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October 30, 2020, 02:29 PM #51
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Re: Could you survive with streaming music only?
Yes, I’m not talking about anything like that. I had a turntable first (and before this my dad had a reel to reel and a turntable). I listened to the same music multiple times using this media. Then CDs (and after that SACDs) came out and I had a CD system listening to different music multiple times, etc. Those sound images are ingrained in my mind.
I’m not speaking about listening in a car, or just one speaker - LOL - yes a little extreme. Even now the majority of the time my car radio is off, unless my wife is listening to it. It’s just not enjoyable to me - never was.
If all there was is Qobuz, I won’t even bother owning a system. To me that would just a high end system playing a high end radio station. There would be no point, at least for me.
I use Qobuz when I’m ill and can’t get up to change CDs. And even then the majority of the time I use ripped CDs, which IMO sound better than just Qobuz. This is not to say that Qobuz isn’t good - and in time I believe the other factos that effect it will improve - but for now physical media is better and what I enjoy.
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October 30, 2020, 02:52 PM #52
Re: Could you survive with streaming music only?
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Secondary - OPPO 93 > VAC CLA 1 MKII Pre > Odyssey Stratos > Dynaudio Audience 82s > Tara Labs Cables
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October 30, 2020, 07:22 PM #53
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Re: Could you survive with streaming music only?
I do stream most of the time, BUT, I love the physical media and could not give it up.
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October 30, 2020, 10:35 PM #54
Could you survive with streaming music only?
I find streaming the most practical medium, so I use it a lots. Roon makes all the difference to me, despite its deficiencies. Just last week I was not happy at the summerhouse, having to put up with the Aurender and its crappy UI.
But I also enjoy my vinyls, collecting and playing them. CDs I only buy, when nothing else is available. But then I immediately rip them. Don’t really see the point in downloads anymore, as I do get very good streaming quality.
For me its like reading: I buy hardcover books of stuff I’m really interested in (vinyl), and sometimes there are only paperbacks (CDs) or digital versions (downloads). But most of the reading is online, staying up-to-date with things, learning new stuff, exploring new ideas, and novel lines of thought (streaming). To browse though new stuff, and look for specific things when following associations crossing my mind, I Google (Roon).
Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk“Life’s too short to listen to bad audio.”
Big rig: Brinkmann Taurus DD TT + 12.1 arm + Lyra Etna Lambda SL MC + HRS M3X2/ Cardas Clear Beyond phono/ Stillpoints LPI/ Brinkmann Edison mk2 phono + RöNT II Tube PS/ Synology NAS with Roon + HD Plex linear PSU + Shunyata HD/ AQ Vodka RJ45 + Aqvox Network Switch SE + AQ Diamond RJ45 into DAC/ Brinkmann Nyquist mk2/ Audionet Humboldt/ Cardas Clear Beyond ICs/ Kharma DB9-S 1.1 LS/ Inakustik Reference LS 4004 AIR/ Audioquest Niagara 5000/ Shunyata Alpha power (HC, Analogue, Digital)/ Finite Elemente Pagode Rack/ Stillpoints Ultra SS/ Vicoustic panels + Stillpoints Aperture II.
Small rig: Naim UnitiServe/ Curious USB/ Tidal/ Linn Klimax DS3/ Shunyata Power cable/ Pass Labs INT-60/ Acoustic Zen Silver Reference II/ HiD Diamond 8/ Harbeth 30.2 40th Anniversary/ Shunyata Venom EU7 & Venom 3 HD.
HP rig: MacBookAir/ Tidal/ Auralic Gemini 2000/ Sbooster LPSU/ Audeze LCD-2 Classic + WyWires Red/ Shunyata HD/ Shunyata Hydra 2/ Shunyata Venom.
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October 31, 2020, 11:12 AM #55
Re: Could you survive with streaming music only?
Yes! In spite of owning 4,000 LPs and many CDs, I stream exclusively, subscribing to both Qobuz and Tidal. Roon makes it a rich and effortless experience, offering up almost all of the world's music, and making it extremely easy to find whatever I wish. SQ is excellent.
