Lumin Network Audiophile Music Player

**the professor** · January 24, 2014, 03:20 PM

I definitely don't understand it exactly, but when iTunes goes out and gets artwork, it doesn't put that artwork embedded in the music file or even in it's folder but it sets up a different index all together. So most programs other than iTunes never sees the artwork.

Originally Posted by rrwmd

Thanks for the suggestion Jock!

Sounds like just what I need, as I've got all the artwork in my iTunes library and know what to do on iTunes do get missing artwork into iTunes. It's just getting MinimServer to find/display it.

**rrwmd** · January 24, 2014, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by the professor

I used a program called Image Fetch to get the artwork from iTunes and put it in a folder.jpg file in the directory with the album. It worked pretty easily. Then the UPNP server (miniserver) will find the artwork.

OK. I downloaded Image Fetch but it won't scan my library on the Synology NAS (I have both music files and metadata in the NAS). It looks like it will only scan a library on a local hard drive. And indeed when I download Image Fetch to another computer with a different iTunes library than my main one it will scan it and find all the album art files.

So it appears that Image Fetch needs to be installed on the Synology. The only way I'ver ever downloaded a program to the Synology is by using the "Package Center" program on it. Tried to upload it from my MacBook but it says "Invalid File Format"

Suggestions??

**the professor** · January 24, 2014, 05:04 PM

Not really.

In my situation, I had my music collection on my main computer in iTunes and also on my NAS, so I ran it on my computer and then recopied it to my NAS.

Sorry.

**rrwmd** · January 24, 2014, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by the professor

Not really.

In my situation, I had my music collection on my main computer in iTunes and also on my NAS, so I ran it on my computer and then recopied it to my NAS.

Sorry.

OK, thanks anyway. I'll keep investigating. I'm sure there's a solution...

**MRJAZZ** · January 24, 2014, 08:37 PM

Has anyone had any experience with the LUMIN, as just a DAC, being fed by a good transport, for playing back just REDBK? (IE: Not using it to stream music from the internet, etc. )

**joeinid** · January 24, 2014, 10:54 PM

Welcome to the forum MRJAZZ!

Thank you for joining.

**Mike** · January 24, 2014, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by MRJAZZ

Has anyone had any experience with the LUMIN, as just a DAC, being fed by a good transport, for playing back just REDBK? (IE: Not using it to stream music from the internet, etc. )

MRJAZZ - welcome to audioshark. I don't think I understand your question. The main feature of the Lumin isn't to stream music from internet - it's to receive packets of data via Ethernet from your NAS. And, the Lumin doesn't have any digital or analog inputs. It does have a BNC output to go to a external DAC - but I'm not sure why you would want to. The DAC chipset in the Lumin is world class IMO.

**sharkmouth** · January 25, 2014, 04:02 AM

Mike, I think what MRJAZZ is saying is that he wants to add the Lumin to his system but the CD player he has is very pleasing to him as well, or that he would prefer not to part with it. Can he run it through the Lumin & is it worth it. MRJAZZ, what redbook player are you talking about??

**Mike** · January 25, 2014, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by sharkmouth

Mike, I think what MRJAZZ is saying is that he wants to add the Lumin to his system but the CD player he has is very pleasing to him as well, or that he would prefer not to part with it. Can he run it through the Lumin & is it worth it. MRJAZZ, what redbook player are you talking about??

The answer is no, he cannot. I have to wonder why you would (other than to use the Lumin DAC).

To me, it's sort of like asking if you can put your bike inside your car and ride it. Rip those darn CD's and stream baby stream! You'll wonder why you didn't do it sooner.

**rrwmd** · January 31, 2014, 01:35 PM

I'm in!

Just ordered a Lumin. Got mine in black, so I probably won't get it for a couple weeks.

**the professor** · January 31, 2014, 01:38 PM

Congrats

I'll be interested how the black looks. Please post some pics.

Originally Posted by rrwmd

I'm in!

Just ordered a Lumin. Got mine in black, so I probably won't get it for a couple weeks.

