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    Re: Ethernet switch box

    It seems like you can buy a 12ft speaker cable from Amazon for $15.73 or you can buy a 12ft Viero Equilibro Level 3 speaker cable for $8128.00 (yes, you are reading the price correctly).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingrex View Post
    It has everything to do with it. Your telling people an off the shelf switch fed with cat 8 terminated on premise (I assume) is just as good as a EtherREGEN with say and AQ cinnamon cable. I believe that is hogwash. So I say your leaving performance on the table. You then imply I have no knowledge of how to make it better. Well I do, as do others who have explained all the small parts and pieces that make up a significantly better whole. Your digital system, especially the steaming portion is not optimized. An optimized steaming system will come close to the performance of stored on rhe hard drive playback. On the hard drive will beat it. But it gets good enough that you stop worrying about where the media came from. Hard drive, NAS or internet. It all sounds darn good. Yes it cost more money. Maybe $2k to $3k to do an entry to mid level package correct. After that you could spend another $3k, but that is going to bring a smaller gain than the first outlay. And for how much money people are spending on DAC and servers. Many ponying up $20k to $30k or more, its foolish to not invest the $3k to set the digital backbone right.
    I don’t own a switch, I have a router. I also didn’t tell anyone to buy an off the shelf switch to attach to their router. I also would never take advice from someone that can’t keep noise and hum out of their own system and that’s when it’s “working” at all.
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    Re: Ethernet switch box

    Quote Originally Posted by Devg View Post
    It seems like you can buy a 12ft speaker cable from Amazon for $15.73 or you can buy a 12ft Viero Equilibro Level 3 speaker cable for $8128.00 (yes, you are reading the price correctly).

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    Peanuts, How about a Emperor Double Crown Speaker Cable by Siltech , its a 2.0 meter cable for $50,000
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    Re: Ethernet switch box

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    Re: Ethernet switch box

    Quote Originally Posted by CPP View Post
    Peanuts, How about a Emperor Double Crown Speaker Cable by Siltech , its a 2.0 meter cable for $50,000
    Is the Emperor wearing clothes? Reminds me of a P. T. Barnum quote...

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    Who opened the gates of hell?
    Satan himself and he says according to his femto-clock, this thread is right on schedule to hand out the packets of serious tinnitus and 100 lashes with stock power cords to anyone continuing to fuel the flames under the molten audiophile-nervosa pot.

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    Re: Ethernet switch box

    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    I don’t own a switch, I have a router. I also didn’t tell anyone to buy an off the shelf switch to attach to their router. I also would never take advice from someone that can’t keep noise and hum out of their own system and that’s when it’s “working” at all.
    Not that you pay attention to anything I post, but my system is very quiet. For years people such as yourself said I have noise or ground loops. I spent to much time listening to your kind. I finally listened to myself and had Ralph look at my amps. He confirmed it was faulty equipment and repaired it. It was a big learning experience. One I have shared with a couple people who also have quite systems now.

    I apologize for calling your router a switch. Your router will work better with a LPS. And it will all sound better with a EtherREGEN or Gigafoil separating it from your Nuc. which should be powered by a Farad LPS. If you do start listening to me, your digital will perform at a higher more satisfying level.

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    Re: Ethernet switch box

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingrex View Post
    I apologize for calling your router a switch. Your router will work better with a LPS. And it will all sound better with a EtherREGEN or Gigafoil separating it from your Nuc. which should be powered by a Farad LPS. If you do start listening to me, your digital will perform at a higher more satisfying level.
    Sorry, I really can't take you seriously. First of all you don't know the difference between a router and a switch (as if a router will solve/immune to all the problems if it replaced a switch ) and secondly, you haven't shown any measurements......





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    So much in this hobby is way above my paycheck. But to those with what seems limitless means, its a brag. My Bugatti is faster than your Ferrari.

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    Re: Ethernet switch box

    Quote Originally Posted by Devg View Post
    Sorry, I really can't take you seriously. First of all you don't know the difference between a router and a switch (as if a router will solve/immune to all the problems if it replaced a switch ) and secondly, you haven't shown any measurements......




    What are you talking about Dev. A switch can't replace a router. A switch does not assign IP addresses. But a audiophile switch will add a layer of isolation and reclock the signal. A Gigafoil will isolate the ground planes where a lot of noise seems to reside. And it is not hard to hear a gigafoil perform a lot better with a LPS powering it. So will your router and modem sound better with a LPS replacing the wall wart.

    And heck no, I don't waste my time on white papers. Others can perform the high degree engineering. I respect those people and let them shine at what they specialize at. I read what they publish, select what I feel makes sense, then I apply products and listen.

    If more people trusted their ears and wrote from experience there would be a lot less confusion. Way to many armchair engineer think they know whats going on because their degree says so. But it's not always so in the real world.

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    Re: Ethernet switch box

    And just to throw fuel on the fire. I have received files from people, one ripped from an average cd drive on a mundane computer and another from the same cd, but ripped off a hopped up disc drive via a purpose built music server. And what do you know. Both are bit perfect, but darned if they don't sound different. And guess which is texturally more complete and natural.

