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    Re: Critical Mass Center Stage 2

    Just curious looking at my signature. Where would you deploy them first. I have my thoughts I just want to see if everyone else agrees. Thank you
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    Re: Critical Mass Center Stage 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Big B View Post
    Just curious looking at my signature. Where would you deploy them first. I have my thoughts I just want to see if everyone else agrees. Thank you
    What’s your DAC? What’s your digital setup?


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    Re: Critical Mass Center Stage 2

    I believe I have dac's on my processor. otherwise no external dac.
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    Wires: Transparent Reference for the front three, the rest Audio Quest FLX/DB 16/4 In wall speaker cable
    Other: Primacoustic -Max trap and Full trap, Vicoustic -Wavewood and Cinema rounds. IsoAcoustic GAIA 1

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    Re: Critical Mass Center Stage 2

    Just experiment! But you need to be patient, 2 weeks minimum under whatever component before you can come to any meaningful assessment.
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    Re: Critical Mass Center Stage 2

    I have a set of Critical Mass footers under my Dac/Streamer, and mono block tube amps. No preamp in the system.
    I was thinking of getting another set to go under my Niagara 7000 power conditioner, but not sure if it would show sound quality improvement there. I tried Stillpoints Ultra SS and was not impressed under the Niagara.
    Can anyone comment if the CM footers would benefit a power conditioner?

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    Re: Critical Mass Center Stage 2

    I still wonder how these actually work, is there some type of magnet that slowly draws and holds vibration, sounds far fetched I know, but something is happening to allow two weeks of rollercoaster results before working.


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    Re: Critical Mass Center Stage 2

    Quote Originally Posted by ozzy View Post
    ..Can anyone comment if the CM footers would benefit a power conditioner?
    You have two sets of CM footers, why not try them for yourself under the power conditioner?
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    Re: Critical Mass Center Stage 2

    Then, I would be removing a set from under the components, thus reducing the effectiveness that is already there.

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    I wonder what would happen if I install these under my listening chair?
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    Re: Critical Mass Center Stage 2

    It would take two weeks to find out.
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    Re: Critical Mass Center Stage 2

    Does one listen by making the system play music or does the system make one listen by playing music? Do we wait for a new component to break in or does a new component wait for us to break in? Taken in the context of quantum physics, anything is possible...
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    Re: Critical Mass Center Stage 2

    Serge,

    Sounds like you are looking for an argument. If you are not willing to try, then your opinion has no merit, just your biased opinion.

    ozzy

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzy View Post
    Serge,

    Sounds like you are looking for an argument. If you are not willing to try, then your opinion has no merit, just your biased opinion.

    ozzy
    Not at all, just injecting a bit of humor. Over the 30 years of being into the hobby, I've experimented with all kinds of isolation devices, wood, metal, resin, stone, combination of materials, up to and including bicycle tires with pressure gauges underneath components to see if a specific isolation strategy would be best... It was fun to experiment. I do not need further convincing... Have fun with it. I have nothing against it, your system, your money, your enjoyment.
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    Re: Critical Mass Center Stage 2

    Well I just received and immediately installed the Critical Mass Footers 2 1.0 version underneath the Niagara 7000. And though I know it will take much time to break in (or adjust), at this moment, I am clearly hearing better separation of the instruments within the soundstage.

    So, though I am expecting things to improve further in the next few weeks with additional settling time, I can honestly conclude that the Audioquest Niagara 7000 does improve considerably with using the Critical Mass footers.

    ozzy

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    Re: Critical Mass Center Stage 2

    Any update on status of how sound improved using them under the power conditioner?
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    Re: Critical Mass Center Stage 2

    Solecky,

    I am very pleased with the sonic results of the CM 2's under my Niagara 7000. Images seem to jump out of my speakers. I have now become used to the sound and don't intend to remove them.

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    Re: Critical Mass Center Stage 2

    Thx!
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    Re: Critical Mass Center Stage 2

    So I am wonderin', my Amps sit on a Grand Prix amp stands, would the critical mass footers work in conjunction with the Grand Prix? Just asking before I go through the exercise of removing them.

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    Re: Critical Mass Center Stage 2

    Quote Originally Posted by ozzy View Post
    So I am wonderin', my Amps sit on a Grand Prix amp stands, would the critical mass footers work in conjunction with the Grand Prix? Just asking before I go through the exercise of removing them.

    ozzy
    Since the Critical Mass Center Stage 2 feet work in conjunction with any Critical Mass stand (or any stand for that matter), yes they would work together. At home, I have Critical Mass Center Stage 2 feet under everything.
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    Re: Critical Mass Center Stage 2

    Mike,
    Thanks!

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    Re: Critical Mass Center Stage 2

    If I understand correctly, the period of two weeks is with the system on and playing music 24/7? So with a system turned on and playing music for 8 hours a day, should we expect a much longer settlement period?
    Is this correct?
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    Re: Critical Mass Center Stage 2

    I wouldn't think so.....I would have thought break-in is on account of load bearing, not playing music as such. Not something to think too much about.
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    Re: Critical Mass Center Stage 2

    These are intriguing footers and CM platforms are of exceptional build quality and results. If I read correctly between the lines of the review and
    some comments here and elsewhere seem to be claiming that footers and racks in general, and CM in specific, are supposed to need
    break-in for up to two (2) weeks.

    Is this an active assertion out there? I'm a huge fan of break-in of cables, speakers, components, wire in wall, outlets, in short most things
    having heard the results over the past couple of decades with no doubt left behind. With respect, I have to admit I have a very hard time
    wrapping my head around any suggestion that a rack or footer or damping plate/etc,...need break-in past the initial few minutes or
    maybe the first hour that the load takes to settle in on the rack or footer.

    I am not trying to start a religious debate here only saying that this one time I have hard time accepting break-in (with racks and footers,
    damping plates and the like) as a multi-day/multi-week concern.

    If anyone has more specifics to share, I'd be open to learning from them on this. Thank you...
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    Re: Critical Mass Center Stage 2

    Tell you what, let's do a swap and see what gives. I send you some CS2's, you send me an Omega Clock-50?
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    Re: Critical Mass Center Stage 2

    Quote Originally Posted by brodricj View Post
    Tell you what, let's do a swap and see what gives. I send you some CS2's, you send me an Omega Clock-50?
    If I was lucky enough to own an Omega Clock-50, it would not leave my house
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    Re: Critical Mass Center Stage 2

    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    Those prices are for each foot. So is your system sucking now? It’s supposed to take at least 10 days before your system stops sucking and you enter the promised land of “immersion.”
    How many sets of these do you have now?
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