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    Re: Momentum preamplifier

    Wow

    I guess I never muted the thing. But now that i tried it, That is ridiculous looking.
    Last edited by joeinid; July 26, 2013 at 10:38 AM. Reason: :)
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    Re: Momentum preamplifier

    Do you guys think it was a little half baked? Rushed to market? I remember when the amps came out, people were almost immediately saying "what about a preamp Dan?"

    I think it looks great and probably sounds great.
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    Joe...Dan mentioned this when he did the demo at Fideliis but look hrough the manual as I believe there is a way to defeat that feature.
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    Re: Momentum preamplifier

    Quote Originally Posted by cmalak View Post
    Joe...Dan mentioned this when he did the demo at Fideliis but look hrough the manual as I believe there is a way to defeat that feature.
    Hi Cyril,

    Short of a programming change (if that is even possible), there is no way to defeat this "feature". Besides, there really is NO manual, yet.
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    I don't have a clue if it was rushed per se. I really think that these things are more the fact that Dan is a great engineer and engineers seem like they really don't live in the real world. So a lot of these "good ideas" just don't appeal to the public as well as to him. He has said that he purposely didn't do a 0 position on the tome controls because he wanted +-6 db and only had 12 positions. I'll bet that he thought if the preamp is on mute, it should have some big notice to the user that it's muted. These were decisions that he made and time/money didn't have anything to do with it. It wasn't like they ran out of time to design or fix it.

    As he gets feedback, I'll bet that he will change some things.

    Just my thoughts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    Hi Cyril,

    Short of a programming change (if that is even possible), there is no way to defeat this "feature". Besides, there really is NO manual, yet.
    He mentioned being able to defeat the light on the front dial somehow. Maybe worth a call to ask.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    Hi Cyril,

    Short of a programming change (if that is even possible), there is no way to defeat this "feature". Besides, there really is NO manual, yet.
    My Dealer literally received his direct from D'Agostino this week and no manual was with the unit.
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    With all due respect to DD, I think it is monumentally unforgivable to have equipment at this price point and not have a manual for the preamp. I just went on his website and there isn't even an online version. You know for $32K, a manual is not too much to ask for, is it??
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmalak View Post
    With all due respect to DD, I think it is monumentally unforgivable to have equipment at this price point and not have a manual for the preamp. I just went on his website and there isn't even an online version. You know for $32K, a manual is not too much to ask for, is it??
    +1
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmalak View Post
    With all due respect to DD, I think it is monumentally unforgivable to have equipment at this price point and not have a manual for the preamp. I just went on his website and there isn't even an online version. You know for $32K, a manual is not too much to ask for, is it??
    DD probably expects his dealers making the big margins to be conducting any training required for his pre and amps. For any audiophile, the pre and amp are not difficult to setup or use.

    That said, a manual for the pre and amp would be nice, thanking us for buying at least after all some of us need some reinforcement.

    BTW. Did I say that the volume control on the front of the pre is the BEST I have ever seen or used.
    It sort of makes you want to walk up and use it.
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    Re: Momentum preamplifier

    Quote Originally Posted by XV-1 View Post
    DD probably expects his dealers making the big margins to be conducting any training required for his pre and amps. For any audiophile, the pre and amp are not difficult to setup or use.

    That said, a manual for the pre and amp would be nice, thanking us for buying at least after all some of us need some reinforcement.

    BTW. Did I say that the volume control on the front of the pre is the BEST I have ever seen or used.
    It sort of makes you want to walk up and use it.
    A big +1. I brush my hand across it to lower the volume, instead of using the flashing, neon bright mute "feature". VERY smooth and silky. Love it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XV-1 View Post
    DD probably expects his dealers making the big margins to be conducting any training required for his pre and amps. For any audiophile, the pre and amp are not difficult to setup or use.

    That said, a manual for the pre and amp would be nice, thanking us for buying at least after all some of us need some reinforcement.

    BTW. Did I say that the volume control on the front of the pre is the BEST I have ever seen or used.
    It sort of makes you want to walk up and use it.
    Shane...dealer training or not, the damn thing should come with a manual I do agree though that the volume control is pretty nifty. Checked it out at a demo of the pre, stereo amp and Wilson Alexias about a month ago at a "local" (about an hour away) dealer.
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    Re: Momentum preamplifier

    Too bad the dealers are figuring out the preamp along with us.

    I agree that a manual would be great, and in many ways not having one is sorta inexcusable but -- over the years as an early adopter I have become accustomed to no or bad/wrong info in manuals at first. And this is not just audio related. It happens in many industries etc. Computer software is the worst.

    Joe - does yours when in mute change colors when you change phases?
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    Re: Momentum preamplifier

    Hi Jock

    Yes. The color changes to a bluish purple when the phase is reversed.
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    Re: Momentum preamplifier

    It's so strange.

    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    Hi Jock

    Yes. The color changes to a bluish purple when the phase is reversed.
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    The color changes are done by design obviously to visually inform you when in mute or when phase is inverted. I still believe Dan mentioned a way to defeat all the the lights on the front panel. An email or a call into DD on Monday should be able to clear it all up.
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    Dag gear is so stunning looking. I bet looking at the pre and amp while listening is a big treat.

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    it definitely has a sexy quality to it. it doesn't hurt that it sounds great too.
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    Re: Momentum preamplifier

    The sound certainly makes up for the few quirks.
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    Wow, a blast from the past.
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    In case anyone may be looking for DD Momentum Preamp, I have listed mine for sale, as I'll need to scale down my system due to upcoming relocation. I also have available full 4-unit dCS Vivaldi stack.

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    I have been told the Dag Momentum preamp has switchable voltages - 100, 120, 220 and 240 volts is easily changed. Is this correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by XV-1 View Post
    I have been told the Dag Momentum preamp has switchable voltages - 100, 120, 220 and 240 volts is easily changed. Is this correct?
    I donít believe so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    I donít believe so.
    Externally No, Internally not to my knowledge - for surety send a note off, they are pretty responsive.


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