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Re: So, does the introduction of MQA change/alter your plans going forward?
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audiophil
I have to be honest, I was sitting in my office cursing you today. I can't say I got much real work done. That said, I'm very glad that at the end of the day you're getting the best resolution you can, and I hope our discourse helps others find their way. Happy listening!
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Amen....thx again.
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Re: So, does the introduction of MQA change/alter your plans going forward?
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joeinid
Bob,
For me, it's a nice revelation too, for no extra money, until I decide what dac to go with for MQA. Enjoy!
Hi Joe, being basically free if you have a computer and any dac, it's quite amazing. Exciting times, somehow I didn't see this one coming, I think it's going to be a big thing.
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Re: So, does the introduction of MQA change/alter your plans going forward?
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Rhapsody
Ok! From the slow learner here and the spreader of bad information - I got the desktop Tidal app to pay through the msb non mqa dac. It shows 32/88K on the dac on the Iron and Wine.
Through the Aurender all you see is 24/48.
After just a few quick listens to a few tracks off of 3 albums, Iron and Wine, Joni Mitchel and James Taylor the 32/88 coming directly from the Tidal desktop app connected via usb to the msb non-mqa dac vs. the 24/48 same Masters tracks that were favorited over to the Aurender from the desktop, there again is a NOTICEABLE difference.
The 24/48 still seems to have the same sonic signature and is definitely vinyl type sounding to me, but the 32/88 from the desktop app takes it to another level. Maybe 25% better?...which is a lot. It's more fuller sounding and has less of an edge to the sound.
Andy, from the forum is going to bring over his Brooklyn DAC and we are going to see what an MQA dac sounds like now vs. the 32/88 from the computer, which is now the premium MQA sound that I am getting.
Thx Phil and Chris, appreciate it.
Bob...let's do this today. What do you say?
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Re: So, does the introduction of MQA change/alter your plans going forward?
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La Dolce Vita
Bob...let's do this today. What do you say?
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Morning Andy,
I'm already listening to Joni Mitchell from 24/96 MQA via my Macbook air:)
Today is good, just let me know what approximate time. Looking forward to it!!!
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Re: So, does the introduction of MQA change/alter your plans going forward?
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Rhapsody
Morning Andy,
I'm already listening to Joni Mitchell from 24/96 MQA via my Macbook air:)
Today is good, just let me know what approximate time. Looking forward to it!!!
Great to hear! absolutely...will do!
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La Dolce Vita
Great to hear! absolutely...will do!
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Great, looking forward to it.
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Re: So, does the introduction of MQA change/alter your plans going forward?
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wklie
Update: Lumin will now receive 24-bit MQA music (but not decode them) from Tidal favorite, if users put Tidal Masters music as favorite first using the Tidal desktop app. To identify whether MQA music is being streamed from Tidal simply look at the bitdepth from Lumin app or front panel: MQA is 24-bit. Non-MQA lossless is 16-bit. Since Lumin is not decoding MQA yet, Lumin shows MQA music as 24-bit 44.1kHz or 48kHz.
This "play from favorite" method may not generally apply to other manufacturers, as a fix is required.
Hi Peter,
If the 24/48 is actually MQA, then why if the same file/track had been run from the Tidal desktop application directly to a DAC that is at least 24/96 capable and would play at 24/48 or 24/96 on the DAC, why will it only show up and play as 24/48 on the DAC if played via the Lumin as you describe?......thx
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Re: So, does the introduction of MQA change/alter your plans going forward?
A great article from dar this morning on MQA and Tidal. Jeez, if only this had come out yesterday.
Bob - I think your original experience can basically be summed up in this statement:
"Even if you don’t have an MQA DAC and you don’t have software that executes hi-res unfolding, an*uptick in sound quality*might still be*heard, especially on a more resolving hifi system."
Full article here: http://www.digitalaudioreview.net/20...re-are-we-now/
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Re: So, does the introduction of MQA change/alter your plans going forward?
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audiophil
A great article from dar this morning on MQA and Tidal. Jeez, if only this had come out yesterday.
Bob - I think your original experience can basically be summed up in this statement:
"Even if you don’t have an MQA DAC and you don’t have software that executes hi-res unfolding, an*uptick in sound quality*might still be*heard, especially on a more resolving hifi system."
