Unbelievable attention to detail in every way....Centaur Stereo...

**sharkmouth** · August 9, 2013, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by joeinid

Uh-oh, Mike is in trouble.

Originally Posted by Dewster

Just speaking the truth Joe..

Originally Posted by bzr

ooohhhhh. ARC, Constellation & Soulution......wow!!!!!!!!Bet that'd make them Aida's sing!

Originally Posted by Mike

LALALALA.....I can't hear you!!

too funny

**Dpod4** · August 10, 2013, 02:02 AM

Originally Posted by Mike

Oh brother! I can imagine that is a match made in heaven. Those S5's I heard are still haunting my brain (in a good way). Big, deep, wide soundstage with maybe the best bass I've ever heard.

Do you prefer the Constellation or ARC REF 40 preamp?
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I preferred the ARC ref40 - didn't capture all the subtle details of the Virgo II but it had more texture/meat on the bones and cost less.

**Shadowfax** · August 10, 2013, 08:17 AM

Just curious, what was wrong with the VAC pre in the first photo? What makes the ARC so much better?

**Dpod4** · August 10, 2013, 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by Shadowfax

Just curious, what was wrong with the VAC pre in the first photo? What makes the ARC so much better?

Hegel P30 beat VAC Ren Mkii. Arc ref 40 beat Hegel P30. VAC 400 did not come close to constellation amp with Magicos.

Vac makes great gear but synergy and matching put arc pre amplification and constellation amplification as clear winner in my system.

**johnthomas** · August 15, 2013, 12:01 AM

I was reading this article on Technical Brain and was pleasantly surprised to read that Constellation and Soulution were being compared to them in extremely positive way.

Technical Brain Revisited | The Absolute Sound

**Mike** · August 15, 2013, 07:28 AM

Originally Posted by johnthomas

I was reading this article on Technical Brain and was pleasantly surprised to read that Constellation and Soulution were being compared to them in extremely positive way.

Technical Brain Revisited | The Absolute Sound

I would love to hear Technical Brain amps. Soulution is the best SS I have heard to date. I knew it instantly the moment I first heard them (and truthfully, I wasn't aware - yet - of their lofty praise). The way the amps handled the separation between midrange and tweeter was akin to the precision of a brain surgeon. Then add to that laser like focus and an abundance of musicality and you clearly have a SOTA product.

I am anxious to hear Constellation and D'Agostino.

I will say, I felt Vitus was an outstanding SS amp/preamp. Another great product from Denmark.

There's something about those Danes....

**sharkmouth** · August 15, 2013, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

I would love to hear Technical Brain amps. Soulution is the best SS I have heard to date. I knew it instantly the moment I first heard them (and truthfully, I wasn't aware - yet - of their lofty praise). The way the amps handled the separation between midrange and tweeter was akin to the precision of a brain surgeon. Then add to that laser like focus and an abundance of musicality and you clearly have a SOTA product.

I am anxious to hear Constellation and D'Agostino.

I will say, I felt Vitus was an outstanding SS amp/preamp. Another great product from Denmark.

There's something about those Danes....

Mike exquisite finesse up top with a bottom end that one just has to have.....

**Toga** · September 18, 2013, 10:32 AM

Hi everybody, my first post here.
so excited to read this, tomorrow I will have Centaur Mono delivered for demo. My pre amp is ARC Ref40 too and speakers are also Magico. Previously tried Gryphon Memphisto. Constellation and Boulder coming next.

toga

**joeinid** · September 18, 2013, 01:09 PM

TOGA my friend. Welcome to the forum and Congratulations for the Centaur demo. Please let us know how they sound. I am sure you will love them.

It's great to see you here!

Originally Posted by Toga

Hi everybody, my first post here.
so excited to read this, tomorrow I will have Centaur Mono delivered for demo. My pre amp is ARC Ref40 too and speakers are also Magico. Previously tried Gryphon Memphisto. Constellation and Boulder coming next.

toga

**the professor** · September 18, 2013, 01:26 PM

I'm definitely interested in what you think of them. I assume these are for your Q7s?

