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    Re: Introducing Roon 1.8 - COMING SOON

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingsrule View Post
    Updated to roon 1.8...it does sound a bit better. Wider and more micro dynamic. However it's still edgy and fatiguing. The 1.8 interface is a disaster. Multiple menu presses to get to things that were immediately available in 1.7. Not to mention the color scheme....

    Now the real reality. Taiko Audio TAS still is FAR, FAR superior. Some have said 1.8 closes the gap. Not from what I am hearing. If your primary source are files or streaming, the Taiko Extreme and TAS are a must listen.......
    All of which is very cool... however, you are talking about $30,000... so that is completely out of the realm for many, dare I say most of us.
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    Re: Introducing Roon 1.8 - COMING SOON

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingsrule View Post
    Updated to roon 1.8...it does sound a bit better. Wider and more micro dynamic. However it's still edgy and fatiguing. The 1.8 interface is a disaster. Multiple menu presses to get to things that were immediately available in 1.7. Not to mention the color scheme....

    Now the real reality. Taiko Audio TAS still is FAR, FAR superior. Some have said 1.8 closes the gap. Not from what I am hearing. If your primary source are files or streaming, the Taiko Extreme and TAS are a must listen.......
    For the price it better gone a be better.....!
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    Re: Introducing Roon 1.8 - COMING SOON

    One thing about 1.8 that is a very nice change, they made it much easier to compare playing Roon directly versus HQPlayer. It used to be finicky and not easy. Now it is a piece of cake.

    While Roon is very good up-sampling to DSD512 HQPlayer is better to my ears. It seems more noticeably better now but that may very well be that it is so much easier to switch back and forth.
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    Re: Introducing Roon 1.8 - COMING SOON

    Well hell I didnít get the folder view I wanted. Jury is out on the new interface. Like Fisher Price and Apple had a baby.
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    Re: Introducing Roon 1.8 - COMING SOON

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingsrule View Post
    Updated to roon 1.8...it does sound a bit better. Wider and more micro dynamic. However it's still edgy and fatiguing. The 1.8 interface is a disaster. Multiple menu presses to get to things that were immediately available in 1.7. Not to mention the color scheme....

    Now the real reality. Taiko Audio TAS still is FAR, FAR superior. Some have said 1.8 closes the gap. Not from what I am hearing. If your primary source are files or streaming, the Taiko Extreme and TAS are a must listen.......
    Edgy and fatiguing?......interesting.....Iíve always found Roon, in all itís incarnations to be somewhat soft and laid back, to varying degrees....Some might find it a bit veiled.....I personally like the overall presentation, and donít remotely find it fatiguing or edgy.....Not at all suggesting thatís not what you observed.....Just wondering if something else might be contributing to that observation......
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    Re: Introducing Roon 1.8 - COMING SOON

    I think this leads to the question, how does Roon 1.8 sound through the Nucleus Plus compared to the Taiko Extreme? Since Mike has both, perhaps he will comment. We know the Taiko Extreme sounds top notch with its own software.

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    Re: Introducing Roon 1.8 - COMING SOON

    Quote Originally Posted by Alpinist View Post
    I think this leads to the question, how does Roon 1.8 sound through the Nucleus Plus compared to the Taiko Extreme? Since Mike has both, perhaps he will comment. We know the Taiko Extreme sounds top notch with its own software.

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    I don't really see how this is an apples to apples comparison. You are trying to compare a $2.5k device only meant to run Roon core in conjunction to other streaming devices versus a $35k premium server designed for a very different purpose and software (OS and TAS) specifically tuned to run on a very specific hardware (Extreme). Forget TAS, even Roon will perform better on Extreme than Nucleus+. There are many servers which sounds better with their own software and that is not really surprising.

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    Re: Introducing Roon 1.8 - COMING SOON

    So, for all the past days I have been listening to 1.8, the more I am realizing a very positive experience with the overall sound. This is on a Windows based server. I am yet to update my Linux builds but I am hopeful.