**rrwmd** · January 31, 2014, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by rrwmd

OK...I'm strongly considering a Lumin. But first I need to get a handle on the whole NAS/Minimserver/Control Point issue.

I've got a Synology NAS that's been feeding my dedicated MacMini. I recently managed to get Minimserver and Java installed on it (without even getting my IT guy's help!) and I've been playing around with a Sonore Rendu streamer (ethernet-->SPDIF) using the PlugPay iPad app as the control point.

Only about a third of my album artwork shows up in PlugPlayer. I downloaded the Lumin app just to see how it looks--much better than PulgPlayer. Scanned my library and same thing--lots of artwork missing.

From what I gather these programs first look for artwork in JPEG format embedded within the audio file. Then it's kind of murky to me as to what the program does next to try to find artwork.

Part of what's keeping me with iTunes and away from a server/renderer is this whole issue with music files and album art. I'm basically lazy when it comes to managing my files/metadata and don't want to have to spend time messing around with them.

So the question is...how can I (EASILY!) get things in order on my NAS with MinimServer so everything shows up as it should using these control point programs? What needs to be done when ripping/downloading new music?

BTW...I solved this issue with album art. Found a "Doug's AppleScript" that works through iTunes to create a JPG file of the album art in the music track's file -- in my case, located on my Synology NAS, where I also have Minimserver installed. So now all of my artwork shows up on the Lumin iPad app.

Here is the link to the script for anybody interested:
Doug's AppleScripts for iTunes ? Save Album Art as folder.jpg v2.5

**mdkim** · January 31, 2014, 01:45 PM

Does Minimserver recognize PDFs or just JPEGs for album art and/or liner notes?

**the professor** · January 31, 2014, 01:51 PM

Perfect

Thats great

Originally Posted by rrwmd

BTW...I solved this issue with album art. Found a "Doug's AppleScript" that works through iTunes to create a JPG file of the album art in the music track's file -- in my case, located on my Synology NAS, where I also have Minimserver installed. So now all of my artwork shows up on the Lumin iPad app.

Here is the link to the script for anybody interested:
Doug's AppleScripts for iTunes ? Save Album Art as folder.jpg v2.5

**the professor** · January 31, 2014, 01:53 PM

According to it's manual. It supports JPG and PNG files for cover art.

Originally Posted by mdkim

Does Minimserver recognize PDFs or just JPEGs for album art and/or liner notes?

**rrwmd** · January 31, 2014, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by the professor

Congrats

I'll be interested how the black looks. Please post some pics.

Will do!

**MDP** · January 31, 2014, 01:56 PM

Congrats Rance !! I'll bet you're going to love it !!

**mdkim** · January 31, 2014, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by the professor

According to it's manual. It supports JPG and PNG files for cover art.

Thanks Jock.

**rrwmd** · January 31, 2014, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by MDP

Congrats Rance !! I'll bet you're going to love it !!

Thanks. I'll certainly report back. Curious to see how it compares to my other main front ends: dedicated Mac mini-->Berkeley alpha USB-->Berkeley alpha DAC and also a Sonore Rendu feeding the Berkeley via SPDIF.

As others have mentioned, having a "one box" unit as elegant as this and where the designers have tried to optimize then entire ethernet-->DAC chain for maximum performance has it's appeal.

And I really like the Lumin app/interface.

**socfan12** · January 31, 2014, 05:34 PM

Congrats, Rance! I really like the Lumin app as well!

**Cavl** · February 1, 2014, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by Mike

The answer is no, he cannot. I have to wonder why you would (other than to use the Lumin DAC).

To me, it's sort of like asking if you can put your bike inside your car and ride it. Rip those darn CD's and stream baby stream! You'll wonder why you didn't do it sooner.

I agree completely, Mike. After hearing an appropriately ripped cd through a good streamer like the Linn or Lumin (I want to hear it badly), I can't imagine going back.

