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    Re: Devialet 200...my impressions.

    Hi Proff,

    Yes that would be academic if overdriven, i would expect the distortion to be so high one would take notice. Apdoc description is what should be at task here, he did not say "overdriven" he said when listening it was unacceptable to him and from a technical point of view unacceptable to me if said description was accurate in a 15K speaker.


    Apparently this not a good topic, i will retrac my opinion and apologize, audio today is pretty much devoid of "opinion" unless favorable and yet many complain about review ad copies in magazines and the ever revolving door of equipment as everyone keeps quiet about the "nasties" while waiting for the next new extolls from another overnight never seen before Audio reviewer/expert...

    Every objective/subjective, negative opinion/experience is deemed as "hate" ...



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    Re: Devialet 200...my impressions.

    I like people to state opinions. Just like I did. Nothing more nothing less.

    Quote Originally Posted by a.wayne View Post
    Hi Proff,

    Yes that would be academic if overdriven, i would expect the distortion to be so high one would take notice. Apdoc description is what should be at task here, he did not say "overdriven" he said when listening it was unacceptable to him and from a technical point of view unacceptable to me if said description was accurate in a 15K speaker.


    Apparently this not a good topic, i will retrac my opinion and apologize, audio today is pretty much devoid of "opinion" unless favorable and yet many complain about the ad copies for reviews in magazines and the ever revolving door of equipment as everyone keeps quiet about the "nasties" while waiting for the next new extolls from another overnight never seen audio before reviewer/expert...



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    Re: Devialet 200...my impressions.

    Fair enuff,

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    Re: Devialet 200...my impressions.

    We are simply discussing things, exploring different theories. It's all good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a.wayne View Post
    I heard The 400/400 on the new ML's , they were worthy ....
    For the last two weeks I have been playing with the Devialet 400's on Soundlab A1 PX speakers with the last toroidal II upgrade . Too good to be believable ...

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    Re: Devialet 200...my impressions.

    This was my initial impression too, I did not expect them to be good and they were, sounding like nothing in particular, just good music.


    Here Bascom discusses the new PS audio amplifier , various topologies and talks a bit about Devialet, apparently their amp design is not new, except the packaging of electronic and software, of course.

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    Re: Devialet 200...my impressions.

    I'd like to see the Devialet compared with high end SS integrateds like Vitus, Dart, and Ayre.
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    Quote Originally Posted by microstrip View Post
    For the last two weeks I have been playing with the Devialet 400's on Soundlab A1 PX speakers with the last toroidal II upgrade . Too good to be believable ...
    Glad to hear. That's what I've been telling people too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by microstrip View Post
    For the last two weeks I have been playing with the Devialet 400's on Soundlab A1 PX speakers with the last toroidal II upgrade . Too good to be believable ...
    Coming from the man who loves his tubes, this is saying something.
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    Re: Devialet 200...my impressions.

    Quote Originally Posted by KeithR View Post
    I'd like to see the Devialet compared with high end SS integrateds like Vitus, Dart, and Ayre.

    Me too, if Digital only playback , i have faith the Devialet will be competitive .

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    Re: Devialet 200...my impressions.

    Quote Originally Posted by a.wayne View Post
    Me too, if Digital only playback , i have faith the Devialet will be competitive .
    It's phono stage is one its best kept secrets. Forget the whole worry of ADA - it sounds amazing!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    It's phono stage is one its best kept secrets. Forget the whole worry of ADA - it sounds amazing!


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    I wish I knew... You hear me mike?!?!?! Hopefully in the not so distant future (on slow boat from France) I will be able to compare the d400 to the H30. While it's definitely not Vitus it's a pretty strong player in the higher end amp game.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bthomas9 View Post
    I wish I knew... You hear me mike?!?!?! Hopefully in the not so distant future (on slow boat from France) I will be able to compare the d400 to the H30. While it's definitely not Vitus it's a pretty strong player in the higher end amp game.


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    Like a fine French wine, its aging. Devialet 200...my impressions.

    May 11th it arrives on our shores. There is a huge back order. I'll keep you posted each step of the way! You're only days away to your Devialet! Devialet 200...my impressions.Devialet 200...my impressions.