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    Re: Introducing Roon 1.8 - COMING SOON

    Quote Originally Posted by Devg View Post
    I don't really see how this is an apples to apples comparison. You are trying to compare a $2.5k device only meant to run Roon core in conjunction to other streaming devices versus a $35k premium server designed for a very different purpose and software (OS and TAS) specifically tuned to run on a very specific hardware (Extreme). Forget TAS, even Roon will perform better on Extreme than Nucleus+. There are many servers which sounds better with their own software and that is not really surprising.
    There were issues, at least initially, with Roon 1.8ís performance on TAS, leading some to say that Roon 1.8ís sound quality was not too good. However, on the Roon Nucleus Plus, many said Roon 1.8ís sound quality was as good or better than before. Thatís why this is a relevant discussion.

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    Re: Introducing Roon 1.8 - COMING SOON

    I always felt that Roon sounded very good on its own, but being able to directly compare to HQPlayer was a bit of an eye opener. With prior versions I thought HQPlayer was better but it was cumbersome to directly compare and therefore the comparisons I always felt were a bit compromised since the switch back and forth was not always smooth. With 1.8 the switch is quick, easy and smooth allowing for true direct comparisons.

    During this comparison at first I felt that Roon might be so close that using HQPlayer might no longer be needed. But with more comparisons it became obvious that HQPlayer was smoother with more air, more definition of individual instruments. I felt that Roon was a tad edgy in comparison to HQPlayer. But it was very close and probably both acceptable.

    I did the comparison using my Moon NEO 430HA headphone amp and my Abyss Diana Phi headphones so I felt it was a completely fair and honest comparison. I feel 1.8 is fantastic and allowed the tremendous playback engine of HQPlayer to really shine!
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    Re: Introducing Roon 1.8 - COMING SOON

    Quote Originally Posted by Alpinist View Post
    There were issues, at least initially, with Roon 1.8ís performance on TAS, leading some to say that Roon 1.8ís sound quality was not too good. However, on the Roon Nucleus Plus, many said Roon 1.8ís sound quality was as good or better than before. Thatís why this is a relevant discussion.

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    Just to clarity, TAS is Taikoís audio software. On the Extreme, Roon doesnít run on TAS. Extreme owners have the ability to listen to TAS or Roon.

    Assuming you meant running Roon on the Extreme, the Taiko support team tweaks the settings in the Extreme in order to maximize the audio quality of Roon. I would assume that Roon on an Extreme would sound much better than Roon on a Roon Nucleus but that is just my guess.
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    Re: Introducing Roon 1.8 - COMING SOON

    Quote Originally Posted by dminches View Post
    Just to clarity, TAS is Taikoís audio software. On the Extreme, Roon doesnít run on TAS. Extreme owners have the ability to listen to TAS or Roon.

    Assuming you meant running Roon on the Extreme, the Taiko support team tweaks the settings in the Extreme in order to maximize the audio quality of Roon. I would assume that Roon on an Extreme would sound much better than Roon on a Roon Nucleus but that is just my guess.
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    The sonic improvement of TAS over Roon is not subtle. Most people were blown away with the differences in the first 5 seconds.
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    Re: Introducing Roon 1.8 - COMING SOON

    Quote Originally Posted by dminches View Post
    Just to clarity, TAS is Taikoís audio software. On the Extreme, Roon doesnít run on TAS. Extreme owners have the ability to listen to TAS or Roon.

    Assuming you meant running Roon on the Extreme, the Taiko support team tweaks the settings in the Extreme in order to maximize the audio quality of Roon. I would assume that Roon on an Extreme would sound much better than Roon on a Roon Nucleus but that is just my guess.
    But again, it requires hardware that could run to $30,000 to use... I assume if you are developing your own software for a $30,000 piece of gear it had better be something pretty special. For 99% of Roon users weather 1.8 sounds better or worse on the Extreme is really not a consideration. Does it sound better or worse on a vast majority of the customers systems is what actually matters, and the consensus that I am seeing is it does.
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    Re: Introducing Roon 1.8 - COMING SOON

