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    What Solid State Drives (SSD) are Audiosharks using in their digital network transports?

    I'm in the process of adding storage to our Aurender N20 digital network transport and was hoping to learn from the experiences of others.

    Aurender "recommends Samsung QVO or EVO series, Western Digital or Seagate internal SSD drives." on the support section of the website. After doing some additional research I was leaning towards the Samsung EVO series.

    Anyone have experience with adding SSD capacity to their digital network transport (whether Aurender or another brand)?

    Any recommendations from Aurender users?

    Thanks in advance for any insight.

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    Re: What Solid State Drives (SSD) are Audiosharks using in their digital network transports?

    I used the Samsung drives.
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    Re: What Solid State Drives (SSD) are Audiosharks using in their digital network transports?

    I use this in my Aurender N20. One year old and no problems.

    SAMSUNG 870 QVO SATA III SSD 1TB 2.5" Internal Solid State Drive.

    I also have two Samsung Portable SSD T7s that work with no problems. One is my external music backup and one is connected to a DVR. The one connected to a DVR gets a lot of use and so far it has worked perfectly.
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    Re: What Solid State Drives (SSD) are Audiosharks using in their digital network transports?

    Quote Originally Posted by mxk116 View Post
    I'm in the process of adding storage to our Aurender N20 digital network transport and was hoping to learn from the experiences of others.

    Aurender "recommends Samsung QVO or EVO series, Western Digital or Seagate internal SSD drives." on the support section of the website. After doing some additional research I was leaning towards the Samsung EVO series.

    Anyone have experience with adding SSD capacity to their digital network transport (whether Aurender or another brand)?

    Any recommendations from Aurender users?

    Thanks in advance for any insight.

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    I have used different brands in the past... but Samsung Electronics is regarded by many as the world leader in SSD technology. They cost a bit more, but are known for high-performance and reliable SSDs for both consumer and enterprise markets. And since Aurender gave you the model/series that they recommend, I would assume that Aurender uses them for testing/development with that product. If I were you, Samsung is what I would buy.

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    Re: What Solid State Drives (SSD) are Audiosharks using in their digital network transports?

    Yes, steer clear of SanDisk. Stick to Samsung. I can confirm data loss on a 2021 2TB SanDisk Extreme. A Samsung Evo 512MB from 2012 is still going strong.

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    Re: What Solid State Drives (SSD) are Audiosharks using in their digital network transports?

    Quote Originally Posted by nicoff View Post
    I have used different brands in the past... but Samsung Electronics is regarded by many as the world leader in SSD technology. They cost a bit more, but are known for high-performance and reliable SSDs for both consumer and enterprise markets. And since Aurender gave you the model/series that they recommend, I would assume that Aurender uses them for testing/development with that product. If I were you, Samsung is what I would buy.
    After more due diligence it was apparent, aside from the price, why most everyone has recommended the EVO over the QVO series. I believe the performance differential is minimal in this application but the reliability of the EVO trumps the slightly higher price AFAIC. Thanks
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    Re: What Solid State Drives (SSD) are Audiosharks using in their digital network transports?

    Quote Originally Posted by M1k3 View Post
    Yes, steer clear of SanDisk. Stick to Samsung. I can confirm data loss on a 2021 2TB SanDisk Extreme. A Samsung Evo 512MB from 2012 is still going strong.
    That is quite a testimonial to the reliability of the Samsung EVO SSD, Thanks
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    Re: What Solid State Drives (SSD) are Audiosharks using in their digital network transports?

    Samsung EVO SSD
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    Re: What Solid State Drives (SSD) are Audiosharks using in their digital network transports?

    Quote Originally Posted by CPP View Post
    Samsung EVO SSD
    Thanks to everyone for responding. I appreciate this community and the members willingness to share insight and experiences. Huge thumbs up

    I'm picking up a 4T Samsung 870 EVO SSD later today. Looking forward to installing in the Aurender N20 tonight and listening to some HiRes files I purchased from HDtracks. It will be interesting to compare the same music on 3 different formats (streaming, CD and HiRes file).

    It will be my maiden voyage with HiRes files in this system and hope to eventually rip all my CDs to SSD. Now that's my idea of downsizing.
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    Re: What Solid State Drives (SSD) are Audiosharks using in their digital network transports?

    Samsung 870 EVO in my Antipodes EX. Before that, a Samsung external SSD with a Bryston BDP-2. No problems experienced with either.
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    Re: What Solid State Drives (SSD) are Audiosharks using in their digital network transports?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mrppv View Post
    Samsung 870 EVO in my Antipodes EX. Before that, a Samsung external SSD with a Bryston BDP-2. No problems experienced with either.
    Thanks for the reply. I like the idea of an external SSD for backups and archiving/recovery. I will look into that once I get my feet wet with the N20's internal drive(s).
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    Re: What Solid State Drives (SSD) are Audiosharks using in their digital network transports?

