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March 28, 2020, 01:37 AM #1Super Moderator
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Opinions please, CJ ART27A amp vs Kondo Overture integrated?
Just curious if anyone can offer an opinion?
A friend has the Kondo Overture and absolutely loves it. He has similar speakers as me and the 30wpc seems more than enough. Also, the Kondo is dead quiet, something that’s very important to me. I also love the EL34 tubes.
Since I have and do love my GAT2, I’m wondering if the ART27A can rise to the occasion paired with my preamp. It’s approximately 36wpc and looks like it could compete very well. The ART27A uses KT88 in triode mode, I think.Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
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March 28, 2020, 02:33 AM #2Senior Member
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Re: Opinions please, CJ ART27A amp vs Kondo Overture integrated?
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Not sure what that pairing gets you. Too much power and noise for one speaker and not enough power for the other.Main - JVC QL-Y7/Denon DL-301 Mk II, Gold Note PH-10, Jays CDT3 Mk3 , Auralic Aries G2.2, Holo May KTE, Supratek Cabernet, Kinki Studio EX-B7 monoblocks, Verity Audio Otello, (2) Rythmik F12SE, Audio Envy IC, SC & PC's, Triode Wire Lab PC's, Inakustik USB and I2S, (2) Puritan Audio Labs PSM-156 with Groundmaster City, Timbernation rack
Family Room - Oppo UDP-203, Auralic Aries, Aqua La Voce S3, Kinki Studio EX-M1+, Nola KO, (2) Rythmik F-12G, Wireworld SC & IC's, Neotech PC's, SurgeX SA-1810
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March 28, 2020, 02:36 AM #3Super Moderator
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Re: Opinions please, CJ ART27A amp vs Kondo Overture integrated?
I really need to try one to find out. Kondo on Avantgarde is dead quiet I’m told. I’m hoping CJ combo could be too.
Was just a thought. Both options are not cheap.Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
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Re: Opinions please, CJ ART27A amp vs Kondo Overture integrated?
It seems to me that the sticking point is the GAT2 which is a high gain preamp much like the AI Modulus 3 and requires an amp with an input sensitivity north of 1.5 volts to match which the CJ amps and a few others do. Most of the amps that match that criteria have too much power though for the AG's. It is all a tricky situation that I thought the Wooden combo resolved.
Main - JVC QL-Y7/Denon DL-301 Mk II, Gold Note PH-10, Jays CDT3 Mk3 , Auralic Aries G2.2, Holo May KTE, Supratek Cabernet, Kinki Studio EX-B7 monoblocks, Verity Audio Otello, (2) Rythmik F12SE, Audio Envy IC, SC & PC's, Triode Wire Lab PC's, Inakustik USB and I2S, (2) Puritan Audio Labs PSM-156 with Groundmaster City, Timbernation rack
Family Room - Oppo UDP-203, Auralic Aries, Aqua La Voce S3, Kinki Studio EX-M1+, Nola KO, (2) Rythmik F-12G, Wireworld SC & IC's, Neotech PC's, SurgeX SA-1810
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Re: Opinions please, CJ ART27A amp vs Kondo Overture integrated?
The Wooden combo is perfect for Avantgarde, absolutely.
Sometimes a little variety is nice and I’ll be honest, even if there was one perfect system, could I sit still with it? I don’t think so. It’s something that I need to get over.
Now that I have a little extra time on my hands, it’s time for me to break out the Wooden combo on my Avantgarde.
I do think you are right about the gain. I’ve been reassured, even by Jeff F. of CJ that gain of the GAT2/ART27A combo should be fine.Last edited by joeinid; March 28, 2020 at 06:38 AM.
Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
Job INTegrated. Luxman L-595aSE
NAD C 658 streamer.
First Watt SIT-3, Job 250 Monos, NuForce STA200, AkitikA GT-102 amp, ASL Wave monos, Dennis Had 45 monos. Absolute Audio Labs PCF 25 amp (improved First Watt F7 super clone)
Topping D90, RME Audio ADI-2 DAC FS, ModWright Ultimate Sony XA-5400ES.
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March 28, 2020, 06:28 PM #6Member
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Re: Opinions please, CJ ART27A amp vs Kondo Overture integrated?
Hi,
If i was you, i will hurry and go have a listen to Aries cerat genus 845.
Appearently it is better than overture.
My friend owns it, and it is just amazing.
I ordered one after hearing ir, another friend orfered one.