**Toga** · September 18, 2013, 01:48 PM

Thanks for welcoming Joe. I'm glad to see you here too. I am still new here and still learning on how to use forum interface. And Yes, Jock, I am looking for something to drive Q7. So far very happy with Moon W7M and ARC Ref75, but the itch continues. Memphisto was great too, anyway Centaur was something I hoped to hear since while I owned Magico Q3. I also need to hear Boulder 2060 too, although 2160 is the one I would go. But tomorrow is Centaur s day !

toga

**Mike** · September 18, 2013, 01:53 PM

Toga - welcome! Try the Vitus amps. I heard them with Q5 and S5 and it was a great synergy.

**Mike** · September 18, 2013, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by Toga

Thanks for welcoming Joe. I'm glad to see you here too. I am still new here and still learning on how to use forum interface. And Yes, Jock, I am looking for something to drive Q7. So far very happy with Moon W7M and ARC Ref75, but the itch continues. Memphisto was great too, anyway Centaur was something I hoped to hear since while I owned Magico Q3. I also need to hear Boulder 2060 too, although 2160 is the one I would go. But tomorrow is Centaur s day !

toga

FWIW - don't buy anything without trying the D'Agostino monos. I'm in a similar boat to you trying top tier amps, and so far, nothing has come close....not even remotely close....to the D'Agostinos. I did enjoy the Vitus stereo amp I heard on the Magico's.

**the professor** · September 18, 2013, 02:01 PM

Have you tried D'Agostino or Soulution? I had real good luck with the D'Agostino with my Magico Q1s - not that they are anything like the Q7s really. And my Magico dealer really liked the Soulution with them.

**MDP** · September 18, 2013, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by Toga

Hi everybody, my first post here.
so excited to read this, tomorrow I will have Centaur Mono delivered for demo. My pre amp is ARC Ref40 too and speakers are also Magico. Previously tried Gryphon Memphisto. Constellation and Boulder coming next.

toga

Welcome Toga !! Glad you found us !!

**iamhifi** · September 18, 2013, 05:44 PM

Toga, nice to see you here, Welcome

**LL21** · September 18, 2013, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by Toga

Thanks for welcoming Joe. I'm glad to see you here too. I am still new here and still learning on how to use forum interface. And Yes, Jock, I am looking for something to drive Q7. So far very happy with Moon W7M and ARC Ref75, but the itch continues. Memphisto was great too, anyway Centaur was something I hoped to hear since while I owned Magico Q3. I also need to hear Boulder 2060 too, although 2160 is the one I would go. But tomorrow is Centaur s day !

toga

Wow...great stuff! What did you think of the Mephisto and 2060? I have heard the 2060, ARC Ref 150/250 and Constellation Centaur as well as the D'Agostino stereo and monos. I have heard great things about Mephisto and the up and coming 2160. I also love the Gryphon Colosseum which I have. Would love your thoughts on Mephisto and how it compared to 2060 and others.

**johnthomas** · September 18, 2013, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by Toga

Thanks for welcoming Joe. I'm glad to see you here too. I am still new here and still learning on how to use forum interface. And Yes, Jock, I am looking for something to drive Q7. So far very happy with Moon W7M and ARC Ref75, but the itch continues. Memphisto was great too, anyway Centaur was something I hoped to hear since while I owned Magico Q3. I also need to hear Boulder 2060 too, although 2160 is the one I would go. But tomorrow is Centaur s day !

toga

Toga Welcome to the Sharks!

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**cmalak** · September 18, 2013, 07:51 PM

Hi TOGA ...welcome to AS

**Toga** · September 19, 2013, 05:38 AM

Wow.. all familiar names here ! so glad. and thanks everyone again for warm welcome.
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**Mike** · September 19, 2013, 07:33 AM

Originally Posted by Toga

Wow.. all familiar names here ! so glad. and thanks everyone again for warm welcome.
DSC_2328_resize.JPGIt gonna be fun tonight !

Now that's what I call power! Should be fun. I will be curious to know your thoughts on the bass slam, punch, etc. with the Constellation.

**MDP** · September 19, 2013, 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by Toga

Wow.. all familiar names here ! so glad. and thanks everyone again for warm welcome.
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Toga, what a fantastic system !!!!!!