Full article here:
http://www.digitalaudioreview.net/20...re-are-we-now/
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Morning Phil,
At least we didn't kill each other we are still both still breathing:)
What a great article....wish I had read this yesterday morning, but it should be required reading for anyone that might be interested in MQA.
Thanks!!!
I am also going to load Splashtop on my MacAir and control Tidal from my Ipad, which will be nice.
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Re: So, does the introduction of MQA change/alter your plans going forward?
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Rhapsody
...it should be required reading for anyone that might be interested in MQA.
➕💯
🔊 🎧
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Re: So, does the introduction of MQA change/alter your plans going forward?
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Rhapsody
If the 24/48 is actually MQA, then why if the same file/track had been run from the Tidal desktop application directly to a DAC that is at least 24/96 capable and would play at 24/48 or 24/96 on the DAC, why will it only show up and play as 24/48 on the DAC if played via the Lumin as you describe?......thx
Tidal desktop app has the ability to perform a software decode of MQA from 24/48 to become 24/96 and feed it to a directly connected USB DAC, if the desktop app is set to Exclusive mode and MQA Passthrough is unchecked.
In a Lumin setup, Lumin player is controlled by Lumin app on iPad. It plays Tidal natively without requiring the presence of a computer or any Tidal app. Lumin does not have the ability to decode MQA yet. This capability is being considered.
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Re: So, does the introduction of MQA change/alter your plans going forward?
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wklie
Tidal desktop app has the ability to perform a software decode of MQA from 24/48 to become 24/96 and feed it to a directly connected USB DAC, if the desktop app is set to Exclusive mode and MQA Passthrough is unchecked.
In a Lumin setup, Lumin player is controlled by Lumin app on iPad. It plays Tidal natively without requiring the presence of a computer or any Tidal app. Lumin does not have the ability to decode MQA yet. This capability is being considered.
Hi Peter, thank you!
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Back in business- I had never used Splashtop, but easy downloads on the MacAir and the Ipad and now the Ipad controls the MacAir. Now the MacAair can reside up by the DAC and control via Ipad at the listening seat......VERY NICE!
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Re: So, does the introduction of MQA change/alter your plans going forward?
Thank you Mike, made the link its own thread.
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Re: So, does the introduction of MQA change/alter your plans going forward?
Now that was a excellent write-up of the current workings if MQA. Nice post.
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Re: So, does the introduction of MQA change/alter your plans going forward?
Also MQA Decoding Explained from AudioStream.
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Re: So, does the introduction of MQA change/alter your plans going forward?
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audio.bill
This is confusing, because I've been told by multiple sources on the pro side and even saw with my own eyes when I toured recording studios a few summers ago, that they record to 24/96. So, what's this 24/192 stuff? Are we up sampling and then down sampling?
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Re: So, does the introduction of MQA change/alter your plans going forward?
A large part (perhaps most) of Warner's hi-res digital library is analog tape transferred to digital at 24/192; maybe they are just using that as an example.
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Re: So, does the introduction of MQA change/alter your plans going forward?
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Rhapsody
Morning Phil,
At least we didn't kill each other we are still both still breathing:)
What a great article....wish I had read this yesterday morning, but it should be required reading for anyone that might be interested in MQA.
Thanks!!!
I am also going to load Splashtop on my MacAir and control Tidal from my Ipad, which will be nice.
Hey but we are having fun and enjoying music, its not like we are at war over gas prices or medical insurance (yet) :D
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Re: So, does the introduction of MQA change/alter your plans going forward?
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rbbert
A large part (perhaps most) of Warner's hi-res digital library is analog tape transferred to digital at 24/192; maybe they are just using that as an example.
This is my thought as well. Older recordings are being digitized under the watchful eye of the artist/label and offered at whatever bitrate the original digital file was created.
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Re: So, does the introduction of MQA change/alter your plans going forward?
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audiophil
:exciting::celebrate008_2::hi:
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Re: So, does the introduction of MQA change/alter your plans going forward?