A magnitude better than anything i heard.....
Pm for more details...
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Re: Opinions please, CJ ART27A amp vs Kondo Overture integrated?
I wonder how people heard any of those amp with speakers you have Joe. A matter of fact even heard on any system.
Beside the sound I wonder if you want one piece does it all or separates ?
I do own the Overture for years now and I have no problem with pair them with any of my speakers so far and love the sound.
I heard the Aries is amazing too but I won’t go with 845 again after owning the NAF. Hope I can hear them one day though.
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Re: Opinions please, CJ ART27A amp vs Kondo Overture integrated?
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Still happy with your Linton's? I had mine a little over two weeks and so far very impressed though they only have about 100 hours on them.Main - JVC QL-Y7/Denon DL-301 Mk II, Gold Note PH-10, Jays CDT3 Mk3 , Auralic Aries G2.2, Holo May KTE, Supratek Cabernet, Kinki Studio EX-B7 monoblocks, Verity Audio Otello, (2) Rythmik F12SE, Audio Envy IC, SC & PC's, Triode Wire Lab PC's, Inakustik USB and I2S, (2) Puritan Audio Labs PSM-156 with Groundmaster City, Timbernation rack
Family Room - Oppo UDP-203, Auralic Aries, Aqua La Voce S3, Kinki Studio EX-M1+, Nola KO, (2) Rythmik F-12G, Wireworld SC & IC's, Neotech PC's, SurgeX SA-1810
Greenville, SC- Jays CDT2 Mk 3, Auralic Aries G1, Holo Spring 3 KTE, Supratek Chardonnay, Odyssey Audio Kismet Reference, Rosso Fiorentino Volterra 2, (2) RSL Speedwoofers, iFi Audio Power Station, Wireworld IC's, Inakustik USB and I2s, Triode Wire Lab SC, Triode Wire Lab PC's, Furutech NCF Clear Line, Timbernation rack.
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Re: Opinions please, CJ ART27A amp vs Kondo Overture integrated?
Jack. The Linton is amazing. I just pair them with Kondo Overture and sounds amazing they have this superb wide sound stage and the bass is jaw dropping. What do you pair them with ?
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March 28, 2020, 07:48 PM #10Super Moderator
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Re: Opinions please, CJ ART27A amp vs Kondo Overture integrated?
The Lintons are absolutely giant killers. Amazing value for the money.
ps. I would love an integrated, especially one as awesome as the Kondo.Last edited by joeinid; March 28, 2020 at 07:53 PM.
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First Watt SIT-3, Job 250 Monos, NuForce STA200, AkitikA GT-102 amp, ASL Wave monos, Dennis Had 45 monos. Absolute Audio Labs PCF 25 amp (improved First Watt F7 super clone)
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Re: Opinions please, CJ ART27A amp vs Kondo Overture integrated?
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I just put them into the Family Room system in place of the Nola KO's so they are powered for now with the Audia Flight FL Three S integrated which is slightly on the warmer side of neutral itself. I am going to give them a couple more weeks as they are and then try the Kinki EX-M1 integrated which is in my Office system. That will probably be a good match too as the Kinki was really good with the Verity's when I tried it for a while in the Main system.Main - JVC QL-Y7/Denon DL-301 Mk II, Gold Note PH-10, Jays CDT3 Mk3 , Auralic Aries G2.2, Holo May KTE, Supratek Cabernet, Kinki Studio EX-B7 monoblocks, Verity Audio Otello, (2) Rythmik F12SE, Audio Envy IC, SC & PC's, Triode Wire Lab PC's, Inakustik USB and I2S, (2) Puritan Audio Labs PSM-156 with Groundmaster City, Timbernation rack
Family Room - Oppo UDP-203, Auralic Aries, Aqua La Voce S3, Kinki Studio EX-M1+, Nola KO, (2) Rythmik F-12G, Wireworld SC & IC's, Neotech PC's, SurgeX SA-1810
Greenville, SC- Jays CDT2 Mk 3, Auralic Aries G1, Holo Spring 3 KTE, Supratek Chardonnay, Odyssey Audio Kismet Reference, Rosso Fiorentino Volterra 2, (2) RSL Speedwoofers, iFi Audio Power Station, Wireworld IC's, Inakustik USB and I2s, Triode Wire Lab SC, Triode Wire Lab PC's, Furutech NCF Clear Line, Timbernation rack.