    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    But again, it requires hardware that could run to $30,000 to use... I assume if you are developing your own software for a $30,000 piece of gear it had better be something pretty special. For 99% of Roon users weather 1.8 sounds better or worse on the Extreme is really not a consideration. Does it sound better or worse on a vast majority of the customers systems is what actually matters, and the consensus that I am seeing is it does.
    Whatís the point of your response? No one is disputing that the Extreme is expensive. I was merely responding to and clarifying Kenís post. Did you not see that? And, even in my response I did not definitely say it sounded better.
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    Re: Introducing Roon 1.8 - COMING SOON

    Quote Originally Posted by Alpinist View Post
    There were issues, at least initially, with Roon 1.8ís performance on TAS, leading some to say that Roon 1.8ís sound quality was not too good. However, on the Roon Nucleus Plus, many said Roon 1.8ís sound quality was as good or better than before. Thatís why this is a relevant discussion.

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    I think the question was more of did Roon 1.8 sounded better or worse or same than 1.7 on the same environment (OS and hardware). In order to get a realistic answer if Roon sounded better or worse in Extreme vs Nucleus+, you need to test it in the same environment, meaning in Extreme you need to run further optimized Rock or on Nucleus+ you need to run the version of Windows that runs on Extreme - both the options arenít possible.

    I canít stress the importance of any audio application running in an optimized environment will always yield better result. You canít judge Roon alone. Similarly you canít run TAS (assuming you can) on any other hardware and expect it to perform equally as Extreme, heck they have even improve the USB chipset driver for many DACs to work with TAS better. They have further optimized Windows to mitigate the bad sound quality of Roon. I would give a nod to Roon in that they have more challenges than others since they need to run a wide variety of hardware and operating environment. Similar to Windows versus OSX. So an improvement in sound in 1.8 is really a big win for many. On a better hardware, better power supply, and a tuned OS/environment, any audio software is bound to sound good.

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    Introducing Roon 1.8 - COMING SOON

    If you have not yet updated to 1.8 and if you are a user of the bookmarks function, you may want to hold off upgrading to 1.8 until Roon releases a fix. Right now, the bookmarks function is not working properly. Roon Labs is supposed to be working on a fix.

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    Re: Introducing Roon 1.8 - COMING SOON

    This link shows Roon Labsís responses to several of the fixes/requests made by users of the new 1.8 version.

    List of updates from Roon on 1.8 issues - Roon Software - Roon Labs Community

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    Re: Introducing Roon 1.8 - COMING SOON

    Quote Originally Posted by dminches View Post
    Whatís the point of your response? No one is disputing that the Extreme is expensive. I was merely responding to and clarifying Kenís post. Did you not see that? And, even in my response I did not definitely say it sounded better.
    I guess my point was that for most people it is irrelevant if it sounds better or worse on the Extreme. The question is does it sound better, the same, or worse on gear that they might actually use. It was not so much directed at you as it is directed at comparing Roon in regards to the Extreme.
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    Introducing Roon 1.8 - COMING SOON

    I donít get it. Why shouldnít Roon on Extreme be talked about? Even if we have only one Extreme owner, itís still legit to talk about it. If you donít have Extreme or arenít interested, well, maybe...donít comment on it?

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    Re: Introducing Roon 1.8 - COMING SOON

    I think itís a bit of a horses for courses confusion here. While some people talk about a Roon update, others talk about a custom platform not being able to accommodate the SW changes properly.


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    Re: Introducing Roon 1.8 - COMING SOON

    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    I guess my point was that for most people it is irrelevant if it sounds better or worse on the Extreme. The question is does it sound better, the same, or worse on gear that they might actually use. It was not so much directed at you as it is directed at comparing Roon in regards to the Extreme.
    I totally agree with you. The folks who own the Taiko Extreme will not be using Roon on it because as theyíve pointed out time and time again, the Taiko software sounds far superior to the Roon software on the Taiko Extreme. The fact is Roon 1.8 sounds from as good as to significantly better than Roon 1.7 on devices that will actually be using Roon 1.8. The fact that Roon 1.8 sounds worse than Roon 1.7 on the Taiko Extreme is a moot point as far as Iím concerned.