**Arcade** · February 9, 2014, 05:27 PM

The Lumin's a cute little player

**Zero** · February 9, 2014, 07:23 PM

To be entirely honest, I've yet to hear a sub-$10k streaming device that could go toe to toe with my dedicated CD-player (the AMR CD-777). That said, I'd love to check out the Lumin. The unit has certainly earned it's fair share of bad-ass credentials in these parts.

**Arcade** · February 9, 2014, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by Zero

To be entirely honest, I've yet to hear a sub-$10k streaming device that could go toe to toe with my dedicated CD-player (the AMR CD-777). That said, I'd love to check out the Lumin. The unit has certainly earned it's fair share of bad-ass credentials in these parts.

You should try an Aurender into the AMR (if it has the input). It's the first digital transport I've used that betters my Esoteric K-01 (when connected to the K-01).

**Heckler75** · February 16, 2014, 01:53 AM

The Lumin (model-T1) new release, is this basically, a small scaled down version,of the original "A1" model. (should sound the same as A1 ?) just wanted know (looking to grab one)

is there a group buy, on the original A1 model.

Cheers

**joeinid** · February 16, 2014, 02:18 PM

Welcome to the forum Heckler75. Thank you for joining.

We'll have find out more about the new models, but my understanding is that it is a scaled down version with the same inside. Hopefully Mike will chime in soon and confirm. My Lumin A1 is absolutely superb to my ear. I am blown away.

**Heckler75** · February 16, 2014, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by joeinid

Welcome to the forum Heckler75. Thank you for joining.

We'll have find out more about the new models, but my understanding is that it is a scaled down version with the same inside. Hopefully Mike will chime in soon and confirm. My Lumin A1 is absolutely superb to my ear. I am blown away.

Thanks, for the welcome...

was in the market, for a streamer/dac, the only other comparison, was the naim (ndx/nd5 etc..) have you anyone, compare to the Naim streamers. i was told, these are much better than the naim streamers.

Cheers

**the professor** · February 16, 2014, 03:28 PM

The Lumin A1 is definitely better than the Naim NDX.

I have a Naim NDS that I'm selling that was replaced by the Lumin.

In my system the Lunin worked better for me.

Originally Posted by Heckler75

Thanks, for the welcome...

was in the market, for a streamer/dac, the only other comparison, was the naim (ndx/nd5 etc..) have you anyone, compare to the Naim streamers. i was told, these are much better than the naim streamers.

Cheers

**Heckler75** · February 16, 2014, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by the professor

The Lumin A1 is definitely better than the Naim NDX.

I have a Naim NDS that I'm selling that was replaced by the Lumin.

In my system the Lunin worked better for me.

Wow, even better, then the NDS, it must be really a nice unit.will have to demo a lumin, and compare to a naim streamer.

how would you, describe the difference, between lumin/naim. better soundstage/more open/midrange etc...

thanks

**the professor** · February 16, 2014, 03:49 PM

A little more detail but just as musical. The Lumin is in the middle between the Linn Klimax and NDS.

Bottom line - Naim works best with Naim systems. They do so many things to maximize the synergy in their own systems, they just don't play as well with other manufacturers.

Originally Posted by Heckler75

Wow, even better, then the NDS, it must be really a nice unit.will have to demo a lumin, and compare to a naim streamer.

how would you, describe the difference, between lumin/naim. better soundstage/more open/midrange etc...

thanks

**Heckler75** · February 16, 2014, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by the professor

A little more detail but just as musical. The Lumin is in the middle between the Linn Klimax and NDS.

Bottom line - Naim works best with Naim systems. They do so many things to maximize the synergy in their own systems, they just don't play as well with other manufacturers.

the professor,

thanks, definitely will have to do a demo, was originally looking at the Naim (ndx) streamers. but now, will have to check out the lumin.

glad to hear, that you actually own both, and that you compared, and can give feedback on naim/lumin.

that really helps...

**the professor** · February 16, 2014, 04:16 PM

I actually had the Klimax and the NDS and have replaced both with Lunins.

