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    Re: HiFi Rose RS150 Network Streamer Review

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
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    Re: HiFi Rose RS150 Network Streamer Review

    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    How much is the MSB Discrete with Network Renderer?
    The MSB Discrete DAC starts at $12,500 with single power supply and the Network Renderer is another $1,995, not exactly a fair comparison to a $5,000 all in one streamer DAC.

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    Re: HiFi Rose RS150 Network Streamer Review

    Ah so MSB finally raised the price. It stood at $9,950 base until recently.
    Either way an unfair comparison, but if it's being said that the RS150 can compete at 2-3x the price the Discrete should be thrown in there.

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    Re: HiFi Rose RS150 Network Streamer Review

    I am sure the big display adds to the wow factor but offers no benefit in the SQ dept.
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    Re: HiFi Rose RS150 Network Streamer Review

    HiFi Rose now streaming Apple Music.

    We're excited to announce the latest HiFi Rose update has expanded its streaming capability to include Apple Music! Currently offered in standard streaming quality, with high resolution in the works, Apple Music subscribers can now access their collection. The new addition takes what was already an amazing piece of equipment to the next level.

    The Internet Radio app has also been updated, you can now have VU meters when using Roon, and if you have a drive installed, you can cache RoseTube videos for more stable playback.


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    Re: HiFi Rose RS150 Network Streamer Review

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    HiFi Rose now streaming Apple Music.

    We're excited to announce the latest HiFi Rose update has expanded its streaming capability to include Apple Music! Currently offered in standard streaming quality, with high resolution in the works, Apple Music subscribers can now access their collection. The new addition takes what was already an amazing piece of equipment to the next level.

    The Internet Radio app has also been updated, you can now have VU meters when using Roon, and if you have a drive installed, you can cache RoseTube videos for more stable playback.


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    Does it mean if I have music stored in iCloud, I can access them from HiFi Rose?

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    Re: HiFi Rose RS150 Network Streamer Review

    I was wondering who the first to bag Apple Music would be.
    I hope more companies add Apple Music native playback.
    My question will be if hi-res (and lossless assuming that's what HiFi Rose means by standard) will stream bit perfect.
    Nonetheless very convenient and a great score by HiFi Rose.
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    Re: HiFi Rose RS150 Network Streamer Review

    can you use the rose150 as a pc for "light things" such as browsing newspaper and checking e-mails? some kind of a window10 or so?

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    Re: HiFi Rose RS150 Network Streamer Review

    According to Hifi Rose, their Apple Music implementation doesn't do lossless.

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    Re: HiFi Rose RS150 Network Streamer Review

    I did a update on the RS150b last night. It was interesting in how it updated at least interesting to me. It was a three part update. Meaning it updated and then prompted to update the unit again and then a third time. I was wondering if there was a bug and it might brick my unit so I just went through the process. It finished the update and the unit is fine. And works as before the update. It does have the Apple now active on my iPad and iPhone but I don't have a Apple Music account active. So, I can't report how that sounds or works. As Mike posted "high resolution is in works". I am able to set the screen to display the time while I play Roon however I was playing from one of my play list and after each song change the display will go back to the original cover art on the display this also happened when playing a complete album. Looks like another update will have to correct that. The VU meter option when using Roon shows a message "this function is not available". It's good knowing that HiFi Rose has the ability to do a software update as easy as my Tesla.
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    Re: HiFi Rose RS150 Network Streamer Review

    Quote Originally Posted by TommyC View Post
    According to Hifi Rose, their Apple Music implementation doesn't do lossless.
    That's unusual since Apple only streams in lossless (and hi-res) afaik.
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    Re: HiFi Rose RS150 Network Streamer Review

    Quote Originally Posted by Darrel View Post
    I did a update on the RS150b last night. It was interesting in how it updated at least interesting to me. It was a three part update. Meaning it updated and then prompted to update the unit again and then a third time. I was wondering if there was a bug and it might brick my unit so I just went through the process. It finished the update and the unit is fine. And works as before the update. It does have the Apple now active on my iPad and iPhone but I don't have a Apple Music account active. So, I can't report how that sounds or works. As Mike posted "high resolution is in works". I am able to set the screen to display the time while I play Roon however I was playing from one of my play list and after each song change the display will go back to the original cover art on the display this also happened when playing a complete album. Looks like another update will have to correct that. The VU meter option when using Roon shows a message "this function is not available". It's good knowing that HiFi Rose has the ability to do a software update as easy as my Tesla.
    I'm running Roon with my 150B and the VU meters work just dandy. The McIntosh style meters are cool.
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    Re: HiFi Rose RS150 Network Streamer Review