    I am enjoying significantly improved sound quality with Roon 1.8 on my Roon Nucleus Plus. The soundstage appears bigger with imaging more holographic. And the functionality of the Roon interface continues to be one of the best.

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    Re: Introducing Roon 1.8 - COMING SOON

    just curious what is the simpliest way to add in the HQ player and what is the price? I have a lifetime membership but never have evaluated HQ player?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpinist View Post
    I totally agree with you. The folks who own the Taiko Extreme will not be using Roon on it because as theyíve pointed out time and time again, the Taiko software sounds far superior to the Roon software on the Taiko Extreme. The fact is Roon 1.8 sounds from as good as to significantly better than Roon 1.7 on devices that will actually be using Roon 1.8. The fact that Roon 1.8 sounds worse than Roon 1.7 on the Taiko Extreme is a moot point as far as Iím concerned.

    I am enjoying significantly improved sound quality with Roon 1.8 on my Roon Nucleus Plus. The soundstage appears bigger with imaging more holographic. And the functionality of the Roon interface continues to be one of the best.

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    Hi Ken,
    Do you use upsampling features on Roon? Glad youíre enjoying 1.8. I myself welcome the new interface. As for SC, I do not detect anything significant, but I do not use Roon upsampling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by veindoc View Post
    just curious what is the simpliest way to add in the HQ player and what is the price? I have a lifetime membership but never have evaluated HQ player?
    thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by kzhtoo View Post
    Hi Ken,
    Do you use upsampling features on Roon? Glad youíre enjoying 1.8. I myself welcome the new interface. As for SC, I do not detect anything significant, but I do not use Roon upsampling.
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    I do not utilize any upsampling through Roon. Through all my experimentation, I have never preferred upsampling over native sampling. Native just sounds more natural to my ears.

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    Re: Introducing Roon 1.8 - COMING SOON

    Really good video on new features of Version 1.8 by Hans Beekhuyzen:

    Roon Version 1 8 fresh and fast - YouTube

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpinist View Post
    Hi Khin,

    I do not utilize any upsampling through Roon. Through all my experimentation, I have never preferred upsampling over native sampling. Native just sounds more natural to my ears.

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    Hi Ken,
    Thanks for the reply. I too find native sounds the best in my system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpinist View Post
    I totally agree with you. The folks who own the Taiko Extreme will not be using Roon on it because as theyíve pointed out time and time again, the Taiko software sounds far superior to the Roon software on the Taiko Extreme.

    Ken
    Ken, while that may ultimately be true, currently TAS lacks a lot of the functionality that Roon has above an beyond the information that Roon brings to the user. For example, TAS playback is not yet fully gapless. For some music that is not ideal. In addition, there are certain playback options which have not yet been released for TAS.

    Again, I expect TAS will have all this functionality eventually but right now there are many Extreme owners who plan on listening to music via Roon so the quality of each update is still very important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dminches View Post
    Ken, while that may ultimately be true, currently TAS lacks a lot of the functionality that Roon has above an beyond the information that Roon brings to the user. For example, TAS playback is not yet fully gapless. For some music that is not ideal. In addition, there are certain playback options which have not yet been released for TAS.

    Again, I expect TAS will have all this functionality eventually but right now there are many Extreme owners who plan on listening to music via Roon so the quality of each update is still very important.
    Are you talking between songs, between albums, or both?
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  32. #132

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    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    Are you talking between songs, between albums, or both?
    I believe gapless refers to in between songs. My understanding is that there is currently a "pregnant pause" between songs. Making it truly gapless is on their to do list, but currently the way the files are processed results in a small gap.
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    Re: Introducing Roon 1.8 - COMING SOON

    did that on my ipad controller but not active just added. Who or where do I pay or am I adding HQ player to my music server?
    thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    Are you talking between songs, between albums, or both?
    I believe gapless playback is primarily meant between songs, otherwise having pause between songs in Pink Floyd albums is just not acceptable

    However, there is no reason why it canít be extended between Albums - from one album to the next, itís basically one song to the next. if you queue two or more albums in Roon, itís gapless end-to-end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by veindoc View Post
    did that on my ipad controller but not active just added. Who or where do I pay or am I adding HQ player to my music server?
    thanks
    Nick
    Normally HQPlayer would run on your server along with Roon Core. It can be played by itself but the playback interface is not great. You setup the drivers, filters, and if you want to over sample in HQPlayer.