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    Re: Devialet 200...my impressions.

    Secrets out huh


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    Congrats Bryan!!


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    I meant on the devialet in general...since there is a big back order. Especially on the 400 flavor. But yes...I have one in bound thanks to Joe and Mike...BIG THANKS that is. Excited to consolidate...my wife is too. Off to the reef to sell some stuff now


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    Re: Devialet 200...my impressions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    It's phono stage is one its best kept secrets. Forget the whole worry of ADA - it sounds amazing!


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    never had a chance to hear the phono stage, it 's flexability was discussed and shown and it was impressive to say the least , what could/can be downloaded ...

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    Re: Devialet 200...my impressions.

    Quote Originally Posted by bthomas9 View Post
    I meant on the devialet in general...since there is a big back order. Especially on the 400 flavor. But yes...I have one in bound thanks to Joe and Mike...BIG THANKS that is. Excited to consolidate...my wife is too. Off to the reef to sell some stuff now


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    Congrats .....

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    Re: Devialet 200...my impressions.

    Quote Originally Posted by bthomas9 View Post
    I wish I knew... You hear me mike?!?!?! Hopefully in the not so distant future (on slow boat from France) I will be able to compare the d400 to the H30. While it's definitely not Vitus it's a pretty strong player in the higher end amp game.


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    What speakers will you be driving ?
    The Devialet is a great piece but on some speakers it's not a great match. I've tried it on the Salon 2's, as has another member here, and the Hegel H30 was clearly superior.
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    Magico s1's...for now Devialet 200...my impressions.


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    And I have a pair of ls50's too


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    Re: Devialet 200...my impressions.

    Quote Originally Posted by bthomas9 View Post
    Magico s1's...for now Devialet 200...my impressions.


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    Re: Devialet 200...my impressions.

    My guess is that it will be a great match.

    Congrats

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    Magico s1's...for now Devialet 200...my impressions.


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    Re: Devialet 200...my impressions.

    Quote Originally Posted by MDP View Post
    What speakers will you be driving ?
    The Devialet is a great piece but on some speakers it's not a great match. I've tried it on the Salon 2's, as has another member here, and the Hegel H30 was clearly superior.
    IMHO when you refer to a system using a Devialet you have to specify all the small details - any of them can spoil the whole system and change your conclusions. I have found that this amplifier is extremely sensitive to all cables (digital signal, speaker and power) and power conditioners. Matching the speaker with the proper cables is not easy, and if I did not have a Transparent Reference MM2 on hand I would have considered that the Devialet was not a good match to the Wilson Audio Sophia 3's I am trying with the 400's since yesterday. None of the other cables from my large collection was able to recreate the fantastic Rigoletto Giulini performance (DG 1980 analog recording) I was listening to a few minutes ago. When paired with the Metronome Calypso transport, the Devialet managed to recreate from the CD some aspects that I had only previously heard from the LP using top equipment, mainly the airiness and feeling of "being there" of the great voices and explosive but always correct dynamics of the orchestra in the more dramatic parts. The Sophia 3 using SAM have now the body and envelopment of big speakers!

    If I had the Devialet in my system just for a couple of days my opinion would not have been positive at all. But after two weeks tweaking and burning it I have no doubts it is really a great component. First bad news - in my system the 400's are definitively much better than a single 200. I think I am now wanting to try another extra pair to bi-amp the SoundLabs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDP View Post
    What speakers will you be driving ?
    The Devialet is a great piece but on some speakers it's not a great match. I've tried it on the Salon 2's, as has another member here, and the Hegel H30 was clearly superior.
    200 or 400 ...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by microstrip View Post
    IMHO when you refer to a system using a Devialet you have to specify all the small details - any of them can spoil the whole system and change your conclusions. I have found that this amplifier is extremely sensitive to all cables (digital signal, speaker and power) and power conditioners. Matching the speaker with the proper cables is not easy, and if I did not have a Transparent Reference MM2 on hand I would have considered that the Devialet was not a good match to the Wilson Audio Sophia 3's I am trying with the 400's since yesterday. None of the other cables from my large collection was able to recreate the fantastic Rigoletto Giulini performance (DG 1980 analog recording) I was listening to a few minutes ago. When paired with the Metronome Calypso transport, the Devialet managed to recreate from the CD some aspects that I had only previously heard from the LP using top equipment, mainly the airiness and feeling of "being there" of the great voices and explosive but always correct dynamics of the orchestra in the more dramatic parts. The Sophia 3 using SAM have now the body and envelopment of big speakers!