**highEndguy** · September 19, 2013, 08:16 AM

BIENVENIDO Toga !!!!
Your friend , Nelson from AudioNirvana

**Toga** · September 19, 2013, 12:14 PM

Friends,
Hello.
I am glad to tell you that, Constellation together with Ref40 and Magico really make music ! Love the sound.
however there is still some class A magic from Gryphon that can only be found or heard from Gryphon.
Both cost the same.. that s the big problem for me now because both sound very very good.
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**johnthomas** · September 19, 2013, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by Toga

Friends,
Hello.
I am glad to tell you that, Constellation together with Ref40 and Magico really make music ! Love the sound.
however there is still some class A magic from Gryphon that can only be found or heard from Gryphon.
Both cost the same.. that s the big problem for me now because both sound very very good.
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How's the built quality between the two?

**socfan12** · September 19, 2013, 07:26 PM

Welcome to AS, Toga!

Great choice gear you have to play with!

**Toga** · September 19, 2013, 11:19 PM

Ok I am quite sure, that final price will be more favourable on Centaur than the Memphisto.
Talking about built quality, there is no contest here. Gryphon won. If you see inside the
external power supply of Virgo II or see inside of Centaur and you will know what I am talking about.
Also, the front panel switch on Centaur felt very flimsy, one push also made front panel ring like a bell.
But if it sounded this good, I don't mind because I will use remote turn on anyway. But there is a problem for
Mono, there is just one input 12V remote turn on , no link to second amp. while ARC Ref40 has one 12V output.
Toga
and thanks again for all the welcomes, now and in the future.

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**Toga** · September 20, 2013, 03:27 AM

I don't surprised why Magico show with Constellation many times. I think both share the same characteristic and compliment to each other very well. Constellation Centaur is highly revealing and confident in the way they burst sound out of Magico. I think the tonality is just right, not to lean like Moon while not as richly saturated lik Memphisto. They walk the middle ground. deep bass and infrasonic not as explosive as Gryphon's, but absolutely not lacking. I think this is very true to source amp. Memphisto smooth things out a lot, a relatively drier sound of Centaur benefited to rock music a lot, it make a more decisive sound and more bite from electric guitar sound that Gryphon lacked. Constellation may have lower noise floor as I hear much better low level trailing and decay. One question is with a little more $$$, how will the new Hercules II Stereo compared to Centaur Mono.
Toga

**socfan12** · September 20, 2013, 06:42 PM

Thanks for the feedback, Toga. Very interesting. I've heard Constellation but very difficult (if not impossible) to hear Gryphon here in the states.

What other amps would you be considering? Dags? Vitus? Other?

**AudioSalon** · September 20, 2013, 08:16 PM

Hi Toga, I sent you a PM with the email of a friend who owns the system below. Perhaps you guys could compare your experiences and gain some insight, Regards John.

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**Toga** · September 20, 2013, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by Toga

Also, the front panel switch on Centaur felt very flimsy, one push also made front panel ring like a bell.

May I correct my statement above, one push at front panel button didn't make front panel to ring like a bell,
actually all cosmetic metal are rather thick and well damped, but the feel and noise when push that long front panel button was cheap.
Sure John, I will respond to your PM.
Allen, I ve tried Accuphase A200, Pass XA160.5, Vitus SS101 so far, was also considered Jeff 855,925, Dan's, but these are not available to audition.

**Dewster** · September 20, 2013, 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by AudioSalon

Hi Toga, I sent you a PM with the email of a friend who owns the system below. Perhaps you guys could compare your experiences and gain some insight, Regards John.

Dr. L is really nice and pleasant guy..