Tom
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SoundLab Ultimate-1PX Electrostatic Speakers
Pass Labs XP-32 pre, Pass Labs XA60.8 Amps
Pass Lab XP-27 phono stage
SME 20/2 table with SME V arm, Stillpoints LPI
Minus-K BM-8 passive vibration control under tt
Dynavector XV-1s, Koeitsu Rosewood Signature cartridges, Klaudio RCM
Roon Nucleus+ powered by Keces P-8 LPS
Lumin X-1 Network Music Player
3 dedicated AC lines
Shunyata Omega PC to Everest for all source devices
Typhon for each amp powered by 2 dedicated circuits
Various Shunyata Alpha & Sigma PC's throughout.
Stillpoints under everything.
City System:
Ayre KX-R Twenty Preamp
Pass Labs X-260.8 Monoblocks
Esoteric K-03 SACD Player
Roon Nucleus+powered by UpTone Audio JS-2 LPS
Lumin X-1 Network Music Player
Sound Lab Ultimate-545PX Speakers
Shunyata Hydra 8, Typhon QR
Various Shunyata Alpha & Sigma PC's throughout
Stillpoints under everything. Multiple room acoustic panels.
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November 11, 2020, 01:08 PM #56
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Re: Could you survive with streaming music only?
Yep, I believe that I could.
For discovering new music.
For portability: Qobuz and TIDAL are on my phone, meaning that I can use them with the car stereo, Bluetooth boom box, friends and family’s systems, etc. This includes those albums that I have loaded to the phone for off-line listening.
Most importantly, for sound quality: I just popped in a CD yesterday for the first time in months, and I noticed that the SQ wasn’t in any way superior to that of my Lumin T2 (all other system components being equal).
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November 17, 2020, 03:29 PM #57
Re: Could you survive with streaming music only?
Playing vinyl is still king to me.
Of course my family thinks I am crazy, they all are more than happy with Spotify and YouTube. I am not however. But, I could get by with Qobuzonly, I think. I don't want to...Amplification : Modwright LS300 - Atma-Sphere "Class D" monoblocks
Digital : MSB Premier DAC+Digital Director, Oppo 203, Sonos Port (W4S mod)
Analog : Technics SL1200G, Boulder 508
Speakers : Daedalus Audio Muse Studio
Headphone : BHSE + Voce
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November 17, 2020, 04:40 PM #58
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November 17, 2020, 10:27 PM #59
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Re: Could you survive with streaming music only?
One more thought. The OP asked “Can you survive with streaming only”.
If the user is looking for a VALUE AND SONIC proposition, digital streaming is THE best way to go because it is cheaper than any other option ($10-$15 per month to access millions of albums) and for the same amount of money, it can’t be matched sonically.
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November 17, 2020, 10:41 PM #60
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Re: Could you survive with streaming music only?
Spent a few hours yesterday closely listening and comparing streaming Qobuz to Tidal to SACD. That was was over my main system and headphones.
Neither my speakers (Harbeth 30.2) nor my reference headphones (ZMF Auteur Blackwood) are of the hyper-resolving variety but smooth, musical and very enjoyable.
The DAC used for both is Luxman D-06u and I used tube (Prima Luna Dialogue HP) and solid state (Luxman L590AXII class A) for both main system and headphone comparisons.
I did notice a difference between Qobuz and Tidal and it was that Qobuz sounded more analog to my ears. A bit more laid back in presentation, a bit quieter but definitely smoother and more musical. Not every genre (I listened to Jazz, Blues, simple acoustic arrangements and vocals as well) and not every album but Qobuz seemed more consistent and especially on the 192/24 bit recordings, it pulled ahead closer to my personal preference.
My DAC is not of MQA unfolding variety so perhaps that is the difference but Tidal MQA sounded like it had a bit of glare, hardness and artificial edginess to the sound.
It was much less noticeable on the main system vs headphones and that is to be expected. Headphones take out the speaker to room interaction and all that other stuff the gets between the pure sound and the ear.