    If I had the Devialet in my system just for a couple of days my opinion would not have been positive at all. But after two weeks tweaking and burning it I have no doubts it is really a great component. First bad news - in my system the 400's are definitively much better than a single 200. I think I am now wanting to try another extra pair to bi-amp the SoundLabs.
    Currently I have all Shunyata cabling and power - cyclops, alpha and anaconda power cords, anaconda speaker, and Python ic's. Once broken in I will try out Kimber select and Nordost against my Shunyata. Current sources are a lumin t1 and VPI traveler. After the cabling gets figured I'm eyeing a move up in the VPI line and possibly the new Aurender.


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    Re: Devialet 200...my impressions.

    Since the Devialets monitor what's going on at the speaker terminals, IMO, it's a mistake to use network speaker cables like Transparent.

    I tried Transparent Reference MM2s and some MIT speaker cables in the same price range with my WA S3s and D400. I returned both.

    A transport with an AES/EBU output is important. I have my PS Audio PWT connected to my D400 with an Audience Au24 SE AES/EBU cable. It sounds great with Redbook CDs, and even better with DVD-R discs like the Reference Recordings HRx 176.4 kHz / 24-bit digital masters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mauidan View Post
    Since the Devialets monitor what's going on at the speaker terminals, IMO, it's a mistake to use network speaker cables like Transparent.

    I tried Transparent Reference MM2s and some MIT speaker cables in the same price range with my WA S3s and D400. I returned both.

    A transport with an AES/EBU output is important. I have my PS Audio PWT connected to my D400 with an Audience Au24 SE AES/EBU cable. It sounds great with Redbook CDs, and even better with DVD-R discs like the Reference Recordings HRx 176.4 kHz / 24-bit digital masters.
    Why is it a mistake? These networks have cut-offs much beyond the audio band. Transparent Audio can tune them specifically for the Devialet electrical characteristics. Anyway, IMHO they sound really great in my system and room!

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    Re: Devialet 200...my impressions.

    Going back to Raidho C-1.1s - the London Grammar 'Hey You' track is the only track I've ever had any problems with. In two years I've not heard port chuffing or anything negative. I was surprised to hear a problem so brought it up (I probably shouldn't have!).

    I've heard a Vitus SIA-025 in place of a Devialet 800 (using the pre-out of the Devialet I seem to recall) and it is superb, but different. A little grainy and not as transparent as the Devialets. Wonderfully musical though. I have to admit I would probably prefer to live with the Devialets as I found them quite neutral whereas the Vitus is a little characterful in comparison. The SIA-025 sure can drive a pair of Sasha 2s though - power is not an issue!

    I've tried a few different Transparent speaker cables (though not higher end ones) with Devialet/Raidho and they weren't a good match, but I think this is more a function of Raidho than Devialet. On the other hand the TA Reference XL digital cable is wonderful used between source and Devialet, or between Devialet units, the best I've heard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rufus McDufus View Post
    Going back to Raidho C-1.1s - the London Grammar 'Hey You' track is the only track I've ever had any problems with. In two years I've not heard port chuffing or anything negative. I was surprised to hear a problem so brought it up (I probably shouldn't have!).

    I've heard a Vitus SIA-025 in place of a Devialet 800 (using the pre-out of the Devialet I seem to recall) and it is superb, but different. A little grainy and not as transparent as the Devialets. Wonderfully musical though. I have to admit I would probably prefer to live with the Devialets as I found them quite neutral whereas the Vitus is a little characterful in comparison. The SIA-025 sure can drive a pair of Sasha 2s though - power is not an issue!

