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November 29, 2020, 02:26 PM #101
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Very true, ya ever noticed that ever year they come out with the latest and greatest, and for the product to be so much better than the one they came with the year before and so for and so for and along with it comes the increase of cost. Good Marketing never fails.
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November 29, 2020, 03:02 PM #102
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In my view, measurements are not the ultimate goal for audiophile component. It tremendously helps an engineer, who is not necessarily an audiophile, to start with a good design and make sure it meets all the standards. A design in practice has to be followed by listening tests as well. So its a combination of both. A great example is Matrix Audio Element X DAC which has fabulous measurements, great features along with excellent sound to boot and this is the best Sabre DAC I own. On the contrary a FirstWatt SIT-3 would probably measure horribly but sounds terrific in my system.
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November 29, 2020, 03:04 PM #103
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November 29, 2020, 03:35 PM #104
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Confirmation Bias and especially of the group/mass type really helps. Perhaps it doesn't even matter whether there is a meaningful difference or not. If one believes it made the system better, perhaps in some quantum entanglement kind of a way, it really does. No one gets hurt.. well the wallet may get a bit grumpy and upset but it will get over it.
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November 29, 2020, 04:26 PM #105
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November 29, 2020, 04:39 PM #106
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There are no absolutes in this hobby. Too many variables come into play with the workings of a persons brain possibly the most significant.
Maybe the definition of an Audiophile should be someone who feels the need to tell others that they are/aren't hearing.Jim
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November 29, 2020, 04:46 PM #107
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November 29, 2020, 04:58 PM #108
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November 29, 2020, 05:25 PM #110Micro Seiki SX-8000 air bearing table, SME 312s arm, SME 3012R arn, Dynavector XV-1s cartridge, Lyra Etna SL cartridge, ARC Ref 3 phono stage, Otari MX-55 2 track R2R, Ampex 350 tape repros, Roon Nucleus Plus music server, HiFi Rose 150B DAC, ARC Ref 6, ARC Ref 75 with KT-150s, Parasound JC5 amp , JBL 4345 speakers, Viero Equilibro Level 3 speaker cables, and Definitive Technology Ref subs.
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November 29, 2020, 05:27 PM #111
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I post what I experience, if it helps someone, great.
Somewhat frustrating to read a lot of the negative banter that turns into personal insults, especially coming from the sidelines from arm chair quarter backs not on the field playing the game.
Stillone is right IMO as many other points, there are lot of variables down to the listener and either something works or it doesn’t.
Numbers do cast awareness, but nothing to live or die by and certainly not worth a lick of emotion.
If it sounds good is all that matters, and I hope no one is hesitant doing what they feel is right cause of this type of BS.
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November 29, 2020, 06:06 PM #112
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The difficulty in separating useful opinions from trolls and shills is well known by now, and is not a bad reason to be skeptical. Look at Amazon's half-hearted vetting of the product reviews on their site; the well meaning and perhaps necessary attempts at weeding out those posts leads invariably to cries of censorship. Even before the Internet became ubiquitous, similar problems in our little world of high-end audio applied to publications and reviewers; accommodation pricing, pay-to-play reviewing, even reviewing one's own product and hiding the fact all eventually became well-known. If you don't know much (or anything) about a poster it may be hard to take his/her posts seriously if they are significantly at odds with one's own experience.
Posters sharing their experience and opinions, clearly expressed as such is one thing; telling others you are right and they are wrong, and/or couching your opinions as proven facts is another matter entirely. If I have spent any time with a given person listening to the same system at the same time and sharing opinions I have a good idea of what weight I personally should give to that person's opinions; otherwise it's a bit of a crapshoot. That's one thing I like about audio shows, the chance to actually listen simultaneously and share impressions with reviewers and other more mundane audiophiles; that works even if the rooms and equipment are not at their best.Rob
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November 29, 2020, 06:28 PM #113
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At the end of the day, we all post our experiences. And when you snipe about armchair quarterbacks not on the field playing the game, I guess you need to identify the game you are playing. I have a rack dedicated to my digital gear. I have my own network in my dedicated stereo room. I paid an electrician to run Cat 8 cable from the room downstairs where the router/modem is located to my stereo room upstairs. My Netgear router is plugged into the wall jack my electrician installed next to my digital rack. Both my Roon Nucleus+ and my DSJ are plugged into the Netgear router. I have subscriptions to both Tidal and Quobuz.