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Re: Opinions please, CJ ART27A amp vs Kondo Overture integrated?
The input impedance of the ART 150 and 300 are 1 mV. The main reason for playing with the input sensitivity as cj explained to me was noise.
Originally Posted by Jack
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Re: Opinions please, CJ ART27A amp vs Kondo Overture integrated?
Thank you Myles, have you received your demo unit?
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First Watt SIT-3, Job 250 Monos, NuForce STA200, AkitikA GT-102 amp, ASL Wave monos, Dennis Had 45 monos. Absolute Audio Labs PCF 25 amp (improved First Watt F7 super clone)
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Re: Opinions please, CJ ART27A amp vs Kondo Overture integrated?
Not yet as the latest Goldmund amplifier and new pre- amplifier came in house for review. Eventually but not sure exactly when given what’s going on in the world today. Originally Posted by joeinid
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Technics RS1506 reel-to-reel with low inductance Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi Audio EVO tapestage, AudioQuest Dragon Zero, Audience FrontRow, Ensemble PC, Skogrand, Kubala-Sosna Realization speaker cable, Ikigai Kangai speaker cable, SRA Craz 3/OHIO 2.3 platforms and Symposium ISIS/Ultra rack/platforms, Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC.
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Re: Opinions please, CJ ART27A amp vs Kondo Overture integrated?
I love Goldmund too! Originally Posted by Myles B. Astor
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Job INTegrated. Luxman L-595aSE
NAD C 658 streamer.
First Watt SIT-3, Job 250 Monos, NuForce STA200, AkitikA GT-102 amp, ASL Wave monos, Dennis Had 45 monos. Absolute Audio Labs PCF 25 amp (improved First Watt F7 super clone)
Topping D90, RME Audio ADI-2 DAC FS, ModWright Ultimate Sony XA-5400ES.
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Re: Opinions please, CJ ART27A amp vs Kondo Overture integrated?
https://youtu.be/dOU8NzQiGyQ Originally Posted by joeinid
Myles B. Astor, Senior Editor, PF, www.positive-feedback.com
Zellaton Plural Evo speakers, Doshi Audio EVO phonostage, VPI Avenger direct-drive turntable/VPI 12-inch gimbal Fatboy/vdH Colibri Master Signature/Triangle Art Apollo cartridges, SAT LM-12 tonearms/Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, VPI 12-inch gimballed Carbon Fiber arm/vdh Black Crimson and Sumiko Songbird, Mutech Hayabusa cartridges
Technics RS1506 reel-to-reel with low inductance Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi Audio EVO tapestage, AudioQuest Dragon Zero, Audience FrontRow, Ensemble PC, Skogrand, Kubala-Sosna Realization speaker cable, Ikigai Kangai speaker cable, SRA Craz 3/OHIO 2.3 platforms and Symposium ISIS/Ultra rack/platforms, Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC.
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Re: Opinions please, CJ ART27A amp vs Kondo Overture integrated?
Sounds great. Originally Posted by Myles B. Astor
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Job INTegrated. Luxman L-595aSE
NAD C 658 streamer.
First Watt SIT-3, Job 250 Monos, NuForce STA200, AkitikA GT-102 amp, ASL Wave monos, Dennis Had 45 monos. Absolute Audio Labs PCF 25 amp (improved First Watt F7 super clone)
Topping D90, RME Audio ADI-2 DAC FS, ModWright Ultimate Sony XA-5400ES.
Burmester 948, McIntosh MCLK12, Kimber Kable, Siltech, Cardas, Avanti Audio cables.
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Re: Opinions please, CJ ART27A amp vs Kondo Overture integrated?
[QUOTE=Paul;298016] I do own the Overture for years now
Hi Paul, I also own the Overture and am very happy with sound, especially after I changed the Tubes to Raytheon (12bH7), Telefunken (6072) and Tung-Sol (EL34). Sound became even more magic and somewhat more substantial after that. I only have one littel "problem" with the Overture - for me the mechanical transformer noise is a somewhat disturbing when listening at very low volume and sitting near the amp. Do you also observe some "buzz noise" coming directly from the main transformer? Thanks in advance for reply. best, Robert
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Re: Opinions please, CJ ART27A amp vs Kondo Overture integrated?
For who´s interested some recordings of my system
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Re: Opinions please, CJ ART27A amp vs Kondo Overture integrated?
I can´t post the link yet. If interested check "tubesoundsbetter" in youtube, that is my system
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