Phil,
Andy is bringing over his Mytek DAC today so we can listen to the HW encoded MQA files....at least I was happy for 24 hours with the 24/96.....that will probably be history as were 16/44.1 and 24/48 in just a few days.....traveling at the speed of light, which actually is very amazing!
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Re: So, does the introduction of MQA change/alter your plans going forward?
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Rhapsody
Phil,
Andy is bringing over his Mytek DAC today so we can listen to the HW encoded MQA files....at least I was happy for 24 hours with the 24/96.....that will probably be history as were 16/44.1 and 24/48 in just a few days.....traveling at the speed of light, which actually is very amazing!
Cool, I'm excited to hear your thoughts.
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Re: So, does the introduction of MQA change/alter your plans going forward?
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audiophil
Cool, I'm excited to hear your thoughts.
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Yes, looking forward to it. I tried and tried last night to go back and enjoy the 24/48 tracks and the 24/96 are a different ballgame....no going back.
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Re: So, does the introduction of MQA change/alter your plans going forward?
Bob,
Isn't it amazing that once you (me too) realize how good the Tidal desktop unfolded MQA files sound at 24/96, the lesser resolutions don't sound so good anymore. I am a little flabbergasted at what I am hearing and can not wait until I get/update to a true hardware MQA dac. Life it good!
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Rhapsody
Yes, looking forward to it. I tried and tried last night to go back and enjoy the 24/48 tracks and the 24/96 are a different ballgame....no going back.
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Re: So, does the introduction of MQA change/alter your plans going forward?
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joeinid
Bob,
Isn't it amazing that once you (me too) realize how good the Tidal desktop unfolded MQA files sound at 24/96, the lesser resolutions don't sound so good anymore. I am a little flabbergasted at what I am hearing and can not wait until I get/update to a true hardware MQA dac. Life it good!
I agree Joe, I'm sort of stunned by it all. I'm afraid to to hear the hw decoded version today. Agreed, Life is good!!!
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Where does one find the new MQA Tidal content? I open up "What's New" on Tidal and don't see it there. In the search engine typing in MQA only brings up MQA Music Videos. I opened up a header named Exclusive thinking they might be there....nada....
Thanks....
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Re: So, does the introduction of MQA change/alter your plans going forward?
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MRJAZZ
Where does one find the new MQA Tidal content? I open up "What's New" on Tidal and don't see it there. In the search engine typing in MQA only brings up MQA Music Videos. I opened up a header named Exclusive thinking they might be there....nada....
Thanks....
Make sure you have the latest version of the desktop app installed. On the What's new tab, under albums, you should see a category called Masters. Those are the droids...er albums... you're looking for
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MRJAZZ
Where does one find the new MQA Tidal content? I open up "What's New" on Tidal and don't see it there. In the search engine typing in MQA only brings up MQA Music Videos. I opened up a header named Exclusive thinking they might be there....nada....
Thanks....
Follow audiophil's directions above and make sure you are using the Tidal Ap for your PC or Apple computer and not access the program from a web browser..
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Also got to hear the higher resolution in my system now. Good move by Tidal.
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Re: So, does the introduction of MQA change/alter your plans going forward?
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audiophil
Make sure you have the latest version of the desktop app installed. On the What's new tab, under albums, you should see a category called Masters. Those are the droids...er albums... you're looking for
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Thanks, downloaded latest app and found it. If you have a non MQA Dac I presume under settings/streaming you would select the first option (Sound is controlled by your OSystemn...)
or would you select your Dac?)
Cheers....
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MRJAZZ
Thanks, downloaded latest app and found it. If you have a non MQA Dac I presume under settings/streaming you would select the first option (Sound is controlled by your OSystemn...)
or would you select your Dac?)
Cheers....
Select your DAC and be sure it's set to exclusive mode, etc. Check back a few pages in this thread for detailed instructions and screenshots that I posted.
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Select your DAC and be sure it's set to exclusive mode, etc. Check back a few pages in this thread for detailed instructions and screenshots that I posted.
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Re: So, does the introduction of MQA change/alter your plans going forward?
Andy was nice enough to bring down his Brooklyn DAC today. All I will say is if you have any interest in MQA or more importantly in great sound either do it yourself or get yourself a demo of a MQA DAC playing 24/192 files. Make up your own mind, no one is making anyone do or try MQA. If you don't like it, then it's not for you, no big deal.