I’m happy with the performance of my digital rig. I have zero noise issues. I don’t suffer from dropouts when streaming. So, I’m in the game, but some of us are playing different games. I’m a believer in keeping your network as simple as possible so that’s the digital game I’m playing.Micro Seiki SX-8000 air bearing table, SME 312s arm, SME 3012R arn, Dynavector XV-1s cartridge, Lyra Etna SL cartridge, ARC Ref 3 phono stage, Otari MX-55 2 track R2R, Ampex 350 tape repros, Roon Nucleus Plus music server, HiFi Rose 150B DAC, ARC Ref 6, ARC Ref 75 with KT-150s, Parasound JC5 amp , JBL 4345 speakers, Viero Equilibro Level 3 speaker cables, and Definitive Technology Ref subs.
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November 29, 2020, 07:10 PM #114
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If your digital rig is connected to the network, it actually helps tremendously optimizing it, unless you have a component designed from ground up to have no effect on Ethernet.
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November 29, 2020, 07:40 PM #115
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November 29, 2020, 09:26 PM #116
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It means the device is devoid of all hash/gremlins that comes as part of network connectivity - both physical (ground noise, etc) and from network protocol perspective. Ethernet phys are transformer coupled but somehow still noise gets in, so how do you deal with this at the physical aspect - one solution is to use fiber. The other comes from packet processing aspect that happens inside the device. A simple network event causes a ton of churn within which is very detrimental to sound. Segregating and isolating network at different levels (routers, switches, protocol configuration, playback software, OS optimization, coalescing, core isolation, etc) is the key to get good digital audio for streaming devices, more so than an expensive use of USB cable.
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November 30, 2020, 12:22 AM #117Rob
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November 30, 2020, 12:32 AM #118
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November 30, 2020, 12:39 AM #119
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Puma Cat, nice article. I did not know that was you. I read it today.
I just read the Audio Science review Mike posted the link too. An interesting point was made by the author and something I have found testing switches. The buffer is so large when you go and swap cables to change the switch, you are still listening to the original data from the first switch. The only way to really hear what a switch is doing is to stop the music. Close it out to kill the buffer which may be the entire song. Change the cables, then reload the song.
I have heard Ultrafast system many times. I have also come to appreciate UltraF has a golden ear. He catches subtle detail others miss. He was at my house one day with some toys to show me, and he was much quicker at identifying the changes than I was. But I did hear what he heard and in the end changed out a bunch of footers to a large benefit in my setup. What I am saying is, he is spot on when he tells you the EtherREGEN works. But it does not stop at a stock EtherREGEN. Your still leaving performance on the table. The Power Supply matters. The footers under the unit matter. The base the unit sits on matters. The cables tying the network together matter. It all matters if you want to get the best sound. But the EtherREGEN is a good start as a stand alone product. It will take away digital artifacts that make you cringe at times with digital.
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November 30, 2020, 09:00 AM #122
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November 30, 2020, 09:32 AM #123
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I don't feel the need to add digital dingleberries to my network to chase after the ghosts of "hash/gremlins" that I can't hear. Funny how people can convince other people they need to spend money on solutions in search of problems. This is another 'don't believe your ears' fairy tale that claims that even though your system is dead drop quiet, you have hash and gremlins running amok in your network and they just robbed the digital goodness store at 5th and Market St.
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November 30, 2020, 09:34 AM #124
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November 30, 2020, 09:41 AM #125Micro Seiki SX-8000 air bearing table, SME 312s arm, SME 3012R arn, Dynavector XV-1s cartridge, Lyra Etna SL cartridge, ARC Ref 3 phono stage, Otari MX-55 2 track R2R, Ampex 350 tape repros, Roon Nucleus Plus music server, HiFi Rose 150B DAC, ARC Ref 6, ARC Ref 75 with KT-150s, Parasound JC5 amp , JBL 4345 speakers, Viero Equilibro Level 3 speaker cables, and Definitive Technology Ref subs.
