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    Qobuz and Tidal

    Are Qobuz and Tidal still the choice of audiophiles when it comes to music streaming? Or, have Spotify Connect and Amazon HD moved into their territory?

    Part of why I'm asking is I will be purchasing a new NAIM Uniti Atom Headphone Edition amp for my headphones and it presents with several options for streaming that I don't currently have. The changes in streaming have come so fast over the last couple of years that the answer to those questions posed above may have changed. That's why I'm asking them again. So, has anything changed? I'm especially interested in Qobuz, Tidal, Amazon HD and Spotify Connect. I haven't heard as much about Qobuz as a year or two ago. Tidal seems to be coming on strong along with Spotify Connect. Is Qobuz starting to fade from the picture?
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    Re: Qobuz and Tidal

    Don't know where things are heading so it will be interesting to get some feedback from others on this.
    I have both Qobuz and Tidal as I find some titles on one and some on the other. Happy with both though.
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    Re: Qobuz and Tidal

    i have been a qobuz subscriber ever since it became available in the US which was about about 2 years ago. over that time the only two notable things to have changed are:

    1) their library has filled out significantly -- now it is pretty rare that something i am interested in not available. also, new releases for pretty much everything show up on the artist's release date.

    2) hi-res (resolutions over 16/44) files are available for pretty much every title for which they have been released (i.e. a title where a hi-res version is listed in the discogs database).

    absolutely no performance / availability issues ...and, i like that qobuz offers subscribers the ability to purchase files in any available resolution.

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    Re: Qobuz and Tidal

    Amazon HD is not a choice as Naim is not on their list of preferred providers which has not changed at all. You would have to use Airplay. Spotify is the best for discovery but wait until it goes to at least FLAC resolution for it to be your primary choice. I have subscribed to Tidal and Qobuz for five years and almost always use Qobuz as it just sounds better. I keep the Tidal active for now as our daughter uses it. Tidal is on another new ownership so who knows where it will ultimately end. Depending on how it actually sounds and performs higher resolution Spotify will be hard to ignore with competitive prices.
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    Re: Qobuz and Tidal

    Qobuz by a mile.

    I had Tidal. Every time I turned around they were advertising and suggesting rap. Unfortunately, they don’t pay attention to people’s ages or take a real profile of what their subscribers may really enjoy.

    I dropped Tidal and went to Qobuz. The sound quality IMO is better than Tidal across the board. Tidal has a couple of songs that sound a little better because of MQA, but across the board Qobuz is the best - IMO. Couldn’t be happier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluegrassphile View Post
    Are Qobuz and Tidal still the choice of audiophiles when it comes to music streaming? Or, have Spotify Connect and Amazon HD moved into their territory?

    Part of why I'm asking is I will be purchasing a new NAIM Uniti Atom Headphone Edition amp for my headphones and it presents with several options for streaming that I don't currently have. The changes in streaming have come so fast over the last couple of years that the answer to those questions posed above may have changed. That's why I'm asking them again. So, has anything changed? I'm especially interested in Qobuz, Tidal, Amazon HD and Spotify Connect. I haven't heard as much about Qobuz as a year or two ago. Tidal seems to be coming on strong along with Spotify Connect. Is Qobuz starting to fade from the picture?
    There is a lot of change in the works in music streaming. Apple now offers high-end audio. Spotify announced a couple of months ago that it will start offering lossless CD-quality streaming soon. Amazon is already offering high definition but it only works with a small number of brands.

    I used to subscribe to Tidal. I switched to Qobuz because I was not interested or needed MQA plus Qobuz was cheaper. Not interested in Tidal anymore

    I have a lifetime subscription to Roon. I also subscribe to Qobuz and Spotify now. Qobuz works with Roon but Spotify does not. Once Spotify offers lossless CD quality streaming I might reconsider if I want to keep Qobuz or not. I would still keep Roon for my local library.

    The NAIM Uniti Atom Headphone Edition amp that you are looking at seems to work with Roon, Tidal, Qobuz, Spotify, and Apple (AirPlay). I do not think that it works with Amazon HD unless you add some additional equipment. It seems that you can listen to Tidal, Qobuz, Spotify or Apple (AirPlay) separately and would only require a subscription to whichever service(s) you choose. Roon allows you to listen to your own library plus Tidal and Qobuz (requires separate subscriptions to each).

    For sharing music with others and finding new music, Spotify wins by 100 miles. No contest.