Next up was comparing the SACD playback to streaming same album. On Qobuz, I tried to find a significant and meaningful to my ears difference and there was NONE to be found that I would consider worthwhile or to prefer one over the other.
So that settles it completely for me. I see no advantage with physical media (at least the CD/SACD variety since I don't do vinyl anymore).
As always, my system, my ears, so "YMMV" and all that Jazz.
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November 17, 2020, 11:02 PM #61
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Re: Could you survive with streaming music only?
I came to the same conclusion as well.
However, I still listen to LPs from time to time (not for convenience or expecting better sound but because I am in the mood) and I also play multichannel SACD discs from time to time just I have not bothered ripping the two or three multichannel discs that I own.
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November 17, 2020, 11:11 PM #62
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Re: Could you survive with streaming music only?
I get that. I would never suggest doing things differently than what brings one pleasure and enjoyment from the hobby. If it is vinyl and physical CD/SACD and even multi-channel stuff, so be it. For me it just stopped making sense buying and storing all the CDs and cleaning and taking care of LPs.
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November 19, 2020, 06:17 PM #63
Re: Could you survive with streaming music only?
No way. I have too many live concerts that streaming services don't have.
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkPreamp/Digital: Meitner MA3
HT Processor: Bryston SP3
Amps: Bryston 14b3, Bryston 4b3
Speakers: Kef Reference 5, Kef Reference 4c
Sub: REL Carbon Special
Power: Shunyata Denali, Bryston BIT15
Wires: Wireworld Silver Eclipse XLR & SC, Ethernet - WW Platinum USB
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November 19, 2020, 10:36 PM #64
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Re: Could you survive with streaming music only?
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November 19, 2020, 10:40 PM #65
Re: Could you survive with streaming music only?
I have hundreds of Phish & Grateful Dead shows ripped from CDs or downloaded as official releases. Things like Dave's and Dicks Picks from the dead aren't on Tidal. Also the vast majority of the either bands side projects are no where on streaming.
Look for Jerry Garcia Band on Tidal. No shows at all.
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkPreamp/Digital: Meitner MA3
HT Processor: Bryston SP3
Amps: Bryston 14b3, Bryston 4b3
Speakers: Kef Reference 5, Kef Reference 4c
Sub: REL Carbon Special
Power: Shunyata Denali, Bryston BIT15
Wires: Wireworld Silver Eclipse XLR & SC, Ethernet - WW Platinum USB
Other: Stillpoint Ultra SS, ISO-Acoustics ISO Pucks
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November 19, 2020, 11:12 PM #66
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Re: Could you survive with streaming music only?
If your music has already been ripped or downloaded, then I think that the issue is more semantic.
Streaming means music that you play from a music service (Tidal, Spotify, Qobuz, etc.) or from your Hardrives (ripped and/or downloaded). So you might already be streaming without you knowing it.
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November 19, 2020, 11:23 PM #67
Re: Could you survive with streaming music only?
Preamp/Digital: Meitner MA3
HT Processor: Bryston SP3
Amps: Bryston 14b3, Bryston 4b3
Speakers: Kef Reference 5, Kef Reference 4c
Sub: REL Carbon Special
Power: Shunyata Denali, Bryston BIT15
Wires: Wireworld Silver Eclipse XLR & SC, Ethernet - WW Platinum USB
Other: Stillpoint Ultra SS, ISO-Acoustics ISO Pucks
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November 19, 2020, 11:51 PM #68
Re: Could you survive with streaming music only?
Playing ripped CD, or downloaded high-res, files from a hard drive is not streaming.
Bud
Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD
Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR for source, Denali 2000 (2) for amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson four shelf maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
Three 20 amp circuits.
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November 20, 2020, 12:01 AM #69
Re: Could you survive with streaming music only?
This doesn’t have to be a strict internet only playback scenario.
I have a ton of cds that need ripping, but I’m just too lazy. Having multiple services is just too darn convenient.
I will say it’s nice to have a CD player for the time being especially for the rare occasions my internet goes out late at night.
I still believe playing cds direct sound better than my ripped ones. I have not done extensive comparisons but the cd seems to flow better among other enhancements.Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
Job INTegrated. Luxman L-595aSE
NAD C 658 streamer.