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    Re: Ethernet switch box

    Quote Originally Posted by fizzletop View Post
    I power the EtherRegen from an Uptone JS2 LPS and that is a great product too and highly recommended.
    I agree about the JS-2. I use it to power an EE 8Switch and a ROON Nucleus.
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    Re: Ethernet switch box

    own an Ansuz A2 Ethernet switch box that has several low voltage outputs to activate D2, D-TS analog and digital cables. Does this switch box work properly for all types of my mentioned cables? Or do I need a low power box separetly? Has anybody experience?

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    Ethernet switch box

    We did a shootout of the Nordost QNET Vs the Synergistic Research Vs Netgear. There was no doubt at all that both the QNET and SR brought far more realism and transparency to the sonic picture. We felt that both the Nordost QNET and SR product brought the same benefits to the sound: greater transparency and realism. I have yet to try the QNET with the QSource, but I have one and can only expect another level above.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    We did a shootout of the Nordost QNET Vs the Synergistic Research Vs Netgear. There was no doubt at all that both the QNET and SR brought far more realism and transparency to the sonic picture. We felt that both the Nordost QNET and SR product brought the same benefits to the sound: greater transparency and realism. I have yet to try the QNET with the QSource, but I have one and can only expect another level above.


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    Do these switches eliminate or almost eliminate the sound quality difference between playing digital from local files and digital from a streaming service?

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    Re: Ethernet switch box

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    Do these switches eliminate or almost eliminate the sound quality difference between playing digital from local files and digital from a streaming service?
    We never did that comparison. We streamed from Qobuz for the A/B/C comparison.


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    Re: Ethernet switch box

    Quote Originally Posted by Eshram View Post
    own an Ansuz A2 Ethernet switch box that has several low voltage outputs to activate D2, D-TS analog and digital cables. Does this switch box work properly for all types of my mentioned cables? Or do I need a low power box separetly? Has anybody experience?
    If you have the Ansuz PowerSwitch it will power your Ansuz cables plus act as a Network switch.

    Not only will it do those two functions but it will also improve the quality of your network.

    I have the D2 version of the Ansuz PowerSwitch that acts as my network switch and powers my Ansuz D2 cables.

    Ansuz also make a power box but you don't need it since the PowerSwitch will do the job for you.
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    Re: Ethernet switch box

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    We did a shootout of the Nordost QNET Vs the Synergistic Research Vs Netgear. There was no doubt at all that both the QNET and SR brought far more realism and transparency to the sonic picture. We felt that both the Nordost QNET and SR product brought the same benefits to the sound: greater transparency and realism. I have yet to try the QNET with the QSource, but I have one and can only expect another level above.
    and you will get it!

    i've had the Nordost QNET switch for 3 weeks, and the Qsource LPS for a week with the premium power cable. impressed with the QNET switch, and the power supply makes a significant upgrade difference. and then 2 nights ago i added 2 of the Qpoint resonance aligners (plugged into the Qsource power supply); one each under the Wadax dac and Wadax server........oh my! that's another step up and improved the second night. i've ordered a third Qpoint for my darZTeel preamp.

    i'm a believer in this Nordost QRT gear.....it delivers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by infonut View Post
    Do these switches eliminate or almost eliminate the sound quality difference between playing digital from local files and digital from a streaming service?
    no; they reveal a bit more differences (in my particular system) between streaming and files. they tear down the veils, open the windows. files are more clearly better.....but both are superb on the Wadax. i love the streaming performance.....but files are a little better. i'm not in any way disappointed by the streaming.

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    Great info, thanks Mike. Did you happen to compare to the Etherregen previously mentioned in this thread? That would be an interesting data point IMO.
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    Re: Ethernet switch box

    Quote Originally Posted by sb6 View Post
    Great info, thanks Mike. Did you happen to compare to the Etherregen previously mentioned in this thread? That would be an interesting data point IMO.
    We didn’t. Sorry.


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    Re: Ethernet switch box

    Does anyone know what the voltages are on the Ansuz Powerswitch output that powers their cables?

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    Re: Ethernet switch box

    Haven't had the chance to read every post in this thread so Im not sure if this has even been discussed or not? My understanding is that the goal of any properly set up streaming system should equal the sound quality of a CD player? Also, would high res files formatted on my Aurender N20 always be superior to streaming? I have approx 6TB of files so not sure if I want to go to to the expense of streaming. If Qobuz ever comes to Canada then I was leaning towards the following:
    Melco-Audio s10
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    Furutech LAN-8 NCF Ethernet cable

    Any thoughts would be so appreciated.
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    Re: Ethernet switch box

    Well, first, there's streaming, and then there's streaming. The first could be "local" streaming, from a NAS for instance. Second could be "internet music service" streaming, like Qobuz or Tidal. I think they're similar enough they can be lumped together. Some might disagree, but I think playing off a networked music streamer/player with internal hard drives is also close enough to put in that group.

    My opinion is that you have much greater potential with any of the above, than with CDs. Spinning, mechanical platters are removed from the equation, as are plastic discs that erode or get damaged with time and handling. Also, with a CD you're limited to that particular recording, where with streaming services you can potentially choose among multiple recordings, including many at higher resolution bit/sample rate.

    As to comparing hi-res files played (I'd argue, "streamed") from your Aurender vs hi-res files played from an internet music service, it will be hard to tell the difference. It's not until I play DSD files from my local NAS do I start to hear a difference to hi-res streams from Qobuz. Even then, DSD are not always better, just "often".
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