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    Re: Qobuz and Tidal

    We had both Tidal and Qobuz and we dropped Tidal because Qobuz sounded so much better. It was and is clear. Seems they are doing something with algorithms that is quite secret.

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    Re: Qobuz and Tidal

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    Re: Qobuz and Tidal

    I was pretty late to the party, signing up for Qobuz in October 2021. Really glad I did. Now when I read about some music I'm curious to hear, I just find it on Qobuz and there we go. No more handwringing about 'should I buy it' or trying to find a listenable version for free. And unlike Roon I can use it wherever I am.

    It doesn't replace Roon of course and in fact I use Roon to access Qobuz to listen at home. They mesh very well and I can add Qobuz music to my Roon library, which is very convenient.

    And I think Qobuz sounds very good. (I tried lossless Tidal a couple of years ago and thought it did not sound nearly as good as same resolution files streamed from my home server.)
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    Re: Qobuz and Tidal

    Qobuz is really good. The sound quality is very good.
    Probably the closest to local HD file playback on my setup.

    Tidal is noticeably inferior in sound quality. Not even close.




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    Re: Qobuz and Tidal

    I disagree with part of the article (one sentence) that stated that Tidal edged out Qobuz. As Nikhil above stated, "Tidal is noticeably inferior in sound quality. Not even close."
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    Re: Qobuz and Tidal

    Quote Originally Posted by bluegrassphile View Post
    Is Qobuz starting to fade from the picture?
    Not hardly. Far from it.

    Tidal on the other hand might just be fading away as subscribers are constantly dropping it left and right, me being one of them. As others have mentioned, Qobuz sounds tons better, caters to the subscribers' profiles better, and certainly doesn't push rap on everyone.

    Heck, I just read that Tidal just cut their "CD quality" pricing in half to try and keep and/or attract more subscribers. Just the type of strategy for a hurting company.
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    Re: Qobuz and Tidal

    I had Tidal, before Qobuz was available in the US. The pushing of rap, and frankly the lewd album covers, we’re not appropriate for me.

    Qobuz is great now, and like others, it’s rare that something my wife, or son, want to hear are not available. They listen to a lot of the newer stuff.

    Roon + Qobuz are still doing it for me, in my room.

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    Re: Qobuz and Tidal

    I had Tidal, then tried Qobuz when they first started in the US. I was dissatisfied with Qobuz library at that time (too limited) and remained with Tidal for maybe another year.

    I tried Qobuz again and by then their library was comparable to Tidal’s or better.
    I quit Tidal and I am very happy with Qobuz.

    I don’t know what folks are talking about Tidal and rap music. Perhaps that’s an issue for folks that use only Tidal’s app.

    I connect to Tidal and Qobuz through Roon. That means that I only see whatever I am looking for and none of them can push any music on me.

    Those folks complaining about Tidal should look into using it in combination with Roon.

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    What about deezer in a comparison

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    Because Deezer has only cd quality at max.
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    Re: Qobuz and Tidal

    Thanks everyone for the info-- the consensus seems to favor Qobuz.
    I have Tidal now, and I'm not dissatisfied with it-- but then; I haven't tried anything else. Based on the reports here; I think I will give Qobuz a listen!

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    It's no risk, as Qobuz offers free trials.
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    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alkyogre View Post
    Because Deezer has only cd quality at max.
    &... that's not what I asked.... I have redbook quality cd's in my collection that are absolutely as good as any HD files I have listened to, care to rephrase with hindsight?

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    Re: Qobuz and Tidal

    I just did a year subscription to Qobuz to add to what Tidal offers. Comparing it seems Qobuz sounds more “smooth” than Tidal. Anyone else hear a difference?
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    Yes. Without any doubts Qobuz sounds better than Tidal.
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    Re: Qobuz and Tidal

    I like Qobuz a lot, although I don't have any experience with Tidal. Occasionally I can't find something like an original, non-re-mastered version of something but that's a minor quibble.

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    Re: Qobuz and Tidal

    I compared them both and stayed with Tidal. Tidal and MQA sounds better to me,
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    Re: Qobuz and Tidal

    I have yet to try Qobuz, my friend had them both and it's interesting he said the same thing as you when trying to describe the difference.