First Watt SIT-3, Job 250 Monos, NuForce STA200, AkitikA GT-102 amp, ASL Wave monos, Dennis Had 45 monos. Absolute Audio Labs PCF 25 amp (improved First Watt F7 super clone)
Topping D90, RME Audio ADI-2 DAC FS, ModWright Ultimate Sony XA-5400ES.
Burmester 948, McIntosh MCLK12, Kimber Kable, Siltech, Cardas, Avanti Audio cables.
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November 20, 2020, 12:33 AM #70
Re: Could you survive with streaming music only?
Bud
Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD
Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR for source, Denali 2000 (2) for amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson four shelf maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
Three 20 amp circuits.
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November 20, 2020, 12:37 AM #71
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November 20, 2020, 01:30 AM #72
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November 20, 2020, 02:10 AM #73
Re: Could you survive with streaming music only?
If you look at what audio gear are called streamers, it’s devices which allow playback of music/ video from an indirectly or remotely (wirelessly or per wire) connected media source. Whether the media comes from a local or Internet server is not essential.
Streaming is the technical process of playing back remotely produced or stored real-time media (typically video, audio, voice/ video call).
Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk“Life’s too short to listen to bad audio.”
Big rig: Brinkmann Taurus DD TT + 12.1 arm + Lyra Etna Lambda SL MC + HRS M3X2/ Cardas Clear Beyond phono/ Stillpoints LPI/ Brinkmann Edison mk2 phono + RöNT II Tube PS/ Synology NAS with Roon + HD Plex linear PSU + Shunyata HD/ AQ Vodka RJ45 + Aqvox Network Switch SE + AQ Diamond RJ45 into DAC/ Brinkmann Nyquist mk2/ Audionet Humboldt/ Cardas Clear Beyond ICs/ Kharma DB9-S 1.1 LS/ Inakustik Reference LS 4004 AIR/ Audioquest Niagara 5000/ Shunyata Alpha power (HC, Analogue, Digital)/ Finite Elemente Pagode Rack/ Stillpoints Ultra SS/ Vicoustic panels + Stillpoints Aperture II.
Small rig: Naim UnitiServe/ Curious USB/ Tidal/ Linn Klimax DS3/ Shunyata Power cable/ Pass Labs INT-60/ Acoustic Zen Silver Reference II/ HiD Diamond 8/ Harbeth 30.2 40th Anniversary/ Shunyata Venom EU7 & Venom 3 HD.
HP rig: MacBookAir/ Tidal/ Auralic Gemini 2000/ Sbooster LPSU/ Audeze LCD-2 Classic + WyWires Red/ Shunyata HD/ Shunyata Hydra 2/ Shunyata Venom.
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November 20, 2020, 08:51 AM #74
Re: Could you survive with streaming music only?
2chl : Vincent Sp331MkII, W4S STP-SE Stage 2, Kef 201/2, KEF 140, Vapor Breeze, Lumin, Bryston CD, BHA-1, Quicksilver Headamp, HD650, HD800s, HD820's, Dan Clark 1.1, Focal Stellia, OPPO 203, 105. ( Boxed up: Pass Xa-30.5, VPI Classic, Dynavector DV-20XL, Manley Chinook, Cadenza Bronze)
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November 20, 2020, 10:46 AM #75
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November 20, 2020, 11:22 AM #76
Re: Could you survive with streaming music only?
I Know what a NAS is, I own one, and not sure the meaning of your post. Joe didn't go to the nitty-gritty. It was general, but others want to take it to the nitty-grity. Sure some streamers have their own storage, so as far as I'm concerned with Joe's intent, that means NO storage at all of any kind in any device including a streamer. .
2chl : Vincent Sp331MkII, W4S STP-SE Stage 2, Kef 201/2, KEF 140, Vapor Breeze, Lumin, Bryston CD, BHA-1, Quicksilver Headamp, HD650, HD800s, HD820's, Dan Clark 1.1, Focal Stellia, OPPO 203, 105. ( Boxed up: Pass Xa-30.5, VPI Classic, Dynavector DV-20XL, Manley Chinook, Cadenza Bronze)
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November 20, 2020, 11:57 AM #77
Re: Could you survive with streaming music only?
