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    Ideal Network for Audio?

    Guys - I could use your help. Soon I will receive an MSB Reference DAC with renderv2 module. My network/music room setup can be seen in the attached image. Is there improvement that can be had by changing/configuring my network differently? Any other thoughts?

    Thanks,

    Jordan
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    Room: 22' W x 26.5' L x 10' H. Constructed with double drywall with acoustic glue between sheets. Drywall isolated from studs and joists using IsoMax Isolation Clips.
    Room Treatments: Mix of GIK Acoustics Bass Traps, 244 panels with scatter plates and 242 panels with scatter plates
    Digital Files Handling: NAS -> Roonserver on CAPSv3 - i7 quad-core powered by Uptone Linear PS.
    Power Conditioning: Equi=Tech 2RQ Balanced Isolation Transformer, PS Audio Premier.
    Front End: MSB Reference DAC (Femto 77, Preamp Module, Renderv2)
    Amplifier: Audio Research Reference 75 SE
    Speakers: Zu Definitions Mk4
    Video: Oppo BD-103 BR Player, JVC RS67U projector, 133" diagonal Da-Lite Cinema Contour Fixed Frame screen.

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    Ideal Network for Audio?

    I would consider a Gigafoil between your switch powered with a LPS and cables then later replacing the very good Cisco switch you have with an audio grade switch - you have some nice stuff, no turning back Ideal Network for Audio?


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    Source Analog: Kuzma Stabi R with 4point 9 arm & Kuzma 40 Cartridge
    Source Digital: Aurender N10 | Brinkmann Nyquist MK II
    Amplification: Dan D’Agostino Momentum Pre Amp and Monos | Boulder Phono 508
    Speakers: Wilson Alexias
    Cabling: Nordost Valhalla 2/Odin: power, interconnects & speaker | Ansuz: C2 power & interconnect | Audioquest Diamond RJ45’s
    Power: Nordost QRT series | Furutech FP55SN cable from 20 amp breakers to Furutech GTX D NSF packages | Keces P3 & P8 | ADD POWR series | Environmental Potential EP2050
    Other: HRS M3X | Stillpoints Ultra 6, SS & Mini | Nordost Sort Cones TC & BC | AQ Vox SE switch | etherREGEN | Gigafoil v4 | Vicoustics | Audio Desk Systeme - Gläss








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    Re: Ideal Network for Audio?

    Quote Originally Posted by UltraFast69 View Post
    I would consider a Gigafoil between your switch powered with a LPS and cables then later replacing the very good Cisco switch you have with an audio grade switch - you have some nice stuff, no turning back Ideal Network for Audio?


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    Thanks, Ultrafast. I also have a TPLink optical isolator that I could insert between Cisco switch and MSB if it would be capable to drive the 40-50ft of Ethernet between switch and MSB.

    the Cisco switch is a large 48 port managed switch, but i’m Not using any of the managed features and probably only have 10 devices using it, though most of the ports are filled with lines from rooms that don’t have devices attached.
    Room: 22' W x 26.5' L x 10' H. Constructed with double drywall with acoustic glue between sheets. Drywall isolated from studs and joists using IsoMax Isolation Clips.
    Room Treatments: Mix of GIK Acoustics Bass Traps, 244 panels with scatter plates and 242 panels with scatter plates
    Digital Files Handling: NAS -> Roonserver on CAPSv3 - i7 quad-core powered by Uptone Linear PS.
    Power Conditioning: Equi=Tech 2RQ Balanced Isolation Transformer, PS Audio Premier.
    Front End: MSB Reference DAC (Femto 77, Preamp Module, Renderv2)
    Amplifier: Audio Research Reference 75 SE
    Speakers: Zu Definitions Mk4
    Video: Oppo BD-103 BR Player, JVC RS67U projector, 133" diagonal Da-Lite Cinema Contour Fixed Frame screen.

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    Re: Ideal Network for Audio?

    Quote Originally Posted by Germanboxers View Post
    Thanks, Ultrafast. I also have a TPLink optical isolator that I could insert between Cisco switch and MSB if it would be capable to drive the 40-50ft of Ethernet between switch and MSB.

    the Cisco switch is a large 48 port managed switch, but i’m Not using any of the managed features and probably only have 10 devices using it, though most of the ports are filled with lines from rooms that don’t have devices attached.
    Being cost effective, I would not hesitate placing the TPlink setup to learn the results, there should be no issue with distance mentioned using equal lengths of cable.