    Quote Originally Posted by Rnrmf View Post
    That's unusual since Apple only streams in lossless (and hi-res) afaik.
    Pretty sure the "base" rate is 256k AAC, with "upgrades" up to 24/192 (although I don't know how many albums are available at 24/192). I don't subscribe so I may have some details wrong (I get solicitations to join 1-2x/wk).
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    Re: HiFi Rose RS150 Network Streamer Review

    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    I'm running Roon with my 150B and the VU meters work just dandy. The McIntosh style meters are cool.
    That's interesting. Maybe I'll reboot the unit. I usually only use the clock or meters using the toslink. Did your install have more than one update process?

    Here is the HiFi Rose forum webpage on Apple Music.

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    Re: HiFi Rose RS150 Network Streamer Review

    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    I'm running Roon with my 150B and the VU meters work just dandy. The McIntosh style meters are cool.
    Are you using the DAC in the 150b or USB out to the DS Jr.?
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    Re: HiFi Rose RS150 Network Streamer Review

    Quote Originally Posted by rbbert View Post
    Pretty sure the "base" rate is 256k AAC, with "upgrades" up to 24/192 (although I don't know how many albums are available at 24/192). I don't subscribe so I may have some details wrong (I get solicitations to join 1-2x/wk).
    I get Apple Music free with my mobile phone plan so I'm technically a "subscriber" and it seems that lossless (and hi-res) is free to subscribers but I guess non-subscribers receive 256k AAC as you pointed out.
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    Re: HiFi Rose RS150 Network Streamer Review

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    I don't find a player or streamer without a built-in DAC?

    On a separate but related note, do you carry the RS201E? Either way, do you know the current price of this unit?
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    Re: HiFi Rose RS150 Network Streamer Review

    Quote Originally Posted by Darrel View Post
    That's interesting. Maybe I'll reboot the unit. I usually only use the clock or meters using the toslink. Did your install have more than one update process?

    Here is the HiFi Rose forum webpage on Apple Music.

    Information about Apple Music service - Notice - HiFi ROSE
    Mine updated with one take.
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    Re: HiFi Rose RS150 Network Streamer Review

    Quote Originally Posted by rbbert View Post
    Are you using the DAC in the 150b or USB out to the DS Jr.?
    I'm using the DAC built into the 150B. The DSJ is for sale.
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    Re: HiFi Rose RS150 Network Streamer Review

    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    Mine updated with one take.
    Thanks. I did some digging in the setup menu and now the Mac style VU meter are displayed. Not sure why the update process took that route.
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    Re: HiFi Rose RS150 Network Streamer Review

    Has anyone used the Rose RSA780 CD player / ripper with the RS150? I'm considering the RS150 and the low cost of the RSA780 may sway me if its sound quality is up to scratch. Thanks. Peter
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    Re: HiFi Rose RS150 Network Streamer Review

    Quote Originally Posted by Hear Here View Post
    Has anyone used the Rose RSA780 CD player / ripper with the RS150? I'm considering the RS150 and the low cost of the RSA780 may sway me if its sound quality is up to scratch. Thanks. Peter
    We have. It’s excellent.


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    Re: HiFi Rose RS150 Network Streamer Review

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    We have. It’s excellent.
    Thanks Mike. I'm way outside your catchment area unfortunately or I'd visit. It's a long treck from Portsmouth, UK!

    I want to improve my electronis (from the NAD M33) and have in mind the RS150 and a power (or more likely integrated) amp around the $6K range. Thinking of Hegel H390 or perhaps H590, though the latter seems over kill with Avantgarde Duo XDs. Peter
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    Re: HiFi Rose RS150 Network Streamer Review

    Quote Originally Posted by Hear Here View Post
    Thanks Mike. I'm way outside your catchment area unfortunately or I'd visit. It's a long treck from Portsmouth, UK!