I liked the Klinax going into the D'Agostino preamp but liked the NDS into the Accuphase.

Originally Posted by Heckler75

the professor,

thanks, definitely will have to do a demo, was originally looking at the Naim (ndx) streamers. but now, will have to check out the lumin.

glad to hear, that you actually own both, and that you compared, and can give feedback on naim/lumin.

that really helps...

**la1209** · February 20, 2014, 06:49 AM

Dear All,

I'm a new comer here from Hong Kong, just to say HI to everyone!
Very happy to see many Lumin's user here, actually the A1 is a very very good music player!
I'm now using my handcrafted LPS to feed my A1, also with my hand braided DC connecting cable, and I brought a Shunyata Research Alpha Digital Powercord for it, the result is amazing! Very very good!

Best regards,
Kenneth Lau

**joeinid** · February 20, 2014, 12:44 PM

Welcome to the forum Kenneth! Thank you so much for joining!

**MDP** · February 20, 2014, 01:16 PM

Welcome Kenneth !! That little Alpha Digital power cord is amazing,isn't it ?

**the professor** · February 20, 2014, 02:56 PM

Welcome to AS Kenneth!

I've ordered one of your power supplies. Can't wait till I get it. Thanks!

**socfan12** · February 20, 2014, 10:01 PM

Welcome to AS, Kenneth!

**la1209** · February 21, 2014, 04:16 AM

Originally Posted by MDP

Welcome Kenneth !! That little Alpha Digital power cord is amazing,isn't it ?

Dear Mark,

The little Alpha Digital power cord is superb! Very good for source, and very well match with my PSU too!

Kenneth Lau

**la1209** · February 21, 2014, 04:22 AM

Originally Posted by the professor

Welcome to AS Kenneth!

I've ordered one of your power supplies. Can't wait till I get it. Thanks!

Dear Jock,

Sorry for the long waiting time, I will ship Mike's PSU on Monday, and then yours, maybe a week later. Everything is ready, just waiting for the chassis.

Best regards,
Kenneth Lau

**Mike** · February 21, 2014, 06:46 AM

Thanks Ken. I can't wait.

**MDP** · February 21, 2014, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by la1209

Dear Jock,

Sorry for the long waiting time, I will ship Mike's PSU on Monday, and then yours, maybe a week later. Everything is ready, just waiting for the chassis.

Best regards,
Kenneth Lau

**Mike** · February 21, 2014, 09:50 AM

Mark - should I just leave it packed and ship it to you?

I guess Jock will bring his over. Oh man, I'm afraid what this will do.

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**MDP** · February 21, 2014, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by Mike

Mark - should I just leave it packed and ship it to you?

I guess Jock will bring his over. Oh man, I'm afraid what this will do.

Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

I'm ascared !!

**la1209** · March 6, 2014, 08:40 PM

Hi Jock, your PSU will send out today, and I will give you the tracking number tonight, thanks.

Best,
Kenneth Lau

**Mike** · March 6, 2014, 08:43 PM

Guys, my Kenneth Lau Power Supply arrived yesterday and has been going non-stop. I have noticed a tightening of bass, meatier mids and a wider soundstage. Definitely a nice upgrade.

Thanks Ken!

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**MDP** · March 6, 2014, 10:46 PM

Oh no................................

**mdkim** · March 6, 2014, 11:01 PM

I like that the Lau PSU is larger. My stock one does a wheelie from the power cable pulling on the back of it

.

**the professor** · March 7, 2014, 01:19 AM

Thanks

Originally Posted by la1209

Hi Jock, your PSU will send out today, and I will give you the tracking number tonight, thanks.

Best,
Kenneth Lau

**sharkmouth** · March 7, 2014, 03:05 AM

Originally Posted by mdkim

I like that the Lau PSU is larger. My stock one does a wheelie from the power cable pulling on the back of it

.

That gave me a belly chuckle, nice....!

**la1209** · March 11, 2014, 10:11 AM

Hi Jock,

Received or not?

Best regards,
Kenneth Lau

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