    Qobuz makes more sense for me as I don't get the full MQA unfold but I listen to some obscure Classic Rock, and Metal, I get the impression the Qobuz library may be lacking in those areas. I wanted to try Qobuz but seem to have issues with the sign up. First it says my date of birth is wrong, so I tried again and the 2nd attempt didn't go through because it detected the first attempt so I just blew it off. I'm not one that likes change anyway, LOL

    Quote Originally Posted by nc42acc View Post
    I just did a year subscription to Qobuz to add to what Tidal offers. Comparing it seems Qobuz sounds more “smooth” than Tidal. Anyone else hear a difference?
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    Re: Qobuz and Tidal

    Heck get them both, its cheaper than a couple tankfuls of gas each month . And which ever one you end up liking in your own system , not others, dump the one you don't like. Simple ! Me Qobuz all the way for quality. The wife likes Tidal.
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    Re: Qobuz and Tidal

    To make it more interesting for the ladies: Qobuz should use female colors and textures for the best compromise
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    Re: Qobuz and Tidal

    could use help with free trial of Tidal in Roon-nothing seems to play after I selected it as source and under setting no streaming option seems active. thanks for any help
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    Re: Qobuz and Tidal

    Quote Originally Posted by veindoc View Post
    could use help with free trial of Tidal in Roon-nothing seems to play after I selected it as source and under setting no streaming option seems active. thanks for any help
    After login, login to tidal settings —> services
    After that go to settings —> audio and select your output (streamer, or dac)
    By the way, take care that the dac is on, else you don’t see anything at the audio settings

    Then you can search for your track and play

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    Re: Qobuz and Tidal

    did that but now it says too many failures and never plays
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    Quote Originally Posted by veindoc View Post
    did that but now it says too many failures and never plays
    It can take a bit of powering on and off your devices in sequence to get Roon and Tidal up and running after any changes within your set-up.

    A few questions.
    Are you hardwired or trying it with wi-fi?
    What type of wireless router are you using?
    Where are you running Roon?
    Are you connected to your DAC via ethernet or USB?
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    Re: Qobuz and Tidal

    I subbed Tidal for quite a while and could never get to a point I enjoyed using it, and I don't like it's price/value. Based on this thread I'm gonna try our Quboz now!

    I also have a Roon lifetime sub but can't entirely figure out how to fit it into my overall use pattern. The Lumin software already seems to do everything I need - local library on the L1 and NAS, check, Tidal/Spotify/Quboz integration, check, Airplay for Amazon HD, check. What would Roon bring to the table? Just not clear to me.
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    Re: Qobuz and Tidal

    Quote Originally Posted by still-one View Post
    It can take a bit of powering on and off your devices in sequence to get Roon and Tidal up and running after any changes within your set-up.

    A few questions.
    Are you hardwired or trying it with wi-fi?
    What type of wireless router are you using?
    Where are you running Roon?
    Are you connected to your DAC via ethernet or USB?
    hardwire, ethernet to my MSB dac, roon in my small green computer server, router is netgear I believe(recent super fast)
    thanks but I will bail on Tidal trial and go to Qoboz as I heard it plays well with Roon
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    Re: Qobuz and Tidal

    You should be able to get a rock solid connection with either Qobuz or Tidal. My set-up is similar to yours save for you using MSB and me using dCS. When I auditioned MSB in my set-up I just moved my Ethernet from my up-sampler to the MSB's port. No problems with Roon finding and immediately connecting and locking to Roon and Tidal.
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    Re: Qobuz and Tidal

    I already like Qobuz more than Tidal. I'll keep Amazon HD for the phone, the car etc., at least for now. It's cheap, easy to use, has most songs I look for and plays on Android Auto (not sure if Qobuz does).

    Frankly I came to hate Tidal for a variety of reasons. Mostly the interface just plain sucked, secondly it was much more hit or miss as far as song library, and as others have stated Tidal seemed to be pushing certain types of music very hard... way too hard, and it grew irritating.

    Qobuz has a nice interface and great SQ so far; glad I did it.
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    Re: Qobuz and Tidal

    Quote Originally Posted by jmusica View Post
    I also have a Roon lifetime sub but can't entirely figure out how to fit it into my overall use pattern. The Lumin software already seems to do everything I need - local library on the L1 and NAS, check, Tidal/Spotify/Quboz integration, check, Airplay for Amazon HD, check. What would Roon bring to the table? Just not clear to me.
    The main thing might just be getting search results for both your local library and the streaming services at the same time, based on any matching field, whereas with the Lumin app it only searches the source and field of the "tab" you currently have selected.
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