**Toga** · September 21, 2013, 11:21 PM

Hello,
interesting story to tell. I was almost fire the trigger to purchase Gryphon Memphisto due to sweet and friendly sound, more so than Centaur, until yesterday. Constellation dealers came to visit me, they wanted to hear their amp driving a rare Q7, so I let them come to spent some time.
They switched amps twice, both properly warmed up. They mind tricked me. They explain the difference between the two. They said Memphisto
is way too soft and way too rich, they pointed out that Constellation separated instrument better and has truer leading edge. lower level inner details was also much better with Constellation. I agreed with them. I think I have been mind tricked. But now I am leaning toward Centaurs.
But in real world, things is tougher.. 50% of recorded music were not that good in quality, so we will hear much more of that roughness thru Centaur. But for the perfectly recorded ones, Centaur will sure make we hear much more of everything. In this situation I think I will have to back off a bit, return them and listen to old Moon W7M and let see what I feel. It happened once last week that after a day of honeymoon with Memphisto, the next day I felt bored by that sweetness imposed on every disc I played, all discs sound the same.. warm.. rich.. smooth.
with Centaur some time music feel uninteresting.. some time absolutely outstanding. very confusing..
Toga

**Mike** · September 21, 2013, 11:38 PM

Originally Posted by Toga

Hello,
interesting story to tell. I was almost fire the trigger to purchase Gryphon Memphisto due to sweet and friendly sound, more so than Centaur, until yesterday. Constellation dealers came to visit me, they wanted to hear their amp driving a rare Q7, so I let them come to spent some time.
They switched amps twice, both properly warmed up. They mind tricked me. They explain the difference between the two. They said Memphisto
is way too soft and way too rich, they pointed out that Constellation separated instrument better and has truer leading edge. lower level inner details was also much better with Constellation. I agreed with them. I think I have been mind tricked. But now I am leaning toward Centaurs.
But in real world, things is tougher.. 50% of recorded music were not that good in quality, so we will hear much more of that roughness thru Centaur. But for the perfectly recorded ones, Centaur will sure make we hear much more of everything. In this situation I think I will have to back off a bit, return them and listen to old Moon W7M and let see what I feel. It happened once last week that after a day of honeymoon with Memphisto, the next day I felt bored by that sweetness imposed on every disc I played, all discs sound the same.. warm.. rich.. smooth.
with Centaur some time music feel uninteresting.. some time absolutely outstanding. very confusing..
Toga

Toga - this is an interesting an observation regarding poorly recorded music. Would the Centaur limit you to just listening to excellent recordings, rather than all recordings? Some of our favorites are not really well recorded, but we love then none the less.

I would strongly encourage you to try the D'Agostino stereo or mono amps before you make any decision. I really feel the sonic characteristics of the D'Agostino amps would be a perfect balance to the Q7. I have heard the Centaurs on Magico and I would definitely give the D'Agostino amps a listen.

If they aren't the most liquid, musical amps you've ever heard, I would be shocked.

Just my two cents....

**NorthStar** · September 22, 2013, 12:36 AM

Originally Posted by Toga

Wow.. all familiar names here ! so glad. and thanks everyone again for warm welcome.
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This looks like a serious room. ... Toga,
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**Toga** · September 22, 2013, 02:55 AM

Thanks Bob, it s like a lab rather than a proper living room actually.
Mike, unfortunately, D'Agostino amp is not readily available for audition, dealer not stock any, they will order when we pay deposit.. that's too bad. Ok, compare to a car, Memphisto is more like a suspension setting of Merc S-Class, comfy most of the time until you go to race track, that is where a more precise suspension of RS3 GT will give you much better feel of the track surface. Again on rough road, we don't want to get that much feel.. So yes, Constellation will make use hear more rough sound from rough sounding music. but will sound more rewarding with well recorded musics.
Ok on 1 October I expect Boulder 2060 to the living room. more headache I would guess.

**socfan12** · September 22, 2013, 06:36 AM

Wow, interesting dilemma.

Toga, what amp are you currently using?

I would have suggested Rowland as an alternative but you say no demos available. Think Rowland woud be in the middle of those two amps, closer to neutrality, resolving but maybe not to the same extent as the Constellation gear.

Also, what didn't the Pass and Vitus amps do for you in your system? (just trying to understand the sound you are after).

Cheers

**Mike** · September 22, 2013, 09:29 AM

Vitus with Magico was one of the best synergies I've ever heard. Definitely try Vitus if you can.