24/96 gets you about 75% of the way to 24/192 sonically. I would say that 24/96 is where the real MQA magic starts, 24/192 takes it to another level......and this was on a $2K MQA DAC.
You can play MQA files that you save on the Tidal Desktop from your favorite list on the Aurender/Tidal app. When you play an MQA file from the Aurender to the Brooklyn DAC the magic 24/192 MQA shows up on the display.....this is significant for Aurender users.
Be happy to answer any questions or help anyone trying to figure this out, like I did over the last 24 hours:).....with Phil and Andy's help!
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Re: So, does the introduction of MQA change/alter your plans going forward?
It's unlikely that the change from 24/96 to 24/192 makes any difference if they are analog masters. However, the additional hardware processing to "correct" for the DAC's different time and phase characteristics (compared to the original ADC) certainly could (and should)
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Rhapsody
Andy was nice enough to bring down his Brooklyn DAC today. All I will say is if you have any interest in MQA or more importantly in great sound either do it yourself or get yourself a demo of a MQA DAC playing 24/192 files. Make up your own mind, no one is making anyone do or try MQA. If you don't like it, then it's not for you, no big deal.
24/96 gets you about 75% of the way to 24/192 sonically. I would say that 24/96 is where the real MQA magic starts, 24/192 takes it to another level......and this was on a $2K MQA DAC.
You can play MQA files that you save on the Tidal Desktop from your favorite list on the Aurender/Tidal app. When you play an MQA file from the Aurender to the Brooklyn DAC the magic 24/192 MQA shows up on the display.....this is significant for Aurender users.
Be happy to answer any questions or help anyone trying to figure this out, like I did over the last 24 hours:).....with Phil and Andy's help!
How does the sound from the Brooklyn MQA Dac playing back MQA encoded files from Tidal at 24/192 compare to the sound of your MSB Select Dac playing back the same files but at only 24/96.
Cheers.....
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MRJAZZ
How does the sound from the Brooklyn MQA Dac playing back MQA encoded files from Tidal at 24/192 compare to the sound of your MSB Select Dac playing back the same files but at only 24/96.
Cheers.....
They're both big time sound, even regular Tidal at 16/44.1 through the MSB is lala land for me. Anyway, no we didn't compare the DACs, we just enjoyed the music.....sounds incredible with either DAC.
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joeinid
Thanks Joe.
Cheers.......
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Rhapsody
They're both big time sound, even regular Tidal at 16/44.1 through the MSB is lala land for me. Anyway, no we didn't compare the DACs, we just enjoyed the music.....sounds incredible with either DAC.
I am sure any source sounds fabulous in your system:D
Importantly, was there the same MQA magic or character coming even with the Brookland dac which cost less than the tax paid on your MSB set. This would be meaningful for those jumping into a MQA dac.
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Re: So, does the introduction of MQA change/alter your plans going forward?
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justubes
I am sure any source sounds fabulous in your system:D
Importantly, was there the same MQA magic or character coming even with the Brookland dac which cost less than the tax paid on your MSB set. This would be meaningful for those jumping into a MQA dac.
The Brooklyn DAC sounded really great, it allowed the MQA decoding to come through and it was fun. Now that I have the MQA/USB module for my MSB Select II Dac and did a FW upgrade to the MSB DAC I would compare even regular non MQA regular streaming Tidal through the MSB against, WITH A GOOD RECORDING, against the Brooklyn doing the full MQA decoding.
When MSB sent the new MQA/USB module I didn't realize until afterwards that this module coupled with the FW upgrade significantly upgraded the regular USB performance in the Select.
Listening to a fully HW decoded MQA well recorded track/album through the Select II is a revelation and you really have to hear it to understand how far digital has come. In this incarnation it's come a LOT further than I had ever imagined it would.
At this point I listen to regular 16/44.1 Tidal streaming non MQA interchangeably with the full MQA HW decoded albums. I don't think about if they are MQA'd or not, I just listen to the music that I want to listen to and it all gets to the "magic level" for me through the Select Dac.