    I want to improve my electronis (from the NAD M33) and have in mind the RS150 and a power (or more likely integrated) amp around the $6K range. Thinking of Hegel H390 or perhaps H590, though the latter seems over kill with Avantgarde Duo XDs. Peter
    I actually used an Apple Mac external CD drive I had laying around to rip the CD's onto my Rose 150B.
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    Re: HiFi Rose RS150 Network Streamer Review

    As I have been pondering a change to my digital stuff, this HI FiRose 150 B has caught my attention. Interesting one box solution to a streamer/media player and CD player (with a small simple add-on).
    I wonder how the sound quality would compare to my present Bryston BDP 3 player and BDA 3 DAC.
    I know it's a long shot but might anyone have an idea or guess?

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    Re: HiFi Rose RS150 Network Streamer Review

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnJ View Post
    As I have been pondering a change to my digital stuff, this HI FiRose 150 B has caught my attention. Interesting one box solution to a streamer/media player and CD player (with a small simple add-on).
    I wonder how the sound quality would compare to my present Bryston BDP 3 player and BDA 3 DAC.
    I know it's a long shot but might anyone have an idea or guess?

    Thanks,

    John
    The combination of RS150 and its compact USB-connected CD drive is indeed an attractive combination as it can act as CD Player, CD Ripper, HD Music Store, Streamer, DAC and Preamp. It can also directly access Youtube files and strip out ads and send the video content to a connected TV. This is surely better than using a PC to access Youtube files and send audio to a hi-fi system - complete with all those annoying ads!

    I can't help you with comarison to Bryston, but the dealer who demo'd the RS150 suggested that, from a sound quality viewpoint, the Auralic Altair G2.1 may be a better bet, though of course it offers far fewer features.

    My own major criticism of the Rose is it's poor control app. I use BluOS to control my NAD M33 on PC, iPad or Android (also available on Kindle, Mac and the likes of Alexa) and it's very nearly as comprehensive as Roon. I suspect the most Rose owners would find they need to cough up for Roon's hardware and subscription requirements. So, I'm sticking with my exceptionally good M33 until I find something that genuinely offers better SQ and matches its BluOS app capabilities.

    I hope this helps. Peter
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    Re: HiFi Rose RS150 Network Streamer Review

    Quote Originally Posted by Hear Here View Post
    The combination of RS150 and its compact USB-connected CD drive is indeed an attractive combination as it can act as CD Player, CD Ripper, HD Music Store, Streamer, DAC and Preamp. It can also directly access Youtube files and strip out ads and send the video content to a connected TV. This is surely better than using a PC to access Youtube files and send audio to a hi-fi system - complete with all those annoying ads!

    I can't help you with comarison to Bryston, but the dealer who demo'd the RS150 suggested that, from a sound quality viewpoint, the Auralic Altair G2.1 may be a better bet, though of course it offers far fewer features.

    My own major criticism of the Rose is it's poor control app. I use BluOS to control my NAD M33 on PC, iPad or Android (also available on Kindle, Mac and the likes of Alexa) and it's very nearly as comprehensive as Roon. I suspect the most Rose owners would find they need to cough up for Roon's hardware and subscription requirements. So, I'm sticking with my exceptionally good M33 until I find something that genuinely offers better SQ and matches its BluOS app capabilities.

    I hope this helps. Peter
    I have never used the 150B control app as I long ago coughed up the money for a Roon Nucleus+ and a Roon subscription (not to mention a Quobuz subscription). The HiFi Rose 150B is a screaming bargain in the world of high-end audio. It's built like a tank (machined from a solid billet of aluminum), it's well designed and engineered, and it has a built in linear power supply. Oh, and it also has one of the sexiest displays in all of audio DACdom. None of that would matter if it didn't sound great, but it does sound great IMO.
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    Re: HiFi Rose RS150 Network Streamer Review

    Peter & MEP-

    Thank you for your responses. They certainly gave me additional perspective.
    Apparently, the 150b does a lot of stuff quite well in some pretty well healed systems.

    My primary interest is listening to CD's, ripped CD's and Qobuz.

    So, as the "research" continues, again, I say THANKS!

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    Re: HiFi Rose RS150 Network Streamer Review

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnJ View Post
    Peter & MEP-

    Thank you for your responses. They certainly gave me additional perspective.
    Apparently, the 150b does a lot of stuff quite well in some pretty well healed systems.