**LL21** · September 22, 2013, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by Toga

Hello,
interesting story to tell. I was almost fire the trigger to purchase Gryphon Memphisto due to sweet and friendly sound, more so than Centaur, until yesterday. Constellation dealers came to visit me, they wanted to hear their amp driving a rare Q7, so I let them come to spent some time.
They switched amps twice, both properly warmed up. They mind tricked me. They explain the difference between the two. They said Memphisto
is way too soft and way too rich, they pointed out that Constellation separated instrument better and has truer leading edge. lower level inner details was also much better with Constellation. I agreed with them. I think I have been mind tricked. But now I am leaning toward Centaurs.
But in real world, things is tougher.. 50% of recorded music were not that good in quality, so we will hear much more of that roughness thru Centaur. But for the perfectly recorded ones, Centaur will sure make we hear much more of everything. In this situation I think I will have to back off a bit, return them and listen to old Moon W7M and let see what I feel. It happened once last week that after a day of honeymoon with Memphisto, the next day I felt bored by that sweetness imposed on every disc I played, all discs sound the same.. warm.. rich.. smooth.
with Centaur some time music feel uninteresting.. some time absolutely outstanding. very confusing..
Toga

Hi Toga, Both excellent choices. You are a winner either way. Looking at your photo reminded me of something in my own system...you MAY find that after spiking the Q7 which may well produce an even more exacting sound with great precision, snap...that the Mephisto works well. Ultimately, it is about both high quality products and high quality synergy (that work for you and your ears of course). If you get exacting detail from Centaur and the Q7 spikes go on...could it possibly be too much? Gryphon is quite an amp...and you may find that the Q7 brings to a beautiful point the intense sweetness it can provide in treble. Just a thought...having just discovered that my favourite isolation might be Ultra 5s with HRS nimbus/coupers on top of the Ultra 5s (and directly under my CJ)...I have to admit I have just gone thru the 'exceedingly great detail' vs 'is it also nuanced, beautiful that makes music of my own collection of CDs'? I ended up fighting for both...a shoot-out between HRS and Stillpoints ensued...and I ended up with this combination. I had decided nimbus/couper + HRS M3 was less detailed than Ultra 5...but so even across the spectrum and so listenable, that nimbus/coupler + HRS M3 was by far my favorite. So I was about to choose HRS M3...But in the end I had to have that extra detail from Ultra v without the troubles it brought...and ended up so far with this hybrid combination of HRS Nimbus/couplers on top of Ultra 5s...which I am now just letting settle in. Good luck and pls keep us posted!

**Toga** · September 22, 2013, 01:28 PM

Today I felt too stressed. Trying to find the right amp, I must back off and calm down, otherwise it is not a relaxing hobby as it should be. But between razor sharp and musically soft, I think softer sounds will be better option in a long run. I tried Vitus with Q3 I liked the sweetness, but felt top treble not airy. For Pass Labs I felt it work great with XP20 , but lost much power when driven by ARC. Now I returned Centaur to dealer already. Only Grypgon left. My own amp are Moon W7M. I liked their speed, open and also transparent, bass is tight and well controlled. They just a bit lean and cool tone, i want something richer, warmer, but not lost that powerful sound the moon provided. Both Centaur Mono and Memphisto proved very powerful. Centaur ounched hard during movie, explosive power.. That s great.

toga

**Mike** · September 22, 2013, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by Toga

Today I felt too stressed. Trying to find the right amp, I must back off and calm down, otherwise it is a relaxing hobby as it should be. But between razor sharp and musically soft, I think softer sounds will be better option in a long run. I tried Vitus with Q3 I liked the sweetness, but felt top treble not airy. For Pass Labs I felt it work great with XP20 , but lost much power when driven by ARC. Now I returned Centaur to dealer already. Only Grypgon left. My own amp are Moon W7M. I liked their speed, open and also transparent, bass is tight and well controlled. They just a bit lean and cool tone, i want something richer, warmer, but not lost that powerful sound the moon provided. Both Centaur Mono and Memphisto proved very powerful. Centaur ounched hard during movie, explosive power.. That s great.

toga

Sounds exactly like D'Agostino to me,

**the professor** · September 22, 2013, 02:39 PM

I found that when I had the ARC Ref 40 that it was amazing when I used it with the ARC amps but not the best when using SS. Not bad but not the best. And let's face it the Q7s will let you hear every last detail of what you have in front of them.