Yes, Chris, that was my intent. I know some have attained an extremely high level of digital playback but the total system is involved.
Computer or server, no or minimal storage, hooked up directly to a nice dac or cd player with digital inputs - done. No messing around, no super fancy stuff.
I could. I don’t mean to start a war.
I have the nas, etc. but realize it’ll probably take a lot more to reach the ultimate network music performance most here have.
I was thinking out loud about what level could be “enough”.
There’s so much choice between Qobuz, Tidal, RadioParadise, Deezer, RadioTunes and the other remaining couple of services that there’s not enough time to listen to everything.
At this point, I can get the same emotional response from those services as I can from stored music.
I realize vinyl is really on another level but I don’t have the patience or discipline to master it.Last edited by joeinid; November 20, 2020 at 12:15 PM.
Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
Job INTegrated. Luxman L-595aSE
NAD C 658 streamer.
First Watt SIT-3, Job 250 Monos, NuForce STA200, AkitikA GT-102 amp, ASL Wave monos, Dennis Had 45 monos. Absolute Audio Labs PCF 25 amp (improved First Watt F7 super clone)
Topping D90, RME Audio ADI-2 DAC FS, ModWright Ultimate Sony XA-5400ES.
Burmester 948, McIntosh MCLK12, Kimber Kable, Siltech, Cardas, Avanti Audio cables.
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November 20, 2020, 12:25 PM #78
Re: Could you survive with streaming music only?
2chl : Vincent Sp331MkII, W4S STP-SE Stage 2, Kef 201/2, KEF 140, Vapor Breeze, Lumin, Bryston CD, BHA-1, Quicksilver Headamp, HD650, HD800s, HD820's, Dan Clark 1.1, Focal Stellia, OPPO 203, 105. ( Boxed up: Pass Xa-30.5, VPI Classic, Dynavector DV-20XL, Manley Chinook, Cadenza Bronze)
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November 20, 2020, 12:40 PM #79
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Re: Could you survive with streaming music only?
Survive? My involvement and satisfaction with music is flourishing. As one of many projects on Roon, I have organized top 50 jazz saxophone players and have access to all their albums instantly. A "collection" like that would cost more than small fortune. Best part... No cleaning required.
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November 20, 2020, 01:14 PM #80
Re: Could you survive with streaming music only?
Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
Job INTegrated. Luxman L-595aSE
NAD C 658 streamer.
First Watt SIT-3, Job 250 Monos, NuForce STA200, AkitikA GT-102 amp, ASL Wave monos, Dennis Had 45 monos. Absolute Audio Labs PCF 25 amp (improved First Watt F7 super clone)
Topping D90, RME Audio ADI-2 DAC FS, ModWright Ultimate Sony XA-5400ES.
Burmester 948, McIntosh MCLK12, Kimber Kable, Siltech, Cardas, Avanti Audio cables.
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November 20, 2020, 03:18 PM #81
Re: Could you survive with streaming music only?
I am so pleased with my Roon/Lumin/Tidal/Qobuz set-up, and the multiple huge Playlists thus created, that I am considering selling my 5,000 LP library and CD collection.
Tom
Ultimate Audio
SoundLab Dealer
Country System:
SoundLab Ultimate-1PX Electrostatic Speakers
Pass Labs XP-32 pre, Pass Labs XA60.8 Amps
Pass Lab XP-27 phono stage
SME 20/2 table with SME V arm, Stillpoints LPI
Minus-K BM-8 passive vibration control under tt
Dynavector XV-1s, Koeitsu Rosewood Signature cartridges, Klaudio RCM
Roon Nucleus+ powered by Keces P-8 LPS
Lumin X-1 Network Music Player
3 dedicated AC lines
Shunyata Omega PC to Everest for all source devices
Typhon for each amp powered by 2 dedicated circuits
Various Shunyata Alpha & Sigma PC's throughout.
Stillpoints under everything.