    I've tried a few different Transparent speaker cables (though not higher end ones) with Devialet/Raidho and they weren't a good match, but I think this is more a function of Raidho than Devialet. On the other hand the TA Reference XL digital cable is wonderful used between source and Devialet, or between Devialet units, the best I've heard.
    I will echo your comments . I have never heard any of the things that were being brought up (port chuffing and the like). As numerous owners have told us - setup for Raidhos is key . So is the room and the ancillary equipment . They extract a high cost in every way and I think demand considerable time be spent on care and feeding. But the payoff is astounding and to my ears , sound like nothing else . YMMV.

    As far as cabling is concerned, I am using Ansuz cabling for the Devialet/Raidho system (Mainz8, power cords) and although I was more than a little skeptical, particularly given the Ansuz price points, I have to say the synergy is tremendous and the system has never sounded better . Sonically more cohesive , better image saturation and to my ears , a warmer tonality .

    This is a better conversation , hopefully we are done with the the throw-away comments that do nothing to further the discourse or to improve our understanding.

    Shodhan

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    Raidho and Devialet is a great combination IMHO and my speakers are keepers, until I can afford to upgrade and it would almost certainly be to other Raidhos. I must try Ansuz. I'm still using my Audiovector Avantgarde cables from my previous speakers which probably aren't ideal, but they've better any other cable I've tried so far including up-to-midrange Nordost (which should in theory be an excellent fit too), and they share the same characteristics - i.e 'fast'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rufus McDufus View Post
    (...) On the other hand the TA Reference XL digital cable is wonderful used between source and Devialet, or between Devialet units, the best I've heard.
    Unfortunately yes ... Although it is very expensive, the TA top digital XLR cable operates miracles in my Devialet system. I have been looking for a decent price alternative, but after listening to the Reference XL all others have sounded sounded less "fluid". These comparisons were however carried with the SoundLab A1 PX, not with the Sophia 3.

    Are you using a TA Reference XL RCA digital cable between the two mono Devialet's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rufus McDufus View Post
    Rather disappointingly I'm getting some severe cone breakup with that track and my C-1.1s with a Devialet 200. Strangely it's actually worse with SAM enabled than disabled (at the same volume).

    Sam is attempting to extend the low frequency response, so not surprising....use a foam plug for the ports, (open cell) and try it again ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by microstrip View Post
    Unfortunately yes ... Although it is very expensive, the TA top digital XLR cable operates miracles in my Devialet system. I have been looking for a decent price alternative, but after listening to the Reference XL all others have sounded sounded less "fluid". These comparisons were however carried with the SoundLab A1 PX, not with the Sophia 3.

    Are you using a TA Reference XL RCA digital cable between the two mono Devialet's?
    Micro,

    How is it on the sophia's , I heard them on the Neolith and as you excellent on the ESL 'S ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by a.wayne View Post
    Sam is attempting to extend the low frequency response, so not surprising....use a foam plug for the ports, (open cell) and try it again ..
    Inexplicable why this keeps coming up..... I think it has already been established several posts ago that this is a unique track & behaviour specific to that piece of music in both Rufus' experience & mine. It appears to be an issue with the modulation inherent in the recording on both vinyl and digital . Perhaps as I've already posted previously , a sympathetic resonance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a.wayne View Post
    Sam is attempting to extend the low frequency response, so not surprising....use a foam plug for the ports, (open cell) and try it again ..
    I may try port plugs again but I generally find I don't like them. SAM limits the cone movement to 5mm in the case of C-1.1s so that's why I'm a little surprised it's just as bad, if not worse with SAM enabled for me, particularly as someone earlier in the thread I think mentioned SAM cured the problem.
    It is only one track and I was really playing it as a test rather than for enjoyment! It really is a non-issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobolaclune View Post
    Inexplicable why this keeps coming up..... I think it has already been established several posts ago that this is a unique track & behaviour specific to that piece of music in both Rufus' experience & mine. It appears to be an issue with the modulation inherent in the recording on both vinyl and digital . Perhaps as I've already posted previously , a sympathetic resonance.
    Not sure, the post came up in my email mess and i responded , i was not aware if it was before or after....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rufus McDufus View Post
    I may try port plugs again but I generally find I don't like them. SAM limits the cone movement to 5mm in the case of C-1.1s so that's why I'm a little surprised it's just as bad, if not worse with SAM enabled for me, particularly as someone earlier in the thread I think mentioned SAM cured the problem.
    It is only one track and I was really playing it as a test rather than for enjoyment! It really is a non-issue.
    OK,


    Agree on ported plugs, if you use an open foam plug it may help, I cant see why it would be worse myself on Sam, if the sam software limits the c1.1 to 5mm ...

    whats the linear xmax on that woofer ..?