    In Roon HQPlayer would be another zone or audio source (not sure what they are calling it now). In essence Roon is your controller and meta data provider. Roon Core runs on the server for library functions and choosing storage locations (folders on the server, NAS, external drives, Tidal, etc.). Roon hands the signal off to HQPlayer by choosing it as your zone and HQPlayer is then the actual playback engine.

    So Roon Core and HQPlayer run on your server and Roon Controller runs on your controller device; iPad, computer, tablet, etc. For me it is a Surface tablet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dminches View Post
    Ken, while that may ultimately be true, currently TAS lacks a lot of the functionality that Roon has above an beyond the information that Roon brings to the user. For example, TAS playback is not yet fully gapless. For some music that is not ideal. In addition, there are certain playback options which have not yet been released for TAS.

    Again, I expect TAS will have all this functionality eventually but right now there are many Extreme owners who plan on listening to music via Roon so the quality of each update is still very important.
    I listen with Roon 99% of the time on my Extreme...usability and features matter

  37. #137

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    Normally HQPlayer would run on your server along with Roon Core. It can be played by itself but the playback interface is not great. You setup the drivers, filters, and if you want to over sample in HQPlayer.

    In Roon HQPlayer would be another zone or audio source (not sure what they are calling it now). In essence Roon is your controller and meta data provider. Roon Core runs on the server for library functions and choosing storage locations (folders on the server, NAS, external drives, Tidal, etc.). Roon hands the signal off to HQPlayer by choosing it as your zone and HQPlayer is then the actual playback engine.

    So Roon Core and HQPlayer run on your server and Roon Controller runs on your controller device; iPad, computer, tablet, etc. For me it is a Surface tablet.
    Randy,
    Is this why I could not get Roon to work when I used HQPlayer on my endpoint, my SOtM SMS-200 UltraNeo, instead of Roon? HQPlayer has to be on the server computer, not on the endpoint?

  38. #138

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puma Cat View Post
    Randy,
    Is this why I could not get Roon to work when I used HQPlayer on my endpoint, my SOtM SMS-200 UltraNeo, instead of Roon? HQPlayer has to be on the server computer, not on the endpoint?
    You need an MSA for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puma Cat View Post
    Randy,
    Is this why I could not get Roon to work when I used HQPlayer on my endpoint, my SOtM SMS-200 UltraNeo, instead of Roon? HQPlayer has to be on the server computer, not on the endpoint?
    That is how I always heard that it works, and how it works for me. It is the actual playback engine, what is actually playing the digital files and therefore should interact directly with them. Roon organizes the files, searched out the files, shows the meta data, and tells HQPlayer what to play, but HQPlayer actually plays them. Hopefully that makes sense and does not make it more confusing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingsrule View Post
    I listen with Roon 99% of the time on my Extreme...usability and features matter
    Hi King,

    This surprises me. You are still using Roon, even when TAS sounds so clearly superior on the Taiko Extreme? Is the functionality of the TAS interface really that bad? What specifically is wrong with it or would need to be improved in order for you to use it? Also, do you use HQPlayer as an add-on in Roon?

    Thanks,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    That is how I always heard that it works, and how it works for me. It is the actual playback engine, what is actually playing the digital files and therefore should interact directly with them. Roon organizes the files, searched out the files, shows the meta data, and tells HQPlayer what to play, but HQPlayer actually plays them. Hopefully that makes sense and does not make it more confusing.
    Thanks, Randy. It makes sense from a high-level functional overview, but what I need to figure out is how to actually configure what software, what way, to get it to work. I've looked at Audiophile Style and some other places for a protocol, but have not found any clear, step-by-step protocol, other than the one for Sonore's Rendu products, which don't apply in my case. Cheers.