    Perhaps too late to be of any influence for you, but I've been using the Crucial MX500 in my Aurender. At the time it was considerably less expensive than the Samsung; today that doesn't seem to be the case in the 4Tb size (though it is 20+% cheaper in smaller sizes). 2.5" SATA SSDs all have roughly the same performance - the interface is a bottleneck to what the SSD technology is capable of, so even a poorly implemented 2.5" device will essentially max-out the throughput. And for audio purposes, our bandwidth needs are generally far far less than what even a SATA drive can provide. Remember that your Aurender has a separate caching SSD that's used for actual playback, which makes throughput even less of a consideration. Arguably using an SSD for storage obviates the benefits of the caching SSD , but it won't hurt anything either. I believe Aurender uses Samsung drives for the caching SSD. If prices are roughly equal, I see no reason to choose anything other than the Samsung 870 EVO you've already settled on.
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    Re: What Solid State Drives (SSD) are Audiosharks using in their digital network transports?

    Quote Originally Posted by mxk116 View Post
    Thanks for the reply. I like the idea of an external SSD for backups and archiving/recovery. I will look into that once I get my feet wet with the N20's internal drive(s).
    An external SSD is also useful for transferring files from another machine or to copy CDs to before loading on the Aurender. I wish Aurender offered CD copying capabilities via an external optical drive. When I purchase a new CD I have to use separate machines to copy the CD and then transfer the file to my N20.
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    Re: What Solid State Drives (SSD) are Audiosharks using in their digital network transports?

    TL;DR

    Both Samsung QVO and EVO drives are great drives and are basicly bulletproof.

    *****

    EVO drives offer even longer lifespan than their QVO counterparts*, but are more expensive.

    *the lifespan of an SSD is measured in terabytes written (TBW), which tells you how many terabytes of data you can write to the SSD before it reaches the end of its lifespan and eventually breaks down.

    That said, since all SSDs are write limited (not read limited) and TBW in most server applications is basicly zero (you write sth once or twice and then listen to it over and over again), the TBW doesn't really matter and both drives should be good for years (they are rated at 1.5MHR - Million Hours Reliability - which is sth like 170 years...).

    As a system SSD in a PC I would recommend the EVO over the QVO. However, as a music storage drive - QVO will be just as good.
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    Re: What Solid State Drives (SSD) are Audiosharks using in their digital network transports?

    Quote Originally Posted by 2FlyingYorkies View Post
    Perhaps too late to be of any influence for you, but I've been using the Crucial MX500 in my Aurender. At the time it was considerably less expensive than the Samsung; today that doesn't seem to be the case in the 4Tb size (though it is 20+% cheaper in smaller sizes). 2.5" SATA SSDs all have roughly the same performance - the interface is a bottleneck to what the SSD technology is capable of, so even a poorly implemented 2.5" device will essentially max-out the throughput. And for audio purposes, our bandwidth needs are generally far far less than what even a SATA drive can provide. Remember that your Aurender has a separate caching SSD that's used for actual playback, which makes throughput even less of a consideration. Arguably using an SSD for storage obviates the benefits of the caching SSD , but it won't hurt anything either. I believe Aurender uses Samsung drives for the caching SSD. If prices are roughly equal, I see no reason to choose anything other than the Samsung 870 EVO you've already settled on.
    Last night I installed and mounted the new 4T Samsung 870 EVO SSD to the MUSIC1 slot on the Aurender N20. Once the MUSIC1 SSD was mounted it was a simple task to transfer (copy and paste) from any Mac on our local area network. I was enjoying music in short order.

    As a heads up to those like me that need to muddle through this sort of thing only on occasion while it was a straightforward process, the steps in the "How to" guides provided by Aurender in the support section of the website differed significantly from the actual process using the current Mac OS (I'm using Sonoma 14.1.1) and latest Aurender Conductor app. It's probably an impossible task to update the website for every change to the Mac OS or the Aurender Conductor app (not to mention the Windows, Android,... etc alternatives) but until Aurender makes the instructions more contemporaneous, as long as I took my time, and wasn't slavish to the Aurender "How to" guide, I was able to understand how the process worked and take the necessary steps to connect the proverbial “dots.”

    Thanks for all the input. My only regret is that I did not do this sooner.