    My primary interest is listening to CD's, ripped CD's and Qobuz.

    So, as the "research" continues, again, I say THANKS!

    John
    John - Well, here's a possible alternative, as there are very few devices that offer what you want in one box - the NAD M50.2.

    I bought this some while back as it was one of 2 single boxes that would simply PLAY a CD, or RIP it onto twin 2 TB hard drives and offer a full-fledged streamer with the best control app out there, apart from the marginally more comprehensive Roon. The latter adds hardware and a subscription that's not required with the BluOS app. Particularly good is that BluOS works on 5 platforms (including Kindle if you have one of these currently being used as a paperweight) and you can even shout at it if you have an Alexa in the house - perish the thought!

    The M50.2 doesn't have a DAC, but I guess you already have one. It offers AES/EBU, coax and optical Out and a single analogue In that it digitises in addition to coax and optical In. There a front and rear panel socket for USB sticks. The twin HDs offer some degree of security as they both hold all your music files. Ripping is straight-forward, though its reporting of rip results is not a good as my previous (though nowhere near os competent) RipNAS

    The front panel touch screen display shows what you're listening to (from Library or streaming service) and you can even squirt this artwork onto your TV screen via HDMI (non-ARC).

    When I bought it, there was only one alternative that optionally played or ripped a CD - the French Metronome at 3 times the price.

    There's only one thing I have against the M50.2. It comes with no User Guide and the online guide offers little more than labels for the front and back panel sockets, etc. It's been out long enough that you're likely to find good used ones, possibly with a thousand or so albums on its hard drives. Easy to ditch them - or enjoy the extra free music!

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    PS - After my Rose RS150 demo, I've somewhat lost my enthusiasm as the control app is dire and complex and it worries me that there are so many listed on the used market sites. It really does need Roon to work efficiently which the NAD doesn't. If you aready have DAC and amp, then the M50.2 is worth a good look.
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    Re: HiFi Rose RS150 Network Streamer Review

    Peter-

    Thank you for the details on the NAD. It is certainly an interesting product.
    Although my dealer of choice does not carry NAD, I will keep not in mind.

    Enjoy the Sounds,

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnJ View Post
    Peter-

    Thank you for the details on the NAD. It is certainly an interesting product.
    Although my dealer of choice does not carry NAD, I will keep not in mind.

    Enjoy the Sounds,

    John
    The trouble is that some of these former "mid-fi" brands are overlooked by dealers of fancy stuff! NAD's Master Series is seriously good and is so much better value as they sell in large volumes. In turn, this allows them generous R&D budgets, so the end result compares well with smaller brands where the cost is often 2 to 3 times that of NAD, but at comparable quality.

    Try to get a loan M50.2. I now use mine mainly as a server as I also have the M33 all-in-one that includes streamer. The M50.2 is used when I have CDs to play or rip and as the server for my 1500 ripped CDs.

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    Re: HiFi Rose RS150 Network Streamer Review

    Peter-

    You certainly make a case for the NAD; a nice all inclusive digital hardware package just add DAC.

    With so much good stuff out there, making a choice can be daunting. It's great to have forums like this to know of other's experiences and preferences and then meld it all into one's own specific desired outcomes.

    Enjoy the Sounds!.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hear Here View Post
    My own major criticism of the Rose is it's poor control app.
    Funny... Everything I've read about the RS150B and or watched on YouTube, everyone raves about the HiFi Rose app, saying it's nearly as good as Roon. So I'm not sure where you came up with their app being "poor".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hear Here View Post
    PS - After my Rose RS150 demo, I've somewhat lost my enthusiasm as the control app is dire and complex and it worries me that there are so many listed on the used market sites.
    I missed this statement yesterday...

    And as I have had some time to research it, looking at all of the available "used" audio sites, eBay, AudioGon, USAudiomart, TMR Audio, etc, etc, I only saw one RS150B that was an "open box" unit that was being sold at a slightly reduced price. All of the other RS150B's I saw were all listed as brand new, selling for the listed retail price of $4995.

    Any HiFi Rose items that were selling as "used" were anything BUT the RS150B. Heck, I didn't even see a single original RS150 with the AK chipset.

    Again, I question where you get your information from regarding the RS150B.