  42. #142

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    Yesterday, Roon released an update to fix several of the issues that users complained about. I just updated my core and my devices.

    Here is a list of the fixes/improvements (per Roon Labs):

    Improvements and Bug Fixes for Build 763:
    Fixed missing audio zones in some conditions
    Add/Remove Tag functionality restored
    Playlist and Tag links available on Album screen (enable on Settings > General)
    Shuffle playback in browsers selects from your entire library
    New ďCustomize Album DisplayĒ options:
    Star rating
    MQA badge
    Album display settings now used across the app including TIDAL, Qobuz, Genre pages, etc
    ĎExportí option restored to Playlists when applicable
    Focus: fixed some cases where ĎView Moreí wouldnít be shown
    Updated treatment of ĎIn libraryí button on Search results
    Bigger ďhit areasĒ for touch:
    Queue button in footer
    Scrollbars on iOS
    Playlist item drag handles
    Now Playing:
    Fixed spacing and layout of Star rating and streaming services badges
    Removed UI artifact when Now Playing is empty on mobile
    Album screen includes clearer treatment when navigating to ďfocusedĒ track list from Credits tab
    Fixed icon alignment for tracks on many screens
    Fixed overlapping scrollbars in some dialogs
    Fixed failure to load content after clicking link in reviews and bios
    Fixed crash opening artist browser when malformed unicode is present
    Fixed a bug where different ĎMember ofí links would redirect to the same person
    Fixed absence of hamburger menu on large-format tablets
    Updated treatment for tags on Composition screen
    Fixed issue with multiple external source controls on Volume popup
    Whatís Next
    Weíre still reading everyoneís feedback and looking forward to releasing additional changes over the next few weeks, including options to display larger text, and expanding Focus to support powerful, customizable filtering including AND/OR options.

    Once these changes are implemented, any bookmarks that predate Roon 1.8 should work as they did before, so thanks for everyoneís patience on this!"

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    I found the version before the fix quite slow. Now it seems to be normal again.


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    Re: Introducing Roon 1.8 - COMING SOON

    Does Roon still recommend that one updates their Smart Devices that control Roon first, than the Core?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRJAZZ View Post
    Does Roon still recommend that one updates their Smart Devices that control Roon first, than the Core?
    Never heard of that and I have never had any problems. This update, occurred simultaneously with just one click.

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    I installed 1.8 on my iPad and Nucleus+ on Monday. The update went super fast. I havenít warmed up to the new GUI yet as I really liked the previous version. As for SQ, it certainly didnít take a step backward. I think any SQ improvements are more subtle than they are big improvements. Iím hedging on the SQ changes a bit because I need to spend more time listening to get a good handle on the changes Iím hearing with 1.8.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    I installed 1.8 on my iPad and Nucleus+ on Monday. The update went super fast. I havenít warmed up to the new GUI yet as I really liked the previous version. As for SQ, it certainly didnít take a step backward. I think any SQ improvements are more subtle than they are big improvements. Iím hedging on the SQ changes a bit because I need to spend more time listening to get a good handle on the changes Iím hearing with 1.8.
    If you updated two days ago, you do not have the latest version which just came out today! The latest version as of today is "build 764".

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicoff View Post
    If you updated two days ago, you do not have the latest version which just came out today! The latest version as of today is "build 764".
    I received a Roon notification for a new update yesterday.
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    For those who may not know, there is a major issue with Roon 1.8 running on some flavors of Linux (probably relying on ZFS), such as my Mojo Audio DejaVu Evo.

    The issue prevents access to the local music library and makes music replay impossible for those not using a NAS/streaming.

    Roon has reproduced the issue but has been unable to fix it after an incredibly long month. I and other perpetual license owners have been extremely disappointed by the way Roon has been handling this issue.

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