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November 30, 2020, 11:39 AM #126
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You guys have made a good point for not streaming, although many users enjoy streaming. Therefore to each his/her own! I do not stream because I am so much worried about my network, etc. I figure whatever can happen to the signal has long since happened to it before it actually reaches my house. I don't stream because I prefer to have the digital part of my music library stored local on my server. I also do not want my streaming to take up bandwidth from other devices and users on my network, my wife, etc.
Also, I see people making an argument for optical versus ethernet. Ok, I see what you are trying to say except one major aspect. This is converting the signal to optical to be transmitted as light streams and then converting it back to electronic impulses (if I termed it correctly?) on the receiving end. I personal believe that any possible gains transmitting the data may be lost in the converting stages, unless you are sending your signal great distances (in your house, no matter how big your home is you are not sending it great distances).McIntosh C49, MC152, MR85, R778 | T+A DAC 8 DSD | KEF LS50 Meta w/S2, KC62 (x2) | Rega RP8, Ania Pro, NEO PSU | Technics SL-1500C | Audio Technica VM750ML | Hexmat Eclipse, Yellow Bird, Molekula, Molekula Mini | Pro-Ject VC-E | Falcon NW PC Server (Roon Core & HQPlayer) | Microsoft Surface Pro 6 (Roon Controller) | Wyred 4 Sound ISO Recovery, DC Recovery | Abyss Diana Phi | Schiit Jotunheim 2 | Astell&Kern SE200 | Oppo BDP105
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November 30, 2020, 12:18 PM #127
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And we haven't even mentioned hot rod clocks. Let's face it, there are audiophiles who love adding as many devices as they can to their streaming network and that doesn't include power cords designed for digital gear because digital gear needs different power from your wall outlets, linear power supplies to replace all wall warts, and very expensive audiophile grade Ethernet cables. It's a deep digital rabbit hole that some audiophiles delight in exploring. Nothing wrong with that of course, that's what makes this hobby interesting. And if your digital really is improved sonically because of all the digital dingleberries you added to your digital rig, that's icing on the digital cake.
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November 30, 2020, 12:30 PM #128
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I'm not sure replacing a SMPS with a LPS qualifies as adding a dingleberry. I can't speak for all applications, but replacing the the SMPS in my Oppo 205 with a dedicated LPS (and not a particularly expensive one, much cheaper than most audiophile AC cords) resulted in a substantial improvement, easily noticeable because I have 2 and was able to directly compare the LPS to the SMPS. Quickly and reliably audible with blind A/B testing.
People building their own music servers also notice this phenomenon (as do manufacturers). Whether it applies to every component using a SMPS I couldn't say.Rob
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November 30, 2020, 12:37 PM #129
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I think what MEP means, is the horde of USB, Ethernet switch boxes, fancy cables, network isolators JItter fixers for these two items etc.. not SMPS or LPS. But ! of course I could be wrong.
I do know the Berkley Alpha USB device made a different when I used it. BUt its my ears.2chl : Vincent Sp331MkII, W4S STP-SE Stage 2, Kef 201/2, KEF 140, Vapor Breeze, Lumin, Bryston CD, BHA-1, Quicksilver Headamp, HD650, HD800s, HD820's, Dan Clark 1.1, Focal Stellia, OPPO 203, 105. ( Boxed up: Pass Xa-30.5, VPI Classic, Dynavector DV-20XL, Manley Chinook, Cadenza Bronze)
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November 30, 2020, 12:40 PM #130
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November 30, 2020, 12:43 PM #131
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November 30, 2020, 12:59 PM #132
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I do think he was referring to replacing SMPS with LPS as unnecessary, and I was responding with my opinion and experience for only a couple of specific and limited situations
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November 30, 2020, 01:38 PM #133
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November 30, 2020, 01:53 PM #134
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I would then postulate that no matter what one does at the receiving end to optimize the signal, streaming will never equal the quality of the same recording not streamed (i.e., played from CD, hi-res file, or whatever the source of the stream). As you say, many have reported this to be their experience.
I don’t think it is at all analogous to what happens with AC power.Rob
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Fine with me and I don't really care. I am not trying to convince anybody, except documenting some facts which are very misleading, for example one really can't hear noise directly but its manifestation. Some of the etherRegen claims may be just bogus but that doesn't mean its not helping the network at all. It does and so does some other non-audiophile switches as well (I won't name names).