    And as a side note, the RS150B really does NOT need Roon to work efficiently. It can and does exceptionally well on its own with its provided apps, save for having a dedicated app for Apple and Windows computer OS'.
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    Re: HiFi Rose RS150 Network Streamer Review

    Mep.
    I was the owner of dsj and i love the sound of it.
    Im thinking to replace dsj with rs150.
    Is is worth it? How you can describe the sound of these two? I'm referring to the the dac section.
    My best ..

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    Re: HiFi Rose RS150 Network Streamer Review

    Mep.
    I was the owner of dsj and i love the sound of it.
    Im thinking to replace dsj with rs150.
    Is is worth it? How you can describe the sound of these two? I'm referring to the the dac section.
    My best ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    I'm using the DAC built into the 150B. The DSJ is for sale.
    Mep.
    I was the owner of dsj and i love the sound of it.
    Im thinking to replace dsj with rs150.
    Is is worth it? How you can describe the sound of these two? I'm referring to the the dac section.
    My best ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by klamia71 View Post
    Mep.
    I was the owner of dsj and i love the sound of it.
    Im thinking to replace dsj with rs150.
    Is is worth it? How you can describe the sound of these two? I'm referring to the the dac section.
    My best ..
    To me, it's unbelievable that the 150B only retails for $1k more than the DSJ. I too loved the sound of the DSJ depending on which software update you are running.

    For me, the sound of the 150B is at a higher SQ level than the DSJ. Every recording sounds more real to me. Maybe because the 150B doesn't covert PCM to DSD and then upsample the file.

    I could go on and on about all the features the 150B has compared to the DSJ, but the main thing is the SQ. If you choose to buy the 150B, I would be amazed if you weren't happy with your decision.

    Which reminds me, I need to put my DSJ up for sale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    To me, it's unbelievable that the 150B only retails for $1k more than the DSJ. I too loved the sound of the DSJ depending on which software update you are running.

    For me, the sound of the 150B is at a higher SQ level than the DSJ. Every recording sounds more real to me. Maybe because the 150B doesn't covert PCM to DSD and then upsample the file.

    I could go on and on about all the features the 150B has compared to the DSJ, but the main thing is the SQ. If you choose to buy the 150B, I would be amazed if you weren't happy with your decision.

    Which reminds me, I need to put my DSJ up for sale.

    Thank you for the answer
    As i said i loved the sound of dsj and i was thinking to upgrade it with a ps audio direct stream dac. if the 150 has a sound of the same level as the ξ (let alone if it has a better one as you said) with the tones of rs150 feature's i will go definitely for it...

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    Re: HiFi Rose RS150 Network Streamer Review

    I went today to the dealer to check out the IRS 150 to be honest I was a bit disappointed with the resolution of the screen it was lower than I was expected so I postpone the purchase to think about it a little bit more

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    I visited a dealer recently to listen to the RS150. It was good but perplexingly complicated to control compared with BluOS or Roon controlled streamers. The dealer was more keen to sell me a different brand that he considered sounded better at similar price, but I passed on both because I consider user interface very important and the Rose lacked this in spades, although the LED display is seductive!

    Also, I wonder if someone can offer a reason why I get so many alerts about RS150s from used equipment sites when items on my Wish List are advertised. There are more Rose RS150 alerts than any other equipment I have an interest in. And often at prices way below what currently-available equipment would expect to achieve.

    The only other match in terms of numbers that turn up on the used market is the Hegel H390. Again I wonder why. I guess there is lots of other kit that isn't on my Wish List that turns up equally frequently, but that's another matter. In both instances (RS150 and Hegel H390) I’m looking at Europe-based adverts.

    PS - Another 2 RS150Bs freshly listed today at €2700 and €3100. Tempting at that sort of asking price!
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    Re: HiFi Rose RS150 Network Streamer Review

    Quote Originally Posted by klamia71 View Post
    I went today to the dealer to check out the IRS 150 to be honest I was a bit disappointed with the resolution of the screen it was lower than I was expected so I postpone the purchase to think about it a little bit more
    Seriously? What DAC/Streamer comes close to how good the screen is on the 150B?
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    Re: HiFi Rose RS150 Network Streamer Review

    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    Seriously? What DAC/Streamer comes close to how good the screen is on the 150B?
    Lol... None. Because there is none with that kind of screen. But as the best feature of this device ive expected higher screen resolution. From closer distance is obvious. The letters for example are appeared distorted and not clean. I owned a NAd T778 and i assure you that the screen is far-far better.. comparing to Nad's screen i was a bit disappointed. I can't say about the sound quality .