City System:
Ayre KX-R Twenty Preamp
Pass Labs X-260.8 Monoblocks
Esoteric K-03 SACD Player
Roon Nucleus+powered by UpTone Audio JS-2 LPS
Lumin X-1 Network Music Player
Sound Lab Ultimate-545PX Speakers
Shunyata Hydra 8, Typhon QR
Various Shunyata Alpha & Sigma PC's throughout
Stillpoints under everything. Multiple room acoustic panels.
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November 21, 2020, 12:52 PM #82
Re: Could you survive with streaming music only?
Absolutely I could. The nostalgic won't agree, they need to hold onto the memories of their youth. I get that, I'm old enough to be able to relate but I'm also objective enough to realize the efforts to play a few songs at a time, budget limits and storage limits with vinyl. On top of that, digital sonics has come incredibly far as to surpass analog (maybe not tape) $ for sonics until you spend significant $ (IME $15K and above). If you optimize your network chain streaming comes incredibly close to locally stored music and as others have said, there are millions of songs available at your fingertips. A great time to be an audiophile!
4x20A circuits | Shunyata Triton + Typhon | Source 1: HDPlex HD100 PSU -> OCX clock + EtherRegen -> Paul Hynes SR4T + HDPlex HD500 PSUs -> Music PC w/JCAT XE nic, Squeezebox, Roon, Tidal / Qobuz | TotalDAC Live PSU + D1 Twelve Mk II DAC + Mk II streamer | Source 2: Acoustic Signature Ascona TT | Kuzma 4 point tonearm | Koetsu Rosewood Signature cart | Pass XP-15 phono pre | Audionet Pre G2 preamp | Audionet Max mono blocks | Vivid Audio Giya Spirits | 4 JL Audio Fathom subs | Echole ICs /SCs / Siltech King jumpers, Shunyata/Audioquest PCs / Eth. Cs | Critical Mass CS2s -> components, Isoacoustics -> speakers + subs | Adona Altair reference and Eris II racks | Fully treated and dedicated 2 channel room
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November 21, 2020, 04:00 PM #83
Re: Could you survive with streaming music only?
Joe,
As you know, I've been using the MUTEC MC-3+ reclocker these past few weeks.
Streaming is the one area where I have noticed the biggest improvements.
Even on Spotify, normally thinned out digital is getting fleshed out with meaty sound that is very enjoyable.
Regards
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Custom Win10 Transport | Mutec MC-3+ USB | Lampizator Amber | Acoustic Portrait Thiyaga | ATC SCM20PSL + JL Audio E-Sub e110
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November 22, 2020, 06:00 AM #84
Re: Could you survive with streaming music only?
No I could not. Not in my Hifi world. Which is very important to me. And i'm not talking CD's here.
To me selecting, putting on and listening to a record is so much more. No stream or CD can do that. It's difficult to describe why.
It's like a great meal vs fast food. Like a glas vs. a plastic cup. It's more intense and more relaxing. It's an event, it's always deep and never "in the background".
Would I survive in a 100% digital audio world without vinyl? Yes, as a human being, not as a person.hifi:
power: Audioplan Powerstar, Audioplan Finefilter, Audioplan Powerplant, Powercord
tube amp: Jadis DA 50 Signature RC, Line Magnetic 508ia
speaker: Living Voice Avatar 2
turntable: Pro-Ject Xtension 10 + Ortofon Quintet Black MC
phono stage: Remton 383 MKII
cables: Audioplan Musicable bic 7a, Profigold, Wilbrand
home-cinema: Sony blu-ray, Yamaha rx v2700, Heco Metas 700 (4x), Heco center
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November 22, 2020, 08:25 AM #85
Re: Could you survive with streaming music only?
"No summit worth climbing is easily attained."
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Source: MSB Select II DAC with Two Mono Powerbases and Femto 33 Clock; Renderer V2 Digital Input Module and Roon Nucleus Plus; MSB UMT V Signature Transport
Amps: Vandersteen M7-HPA Mono Amps; MSB M204 Mono Amps
Speakers: Vandersteen Model 7 Mk2
Power: Two AudioQuest Niagara 5000’s with AudioQuest Dragon and Hurricane Power Cords
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November 22, 2020, 09:03 AM #86
Could you survive with streaming music only?