Bits are bits, right ? Why on earth do you think manufactures are building high-end music servers ? If not all but some are indeed tackling some of the very nastiness of digital tit-bits and just not for some gimmicks.
Unfortunately, no one (I literally mean no one) has ever found a way to measure anything or prove anything. Being an engineer dealing with extreme high-speed data myself in my professional life, I was a naysayer (just like many of us), until I started to use some of my own and it all started just as a DIY experiment. I know very well the concept of "searching of a problem for a solution that doesn't exist" and hence I dwindle down the road with extreme caution
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Unfortunately what you personally believe is incorrect. Nothing is lost in converting stages - they are extremely fast and handled at line rates. One thing that can possibly effect the SQ is the transmitted noise from the convertor chip (they are indeed high speed intefaces) but that can be handled with good design, like eR or Sonore Optical Module.
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November 30, 2020, 02:48 PM #140
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To the latter, one is in the audio signal line, one isn’t. That doesn’t necessarily mean each isn’t important, only that they aren’t very analogous.
To the first, $40-$50k to “beat” how expensive a CD player? And how about a 24/192 or DSD128 file through a “modest” DAC (Lampi, MSB, whatever)?Rob
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November 30, 2020, 02:52 PM #141
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Actually, there are folks who have devised objective testing and measuring methods for the things that you mentioned in your post. For example, the two articles below discuss "Bits are bits" and "high-end music servers".
Archimago's Musings: MUSINGS / DEMO: Why "Bits Are Bits". Let's not add unnecessary fear, uncertainty, and doubt.
Archimago's Musings: MUSINGS: Windows Server 2019 update, RSC performance issues with Aquantia 10GbE AQC107, and expensive audiophile server computers (like the Wolf Audio Alpha 3 SX)...
There is also an article about Ethernet Switch Boxes as well:
Archimago's Musings: MUSINGS/MEASUREMENTS: Netgear Nighthawk S8000 (and audiophile ethernet switches)
The methodology and equipment used are detailed by the author.
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Ok, point taken. I was only referring to the last couple stretches in both the cases as it effects the final results equally but I see your point.
See, I am not buying any of those servers. I am a poor audiophile on a DIY route One thing to note, the bit-rates 24/192 or 384 or 768 or 1536 or DSD64, 128, 256, 512, 1024, 2048 has nothing to do with the server if you are playing them in native resolution and you have sufficient network bandwidth when streaming. Once you start upsampling in the software, its a different ball game altogether.
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November 30, 2020, 03:14 PM #143
Re: Ethernet switch box
And here I was starting to like you ... as I said, I do not have knowledge of the convertors but formed an opinion (that could be and appears to be incorrect) from many years working in the computer field.
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November 30, 2020, 03:30 PM #144
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Re: Ethernet switch box
Does anyone have any experience with this switch or have compared it to the EtherREGEN:
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November 30, 2020, 03:34 PM #145
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The advantage is not about network bandwidth or anything remotely to do with networking. With copper RJ45 or Fiber, you basically get exactly the same speed, the same latency and same everything related to networking. The advantage is mainly to eliminate the ground noise - now if you don't have any of the ground noise, then you are really golden and you can sit back, relax and enjoy the music
fyi, I am honestly trying to explain some of the stuff which I think many has misconception. I am not trying to sell anybody anything or recommend one product or the other if you read back all my posts.
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November 30, 2020, 03:39 PM #146
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November 30, 2020, 03:40 PM #147
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You were the one who mentioned the Taiko with Melco switches And you mentioned CD player, I was merely throwing out some other formats to compare.
Don't you think playing a home storage file with whatever network one has is likely to sound better than streaming it from Tidal or Qobuz?Rob
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November 30, 2020, 03:56 PM #148
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Well, the recommendation was if you want the best out of streaming.
No, theoretically they should sound the same. The question is not so much about if the data is in the internet datacenter vs in your home. It's more to do with network connectivity with the server/streamer/DAC. Having said that and after many experiments, I have abandoned my NAS and moved everything on local drive running in the server. So my audio path is not directly attached to the networking subsystem.
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