    The improvement is SQ varies with the recording but it is apparent to me that the downloaded files provide more low level information making instruments and voices more "complete" for lack of a better word. Leading transients are cleaner and in complex densely arranged recordings (for example the tracks "On Day One" or "Rise Up" on the Pat Metheny Unity Group recording Kin) each instrument remains more coherent and retains its tonal variety and dynamics within the performance. The result is one can concentrate on a single element or take in the entirety of the music in a more effortless manner.

    Put simply the playback is more musical and engaging (again with the caveat that the recording must be up to the task). Very happy with the results.
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    Re: What Solid State Drives (SSD) are Audiosharks using in their digital network transports?

    Quote Originally Posted by mxk116 View Post
    Last night I installed and mounted the new 4T Samsung 870 EVO SSD to the MUSIC1 slot on the Aurender N20. Once the MUSIC1 SSD was mounted it was a simple task to transfer (copy and paste) from any Mac on our local area network. I was enjoying music in short order.

    As a heads up to those like me that need to muddle through this sort of thing only on occasion while it was a straightforward process, the steps in the "How to" guides provided by Aurender in the support section of the website differed significantly from the actual process using the current Mac OS (I'm using Sonoma 14.1.1) and latest Aurender Conductor app. It's probably an impossible task to update the website for every change to the Mac OS or the Aurender Conductor app (not to mention the Windows, Android,... etc alternatives) but until Aurender makes the instructions more contemporaneous, as long as I took my time, and wasn't slavish to the Aurender "How to" guide, I was able to understand how the process worked and take the necessary steps to connect the proverbial “dots.”

    Thanks for all the input. My only regret is that I did not do this sooner.
    Yep, I understand your experience. Something I've found really helpful (and that Aurender should provide) for performing these tasks is a process map.

    Also, not sure that every update to the Mac OS or the Aurender Conductor app would necessitate a new process map; regardless, many folks find that a graphical representation is easier and more effective to follow than a set of written-out instructions.
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    Re: What Solid State Drives (SSD) are Audiosharks using in their digital network transports?

    I just bought a samsung 512gig usb drivee with no thought to would one sound better than the other.
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    I have Antipodes, not Aurender. Samsung drives have been well reported by Antipodes owners with the PM893 the current favorite by Antipodes and owners who have moved to it.

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    I have bought one PM893 once to try ... I couldn't tell the difference.

    It certainly helps Antipodes to create an unique selling point for their products (which may be one of the reasony they use it).

    YMMV.
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    I thought PM893 might be more expensive than 870 EVO, but this seems to be not true for 3.8TB / 4TB at the time of this post. If the prices are similar, PM893 is better on specs.
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    Re: What Solid State Drives (SSD) are Audiosharks using in their digital network transports?

    I uses several Samsung 970 and 870 SSD's and M.2 1TB drives in my music server and 1 as an external portable drive and have had no issues. I also own a couple of PNY SSD's that I put in my laptops. All work great. Been using them for a few years.
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    Re: What Solid State Drives (SSD) are Audiosharks using in their digital network transports?

    My own private nuc runs audiolinux with Roon on a datacenter SSD, the Micron 7450

    Crucial and Samsung are both reliable brands, but for own use I prefer this datacenter SSD instead of consumer market SSD's.
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    Re: What Solid State Drives (SSD) are Audiosharks using in their digital network transports?

    PM893 3.84 TB really has come down in price at Amazon as apparently have some other Samsung drives. In late March of 2021, I paid $430.66 for 3.84 TB EVO 860. My drive data recently became corrupted, most probably due to an electrical outage and subsequent surge event. I was able to reload my music from a backup, but harbored concerns if the drive life itself could have been compromised. I ordered a 3.84 TB PM893 at the end of of November for $348. It is now shown for $198 by a different seller. However, the reviews on this seller are not good for last 12 months and the other seller for new (one I had used with my order and with good reviews) is significantly higher--higher than I paid a month ago from them. I personally have reservations on whether the significantly lower priced seller is correctly representing/listing this sale.

    Regarding sound quality of the PM893 vs the EVO860, I cannot truly give a reliable opinion at this time. I have kept the EVO 860 loaded with music as another backup. My system sounds quite good currently. Certainly, I could shut down and disconnect power off my Antipodes K50 to swap drives again as some form of test, but there would be some time delays in doing so and starting up with new drive. There are also views that shutting down the unit completely with power disconnect like this would require up to several days for the unit to stabilize again for ideal sound, defeating, in my opinion, an accurate sound quality comparison. As noted, I am pleased with my system sound quality with the PM893 installed.

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    Re: What Solid State Drives (SSD) are Audiosharks using in their digital network transports?

    You can buy the SSD cloner device and clone your SSD.

    Once SSD is cloned nad your server opened, it literally takes 5 sec to change the cables to switch between the drive A and B (plus the time to power up and shut down the system, so probably another 20-30s or so).
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