“Life’s too short to listen to bad audio.”
Big rig: Brinkmann Taurus DD TT + 12.1 arm + Lyra Etna Lambda SL MC + HRS M3X2/ Cardas Clear Beyond phono/ Stillpoints LPI/ Brinkmann Edison mk2 phono + RöNT II Tube PS/ Synology NAS with Roon + HD Plex linear PSU + Shunyata HD/ AQ Vodka RJ45 + Aqvox Network Switch SE + AQ Diamond RJ45 into DAC/ Brinkmann Nyquist mk2/ Audionet Humboldt/ Cardas Clear Beyond ICs/ Kharma DB9-S 1.1 LS/ Inakustik Reference LS 4004 AIR/ Audioquest Niagara 5000/ Shunyata Alpha power (HC, Analogue, Digital)/ Finite Elemente Pagode Rack/ Stillpoints Ultra SS/ Vicoustic panels + Stillpoints Aperture II.
Small rig: Naim UnitiServe/ Curious USB/ Tidal/ Linn Klimax DS3/ Shunyata Power cable/ Pass Labs INT-60/ Acoustic Zen Silver Reference II/ HiD Diamond 8/ Harbeth 30.2 40th Anniversary/ Shunyata Venom EU7 & Venom 3 HD.
HP rig: MacBookAir/ Tidal/ Auralic Gemini 2000/ Sbooster LPSU/ Audeze LCD-2 Classic + WyWires Red/ Shunyata HD/ Shunyata Hydra 2/ Shunyata Venom.
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November 22, 2020, 09:15 AM #87
Re: Could you survive with streaming music only?
Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
Job INTegrated. Luxman L-595aSE
NAD C 658 streamer.
First Watt SIT-3, Job 250 Monos, NuForce STA200, AkitikA GT-102 amp, ASL Wave monos, Dennis Had 45 monos. Absolute Audio Labs PCF 25 amp (improved First Watt F7 super clone)
Topping D90, RME Audio ADI-2 DAC FS, ModWright Ultimate Sony XA-5400ES.
Burmester 948, McIntosh MCLK12, Kimber Kable, Siltech, Cardas, Avanti Audio cables.
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November 22, 2020, 01:03 PM #88
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Re: Could you survive with streaming music only?
Easy swap for me today, although I realize that when I first heard of Spotify years ago I was not sure if it would succeed. That’s because at the time I felt that most folks (including me at the time) wanted to own their music not to mention SQ. Judging by the marketplace (and the majority of responders to this thread) folks are making the swap.
Now, what if the question becomes: Would you stop buying books if the entire Library of Congress was digitally available to you to read at your pleasure at anytime you please? To me that would be much more difficult.
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November 22, 2020, 02:44 PM #89
Re: Could you survive with streaming music only?
To me also your question is a valid one.
As for music, easy swap for digital files vs. streaming. Yet I like to own my vinyls.
As for books, a lots of material is available digitally. But I’ve yet to enjoy a Tom Clancy or Dan Brown digitally. Needs to be a book, hardcover too. Different for work related materials though.
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November 22, 2020, 04:00 PM #90
Re: Could you survive with streaming music only?
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November 22, 2020, 09:47 PM #91
Re: Could you survive with streaming music only?
