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    Cybershaft users; I need your assistance.

    Currently using Aurender N20 music server/streamer with Esoteric K-01XD DAC/CD-SACD unit. The Aurender N20 is connected to the K-01XD via USB. My digital listening is 50/50 streaming v. optical media (CD/SACD).

    I need some guidance on which Cybershaft clock to consider. I've had numerous exchanges with Kenji Hasegawa of Cybershaft, but once I go to the Cybershaft web shop I come away confused.

    I have focused on the 4 input models, primarily the OP21A-D and OP21E-D. I am not certain (in addition to the price) what the differences between the two are aside from a slightly lower "Allan Deviation.”

    Based on Mr. Hasegawa's recommendation any model I purchase should include the external power supply. Should the "spike insulators" also be considered a must have?

    I will be eternally grateful for any insight and help in narrowing down the field. Thanks- Matt
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    Re: Cybershaft users; I need your assistance.

    Good questions! I look forward to the information as I’ve been considering a Cybershaft for my Esoteric N01XD.
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    Re: Cybershaft users; I need your assistance.

    And why not an Esoteric master clock generator?
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    Re: Cybershaft users; I need your assistance.

    Quote Originally Posted by brodricj View Post
    And why not an Esoteric master clock generator?
    The Esoteric is beyond the budget allocated for this part of the system. Unless Mike is feeling the urge to make me an offer I can’t refuse.
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    Re: Cybershaft users; I need your assistance.

    Whether you use Cybershaft or Esoteric, you're still going to be up for a $2K clock cable per device that needs to be figured into the budget.
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    Cybershaft users; I need your assistance.

    [mention]SCAudiophile [/mention] is the Cybershaft expert.

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    Re: Cybershaft users; I need your assistance.

    Still looking for information regarding the proper Cybershaft clock for my system. My confusion surrounds whether I should get a single or multiple output master clock.

    Reading the Aurender N20 and and Esoteric K01XD manuals, it appears that an external clock will have no effect when the 2 devices are connected via USB. Am I mistaken?

    Anyone using an external clock with an Aurender server/streamer connected via USB to an Esoteric transport/DAC?

    I've reached out to the manufacturers but have not heard back.
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    Digital cables; Shunyata Sigma USB & Ethernet
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    Re: Cybershaft users; I need your assistance.

    Do the multiple. You can then clock the aurender off it too. Different ohm rated cable, but the Cybershaft has adjustments on the back to accommodate.


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    Re: Cybershaft users; I need your assistance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Do the multiple. You can then clock the aurender off it too. Different ohm rated cable, but the Cybershaft has adjustments on the back to accommodate.


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    Hey Mike, thanks for the suggestion. I think I am leaning in that direction.

    I did hear back from Aurender and it appears there are 2 use cases for an external clock in my current system based on which digital input is utilized on the DAC (K-01XD).

    Use case 1 is continue to use the asynchronous USB connection between the N20 and K-01XD and connect only the K-01XD to an external master clock. The external clock should improve the overall signal path of the DAC and everything connected to it. Aurender made it clear that connecting the N20 to the external clock should have no effect while using USB. In this application a single output external clock could be used with one clock cable.

    Use case 2 is to connect both the N20 and K-01XD to the external master clock and use the S/PDIF or optical digital input of the DAC (the K-01XD has 3 digital inputs; USB, optical, and S/PDIF via RCA) to connect to the N20. This scenario requires an appropriate digital cable, a 2 output external clock and an additional clock cable.

    It seems impossible to predict which scenario would sound better without trying both. I asked Aurender if there are an problems with connecting 2 digital outputs at the same time. This could make comparing the sound of the different inputs/outputs somewhat easier by being able to toggle between them with the remote on the K-01XD.

    Waiting to hear back from Aurender but leaning towards trying one of the alternative digital outs on the N20.
    Preamp; ARC Ref5 SE with w/ Shunyata Alpha V2 NR PC (C19)
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    Digital cables; Shunyata Sigma USB & Ethernet
    Amplifier; ARC Ref150 SE w/ Nordost Valhalla V2 PC (C19)
    Speakers; Magico A5 w/Apods, Nordost Valhalla V2 speaker cable
    Power; Shunyata Denali 6000/s V2 w/ Sigma XC PC
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    Re: Cybershaft users; I need your assistance.

    Quote Originally Posted by mxk116 View Post
    Hey Mike, thanks for the suggestion. I think I am leaning in that direction.

    I did hear back from Aurender and it appears there are 2 use cases for an external clock in my current system based on which digital input is utilized on the DAC (K-01XD).

    Use case 1 is continue to use the asynchronous USB connection between the N20 and K-01XD and connect only the K-01XD to an external master clock. The external clock should improve the overall signal path of the DAC and everything connected to it. Aurender made it clear that connecting the N20 to the external clock should have no effect while using USB. In this application a single output external clock could be used with one clock cable.

    Use case 2 is to connect both the N20 and K-01XD to the external master clock and use the S/PDIF or optical digital input of the DAC (the K-01XD has 3 digital inputs; USB, optical, and S/PDIF via RCA) to connect to the N20. This scenario requires an appropriate digital cable, a 2 output external clock and an additional clock cable.

    It seems impossible to predict which scenario would sound better without trying both. I asked Aurender if there are an problems with connecting 2 digital outputs at the same time. This could make comparing the sound of the different inputs/outputs somewhat easier by being able to toggle between them with the remote on the K-01XD.

    Waiting to hear back from Aurender but leaning towards trying one of the alternative digital outs on the N20.
    I would do Use Case 2. I’ve tried both.


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    Re: Cybershaft users; I need your assistance.

    That looks like the best alternative. I have a Kimber Select S/PDIF RCA cable on hand that I’ll try once I order the master clock. Which Cybershaft are you using?
    Preamp; ARC Ref5 SE with w/ Shunyata Alpha V2 NR PC (C19)
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    Digital cables; Shunyata Sigma USB & Ethernet
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    Speakers; Magico A5 w/Apods, Nordost Valhalla V2 speaker cable
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    Re: Cybershaft users; I need your assistance.

    Case 3: Sell a child or wife or something valuable and buy G1X.

    Alternatively, Case 2. No need for dual output clock, just split the single output with a BNC tee.
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    Cybershaft users; I need your assistance.

    You ideally want 50 ohm for Esoteric, 75 ohm for Aurender - output and 50 ohm and 75 ohm cables to match.


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    Re: Cybershaft users; I need your assistance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    I would do Use Case 2. I’ve tried both.


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    To close the loop regarding A/B comparisons of the USB and S/PDIF connections on the N20, according to Aurender the N20 "sends the same info to all digital outs simultaneously so all outputs are live at all times."

    This confirms for me that Use Case 2 is the best path forward for me.
    Preamp; ARC Ref5 SE with w/ Shunyata Alpha V2 NR PC (C19)
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    Digital cables; Shunyata Sigma USB & Ethernet
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