Originally Posted by Toga

Today I felt too stressed. Trying to find the right amp, I must back off and calm down, otherwise it is a relaxing hobby as it should be. But between razor sharp and musically soft, I think softer sounds will be better option in a long run. I tried Vitus with Q3 I liked the sweetness, but felt top treble not airy. For Pass Labs I felt it work great with XP20 , but lost much power when driven by ARC. Now I returned Centaur to dealer already. Only Grypgon left. My own amp are Moon W7M. I liked their speed, open and also transparent, bass is tight and well controlled. They just a bit lean and cool tone, i want something richer, warmer, but not lost that powerful sound the moon provided. Both Centaur Mono and Memphisto proved very powerful. Centaur ounched hard during movie, explosive power.. That s great.

toga

**Elberoth** · September 22, 2013, 03:11 PM

Toda - did you try to put the Mephisto amp on your FE platforms ? It is too big to fit one, but you place one behind the other, it may fit.

I'm asking, since in my experience, putting stuff on FE platforms vs carpet, almost always makes the sound more airy, layered and with much improved microdynamics.

**Toga** · September 23, 2013, 12:03 AM

Adam, no I didnt try, it s too heavy , dont wanna risk damaging demo unit. But it s on HRS nimbus coupler.

for those with experience with Constellation, do you feel the tonality is somewhat light in the midbass ? Less of a wood, more of a string sound. Something like that.

pity Dan ' s amp is like needle in haystack here.

Toga

**Elberoth** · September 23, 2013, 02:53 AM

Each FE platform can support 120kg.

http://www.finite-elemente.de/en/rac...specifications

**Toga** · September 23, 2013, 04:58 AM

Adam, I meant I didnt want to damage the Memphisto by trying to move it. One scratch means big trouble for me. Thanks for spec.Actually HD10 max weight is 200 KG .
Toga

**Mike** · September 23, 2013, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by Toga

Adam, no I didnt try, it s too heavy , dont wanna risk damaging demo unit. But it s on HRS nimbus coupler.

for those with experience with Constellation, do you feel the tonality is somewhat light in the midbass ? Less of a wood, more of a string sound. Something like that.

pity Dan ' s amp is like needle in haystack here.

Toga

Toga - I found the Constellation lacking in the bass period.

You should email Petra (Dan's wife) and see if she can help you find a demo unit. I will PM you her email address. Given this amount of money, you really need to hear it before you buy anything.

I am on a similar "find the ultimate amp" mission you are. I've auditioned Constellation, Soulution 501, Soulution 710, Audionet Amp/Max, D'Agostino Monos, Bolder, Vitus, Spectral, the big Sim monoblocks, Accuphase and many others.

Mike

**asiufy** · September 23, 2013, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by Toga

Adam, no I didnt try, it s too heavy , dont wanna risk damaging demo unit. But it s on HRS nimbus coupler.

for those with experience with Constellation, do you feel the tonality is somewhat light in the midbass ? Less of a wood, more of a string sound. Something like that.

pity Dan ' s amp is like needle in haystack here.

Toga

Yes, I found the Constellation amp to be weak at the extremes, both HF and LF.
It certainly doesn't sound as powerful as it looks

alexandre

**Mike** · September 23, 2013, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by asiufy

Yes, I found the Constellation amp to be weak at the extremes, both HF and LF.
It certainly doesn't sound as powerful as it looks

alexandre

+1.

**Toga** · September 23, 2013, 09:53 AM

That s why Centaur sounds good with some kinds of music, and so good with some. It certainly too cool and lean in the mid bass for classical. For jazz , I didn t feel this much, regarding power, I think they are powerful, I watched movie with them and stunned by dynamic impact. By the way, a bit embarrassing, but the Gryphon here is Mephisto, not Memphisto as I misunderstood for a year..

toga
PS I think I don t wanna steal the thread, but I believe I have done it, where else shall I continue to discuss further without stealing the Centaur thread?

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