    From my understanding, MSB likes the less is more approach for maximum benefits - noise is the enemy.
    Source Analog: Kuzma Stabi R with 4point 9 arm & Kuzma 40 Cartridge
    Source Digital: Aurender N10 | Brinkmann Nyquist MK II
    Amplification: Dan D’Agostino Momentum Pre Amp and Monos | Boulder Phono 508
    Speakers: Wilson Alexias
    Cabling: Nordost Valhalla 2/Odin: power, interconnects & speaker | Ansuz: C2 power & interconnect | Audioquest Diamond RJ45’s
    Power: Nordost QRT series | Furutech FP55SN cable from 20 amp breakers to Furutech GTX D NSF packages | Keces P3 & P8 | ADD POWR series | Environmental Potential EP2050
    Other: HRS M3X | Stillpoints Ultra 6, SS & Mini | Nordost Sort Cones TC & BC | AQ Vox SE switch | etherREGEN | Gigafoil v4 | Vicoustics | Audio Desk Systeme - Gläss








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    Re: Ideal Network for Audio?

    I am also sentenced to a life with Frontier from Verizon also.

    In my system I have a coax from the OLN on the outside of the house directly to my music room. There is is converted to ethernet cable signal via an ActionTec device. There it connects to a network switch feeding my Synology NSA and Laptop.

    In your case it would feed your MSB and keep all of the other Frontier equipment out of the loop. Granted your on a network still potentially using the router to control storage or laptop though. When I eliminated the router from the direct signal to my room it was a very noticeable improvement.
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    Ideal Network for Audio?

    I recently updated my wired network and extremely happy with the results.

    Incoming Modem and Netgear router are now powered with a Keces P8 12V Linear power supply. A Belden cable spanning 30’ runs to the music room and feeds my AQVOX SE audio switch.

    Note: AQVox recommends using the included power supply over upgrades, even their own upgrades.

    Nordost Heimdell RJ45 cabling out of the AQVox SE feeds a Gigafoil V4 optical filter, powered by a Keces P3 linear power supply, then Nordost Heimdell RJ45 feeds the Aurender N10.

    Each power supply is fitted with Nordost Red Dawn power cables and Ghent Audio just built the DC cords with 20 AWG OFC cable with gold tipped connectors, and expecting those next week.

    All improvements were cumulative removing noise and enhancing the timbre and dynamics of sound complimenting all other aspects of what I put together for a system.

    I started first with the AQVox, then grounded it with Nordost QKore - great results

    Then added the DJM Gigafoil V4 powered by the Keces P3. The Gigafoil settled after placement tests between the Aurender and the AQVox switch - further greatness

    Phased in the Keces P8 for the separate Modem and Router upon execution - even further greatness, and if results improve with break in, then I’m going to need oxygen






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    Source Analog: Kuzma Stabi R with 4point 9 arm & Kuzma 40 Cartridge
    Source Digital: Aurender N10 | Brinkmann Nyquist MK II
    Amplification: Dan D’Agostino Momentum Pre Amp and Monos | Boulder Phono 508
    Speakers: Wilson Alexias
    Cabling: Nordost Valhalla 2/Odin: power, interconnects & speaker | Ansuz: C2 power & interconnect | Audioquest Diamond RJ45’s
    Power: Nordost QRT series | Furutech FP55SN cable from 20 amp breakers to Furutech GTX D NSF packages | Keces P3 & P8 | ADD POWR series | Environmental Potential EP2050
    Other: HRS M3X | Stillpoints Ultra 6, SS & Mini | Nordost Sort Cones TC & BC | AQ Vox SE switch | etherREGEN | Gigafoil v4 | Vicoustics | Audio Desk Systeme - Gläss








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    Re: Ideal Network for Audio?

    Quote Originally Posted by Germanboxers View Post
    Guys - I could use your help. Soon I will receive an MSB Reference DAC with renderv2 module. My network/music room setup can be seen in the attached image. Is there improvement that can be had by changing/configuring my network differently? Any other thoughts?

    Thanks,

    Jordan
    Two things that made a significant improvement in my digital network:

    1. Switching to Cat7 cable removed a background "hash" to the sound.
    The better shielding in the Cat7 provides a better signal to noise ratio.

    2. The Array Solutions AC Line Filter
    https://www.arraysolutions.com/ac-7
    This is a really neat AC filter that originates from the ham radio world.
    Cleans up noise injected back into the wall by computers, TVs etc.
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    Re: Ideal Network for Audio?

    Thanks, Nikhil. That looks like an affordable, well-made device to prevent grunge back on the line.
    Room: 22' W x 26.5' L x 10' H. Constructed with double drywall with acoustic glue between sheets. Drywall isolated from studs and joists using IsoMax Isolation Clips.
    Room Treatments: Mix of GIK Acoustics Bass Traps, 244 panels with scatter plates and 242 panels with scatter plates
    Digital Files Handling: NAS -> Roonserver on CAPSv3 - i7 quad-core powered by Uptone Linear PS.
    Power Conditioning: Equi=Tech 2RQ Balanced Isolation Transformer, PS Audio Premier.
    Front End: MSB Reference DAC (Femto 77, Preamp Module, Renderv2)
    Amplifier: Audio Research Reference 75 SE
    Speakers: Zu Definitions Mk4
    Video: Oppo BD-103 BR Player, JVC RS67U projector, 133" diagonal Da-Lite Cinema Contour Fixed Frame screen.

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