Tidal Troubles

Mike

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Tidal looks more like the red sea….I enjoy using it, let’s hope they start to flourish….

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...treaming-service-Tidal-posts-huge-losses.html

STOCKHOLM -- In the year rap mogul Jay-Z took control of Tidal, the music-streaming service more than doubled its net loss, burning cash at a rapid rate and testing the depth of its owner's pocket.

Aspiro AB, Tidal's Swedish holding company that Jay Z and a group of other musicians bought in early 2015, recorded a net loss of 239 million Swedish kronor ($28 million) last year, according to a legal filing. That compared with a net loss of 88.9 million Swedish kronor in 2014.

Over the same period, revenue rose 30% to 402 million Swedish kronor from 309 million kronor.

The spill of red ink at Aspiro illustrates the challenge the music-streaming service faces in competing with much-larger rivals such as Spotify AB, Apple Inc.'s Apple Music and Google's parent Alphabet Inc. Despite significant marketing efforts, Tidal is stuck between consumers reluctant to pay for tunes they can easily access for free, and record labels, which often are demanding upfront payment for copyright fees.

Spotify, while also recording a net loss in 2015, expanded much faster than Tidal, doubling its revenue to 1.95 billion euros.

Tidal's parent company had net cash of 35.4 million Swedish kronor at the end of 2015, down from 63.5 million kronor a year earlier. That was despite receiving a cash injection of 93.6 million kronor through a rights issue.

The financial statement, which Aspiro filed with Sweden's company-registration office Bolagsverket, describes a company straining to pay its bills. Short-term debt to suppliers shot up to 158 million Swedish kronor last year, from 34.7 million kronor in 2014, according to the document.

Aspiro and Tidal, as well as a spokeswoman for Jay-Z, didn't return calls and messages seeking comment."

In the financial statement, Aspiro said a board assessment had concluded the company lacked funding for 2016 but added, "The board believes the company will be able to secure new financing."

Aspiro's statement implies the company paid nearly 300 million Swedish kronor in royalty fees to record labels last year, or roughly three quarters of revenue.

The company, which has a workforce of 86, said other costs -- a line that would typically include promotion and marketing expenses -- had risen to 218 million Swedish kronor last year, from 77.2 million kronor in 2014.

In June, Tidal said it has expanded its user base to 4.2 million paying subscribers, many of whom it amassed this year with a string of exclusive releases from artists such as Kanye West, Rihanna and Beyoncé, Jay-Z's wife.

However, that still is far behind its main competitors. Apple Music boasts 17 million paying subscribers, while market leader Spotify has 30 million paying subscribers.

Tidal charges $20-a-month for a high-fidelity version of its 40 million-song catalog and $10 a month for download-quality sound.
 
I have a Deezer account too, and the quality is just like Tidal. Music election is great as well.

Hmm... never heard of it. Good to know there is another option out there. I hope Aurender is paying attention to all of this.
 
I stream CD quality tunes from Deezer Elite. They offered a promotion for $15.00 a month for a year to subscribe to the Elite service. That promotion may still be available. They have a good catalog, and the 16/44.1 streaming sounds very good. The good thing about month to month payment is I can drop them any time I wish. So far during the past month I have not spent much time streaming so it may or may not prove to be something I will stay with. It is a great resource for discovering new music.
 
well, last year they only had 1mm subs, so no surprise numbers are bad...now are well past 4. none of these services are exactly in the black right now, but ultimately I bet AAPL buys Tidal.
 
Apples sub base has really high churn fyi - they should be doing MUCH better with their iTunes installed base
 
I have Deezer Elite account as well....had it for a little over 2 years now I guess. But unless something has changed, there are limited ways to use the Elite version in the US (it was ONLY available with use of a Sonos unit).
 
Once you have your password, you can log into Deezer via desktop, iPad, phone app, and I think, all available methods.


I have Deezer Elite account as well....had it for a little over 2 years now I guess. But unless something has changed, there are limited ways to use the Elite version in the US (it was ONLY available with use of a Sonos unit).
 
Hi Keith,

I still think there are some restrictions. I could not create an account unless I did it, and activated it, through my Sonos. It may have changed but I seem to have free reign of it on multiple devices now.

didn't realize Deezer was in the States finally - good news
 
On Deezer's website, there seems to be no mention of the bit rate of their highest subscription plan. It just says "high quality." At the bottom of the main page, clicking on "Elite" takes me to a page that makes it clear that Elite is "only available on your Sonos system." Still no mention of bit rate, though, just "FLAC quality." Clicking on "Devices" shows that neither Aurender or Lumin are supported.
 
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Once I had my password/login, I can login anywhere and it sounds as good (or better? :lol:) as Tidal.

I just logged in to my Deezer account on my desktop at work, no problems!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deezer





On Deezer's website, there seems to be no mention of the bit rate of their highest subscription plan. It just says "high quality." At the bottom of the main page, clicking on "Elite" takes me to a page that makes it clear that Elite is "only available on your Sonos system." Still no mention of bit rate, though, just "FLAC quality." Clicking on "Devices" shows that neither Aurender or Lumin are supported.
 

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Re: Tidal Discount for U.S. Military Veterans.

My buddy just told me that Tidal offers a discount to U.S. military veterans. Details should be on Tidal's website.
 
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