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    Re: HiFi Rose RS150 Network Streamer Review

    Quote Originally Posted by Hear Here View Post
    I visited a dealer recently to listen to the RS150. It was good but perplexingly complicated to control compared with BluOS or Roon controlled streamers. The dealer was more keen to sell me a different brand that he considered sounded better at similar rice, but I passed on both because I consider user interface very important and the Rose lacked this in spades, although the LED display is seductive!

    Also, I wonder if someone can offer a reason why I get so many alerts about RS150s from used equipment sites when items on my Wish List are advertised. There are more Rose RS150 alerts than any other equipment I have an interest in. And often at prices way below what currently-available equipment would expect to achieve.

    The only other match in terms of numbers that turn up on the used market is the Hegel H390. Again I wonder why. I guess there is lots of other kit that isn't on my Wish List that turns up equally frequently, but that's another matter. In both instances (RS150 and Hegel H390) I’m looking at Europe-based adverts.

    PS - Another 2 RS150Bs freshly listed today at €2700 and €3100. Tempting at that sort of asking price!
    I am running my 150B with my Roon Nucleus+ and it couldn't be more simple to setup and operate. As for why people in the UK are putting theirs up for sale at numbers that you think are high, who knows? There are no shortages of audiophiles who are seldom happy with purchases for long and they constantly flip their gear.
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    Re: HiFi Rose RS150 Network Streamer Review

    Quote Originally Posted by klamia71 View Post
    Lol... None. Because there is none with that kind of screen. But as the best feature of this device ive expected higher screen resolution. From closer distance is obvious. The letters for example are appeared distorted and not clean. I owned a NAd T778 and i assure you that the screen is far-far better.. comparing to Nad's screen i was a bit disappointed. I can't say about the sound quality .
    Who said the display was the "best" feature of the 150B? It's one of many features. I have no blurring or distortion on my screen and I have never heard/read anyone saying what you described. What is the resolution of the display on the NAD T778?
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    Re: HiFi Rose RS150 Network Streamer Review

    I don't know. But it looks much better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by klamia71 View Post
    I don't know. But it looks much better.
    I couldn't find the specs with a quick look for the NAD T778 screen, but somehow I doubt it has greater resolution than the 150B. But all this is getting way off the mark from your original question about the SQ comparison between the DSJ and the 150B.
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    Yes. You are right. First of all I'm interested at sq. I just wondered since i can find a ps audio direct stream dac for the same or lower price as used device, witch of those two could have better sq. If i wasn't disappointed from the screen I would settle for lower sq than direct stream, if ds is better.

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    Re: HiFi Rose RS150 Network Streamer Review

    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    I am running my 150B with my Roon Nucleus+ and it couldn't be more simple to setup and operate. As for why people in the UK are putting theirs up for sale at numbers that you think are high, who knows? There are no shortages of audiophiles who are seldom happy with purchases for long and they constantly flip their gear.
    Well of course with Roon, any compatible streamer works like a dream and it’s simple and intuitive to find and play music. That was precisely my point - without Roon, the Rose software is complex and the main reason I passed on it.

    The abundance of used RS150s is not just UK, but Europe-wide and I suspect N America-wide too. Just look at HiFiShark - you can select by region.

    Why should buyers of costly streamers have to buy extra kit (Nucleus) and take a subscription in Roon to effectively operate these streamers? You don't need these with a streamer that works with a well-thought out control app such as BluOS - and it's free! No doubt there are others, but sadly few and far between in the streaming world!
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    Re: HiFi Rose RS150 Network Streamer Review

    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    Seriously? What DAC/Streamer comes close to how good the screen is on the 150B?
    Take a look at the more recent NAD Master Series streamers. The M10, M33, or the forthcoming M66 all have great LED screens, but if even bigger is required, just connect an HDMI cable between these NADs and your TV and you have 65" of album artwork and other info!

    But best not to use ARC as this means your TV takes control of your hi-fi - PIA. Simple HDMI does the job better.
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