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    Quote Originally Posted by a.wayne View Post
    Micro,

    How is it on the sophia's , I heard them on the Neolith and as you excellent on the ESL 'S ....
    After some playing the 400's become an excellent match with the Sophia 3 using Transparent Audio speaker cables. Still looking for an adequate set of power cables for this pairing - the Furutech cheaper cable sounded harsh, Quantum Technology sounded balanced but lacking drive, van den Hul The MAINSSTREAM HYBRID was the best in my system, but reinforced the bass, obliging me to switch the SAM off. I did not have the time or the opportunity to optimize the position of the Sophia's, as the Soundlab's are always in place, perhaps moving them would solve this problem.

    All IMHO and in my system!

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    Dragging up the London Grammar 'Hey You' torture track again, I recently changed source from a Cubox to a Melco N1A. The track plays perfectly on my C-1.1s now!

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    Great to hear Rufus. I guess you're not in North America where we apparently can't buy Melco....

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    Wow. That's great!!!!

    I don't understand why a digital source makes such a difference, but I have heard it make a difference many times.



    Quote Originally Posted by Rufus McDufus View Post
    Dragging up the London Grammar 'Hey You' torture track again, I recently changed source from a Cubox to a Melco N1A. The track plays perfectly on my C-1.1s now!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rufus McDufus View Post
    Dragging up the London Grammar 'Hey You' torture track again, I recently changed source from a Cubox to a Melco N1A. The track plays perfectly on my C-1.1s now!
    Can someone share where to find this track? I can not get past "Hey Now" with google. And, If it is "Hey Now" which album/remix? I want to try this torture track.
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    Apologies - it is 'Hey Now'. I have the deluxe edition album, 16/44.1 I think there's a hi-rez version of the album out there too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loop4fun View Post
    Can someone share where to find this track? I can not get past "Hey Now" with google. And, If it is "Hey Now" which album/remix? I want to try this torture track.
    Think it is supposed to be Hey Now


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    I tried this track the other day several times. The original is more my style and recorded the best imo. Of the remixes on Tidal I like the Sasha and Arty remixes the best. Both are quit hot compared to the original. Arty seemed to have to most complex sound but was also the hottest...borderline unlistenable...ymmv


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    Got it. Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    I have over 1000 DSD albums.

    For the same money as the Devialet, I can build a system that will leave it in the dust. I stand by my reviews. Its a nice piece and I personally WOULD own one - but it is not the panacea some in the audio world make it out to be. For one, it's power ratings are a joke. I told Devialet this at RMAF and they know it cannot handle difficult loads and when it does start to lose power, you get a hissing out of one channel and then it cuts out (this occurred repeatedly measured at 93db @ 1 meter on my Raidho D3's).

    I have reviewed the Devialet 170, 400 and 800 on multiple speakers.

    The SAM technology is terrific and although subtle, it was an improvement.

    As I also mentioned, the phonostage is excellent. I was surprised at how good it was.

    But I stand by my review and as the person above asked - DSD from an external DAC via ADA on the Devialet is not ideal.


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    I have a the Devialet D400s. I am in the process of buying D3 V2s. Will the D400s drive the D3s to 100 db levels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    100db peeks? 100db at 1m? 100db at listening position? How far back do you sit? How big is the room?

    It's a very very good pairing.
    Open concept 13.5'x25'+ I would like to be able to rock out with Pink Floyd and Tool when the mood hits me...
    I would expect I will be 9-10 feet from the speakers when I've got them tuned in. Of course, 80% of my listening will be small ensemble jazz at lower volumes. I would consider horns but have never heard one without the horn sound....

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