Definitely prefer reading a book over reading on a computer. I even print out the research stuff I come with at work since I do not like reading on the screen. Hard cover books all the way for
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If the discriminating factor is referring to a subscription service or not then 100% yes, I can survive with on online as a human (because I still have some music available), but I would not enjoy it nearly as much as a person. From collecting music that I own (vinyl, downloads, silver disks, etc.), and at least as important to me, I feel I am supporting the artist who create the music that I enjoy so much by buying their music more so than the insanely low amounts they get from streaming services. It is simply my preference and my way of thanking these incredibly talented people.McIntosh C49, MC152, MR85, R778 | T+A DAC 8 DSD | KEF LS50 Meta w/S2, KC62 (x2) | Rega RP8, Ania Pro, NEO PSU | Technics SL-1500C | Audio Technica VM750ML | Hexmat Eclipse, Yellow Bird, Molekula, Molekula Mini | Pro-Ject VC-E | Falcon NW PC Server (Roon Core & HQPlayer) | Microsoft Surface Pro 6 (Roon Controller) | Wyred 4 Sound ISO Recovery, DC Recovery | Abyss Diana Phi | Schiit Jotunheim 2 | Astell&Kern SE200 | Oppo BDP105
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November 22, 2020, 09:59 PM #92
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November 22, 2020, 10:09 PM #93
Re: Could you survive with streaming music only?
In fact I actually do purchase music again for stuff I really like. I actually purchase both digital and vinyl versions of new music many times. If I can purchase straight from the artist that is my first choice. Liz Longley actually wrote out a nice post card and included with her new album when I bought it directly from her. Lyn Stanley, who I consider a personal friend, has told me on more than one occasion that what she makes from streaming is little to nothing versus purchasing her music directly from her. Every one of her albums I have purchased in multiple formats because of this. Maybe one reason she held an extremely low number pressing of her direct 2 disk album for me.
Artist definitely make more from fans purchasing their music than they do from streaming services. It is simply a fact. I am not saying that anyone should not stream. By all means, enjoy music however you prefer. For me, if I find any artist I like I will usually buy several of their recordings. It is just my preference and what makes me feel I am doing my part.McIntosh C49, MC152, MR85, R778 | T+A DAC 8 DSD | KEF LS50 Meta w/S2, KC62 (x2) | Rega RP8, Ania Pro, NEO PSU | Technics SL-1500C | Audio Technica VM750ML | Hexmat Eclipse, Yellow Bird, Molekula, Molekula Mini | Pro-Ject VC-E | Falcon NW PC Server (Roon Core & HQPlayer) | Microsoft Surface Pro 6 (Roon Controller) | Wyred 4 Sound ISO Recovery, DC Recovery | Abyss Diana Phi | Schiit Jotunheim 2 | Astell&Kern SE200 | Oppo BDP105
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November 22, 2020, 11:05 PM #94
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November 23, 2020, 12:02 AM #95
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Re: Could you survive with streaming music only?
All of the artists that I bought their LPs and CDs from already got the money.
They get extra money (from me) when I stream their music from a subscription service.
If you really want to help the artists, you should 1) buy their music and 2) also stream it. That way they get two sources of revenues.
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November 23, 2020, 12:38 AM #96
Re: Could you survive with streaming music only?
I do not disagree, however the point I was making is that many/most people who's main source of music is streaming do not purchase music, from the artist or otherwise. Therefore streaming as an alternate to purchasing is what I refer to. Again, if streaming is someone's choice that is their business. My choice is to purchase. Most artist would very much prefer that their fans purchase if it were an either or.
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November 23, 2020, 09:01 AM #97
Re: Could you survive with streaming music only?
And streaming pays these artist and their music bus counterparts a pity amount. Royalties are basically the amount paid to any rights-holders when a song (or any creation) is sold, distributed, used in other media (like a commercial or movie), or monetized in any way. Each song is split into two separate copyrights: composition (lyrics, melody) and sound recording owned by the record label and recording artists.
Composition copyrights: Owned by songwriters and publishers
Sound recording copyrights: Owned by the record label and recording artists
The royalties are split among all these people, at various rates negotiated amongst record labels and agencies. Tidal for instance pays for one stream (according to soundcharts for 2020) "pay per stream rate of $0.00989", so that figure if one song is streamed or 10000, or 1 million the dollars are pretty limited to all.
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November 23, 2020, 01:51 PM #98
Re: Could you survive with streaming music only?
I could and do live without it......at least for now.
A lot of interesting views and clearly streaming is the preference for many. However, there has not been one mention of how the streaming model impacts the artists getting paid. It was mention up-thread:
"Total time spent on acquiring all the albums above 4 min.
Total extra expenditure $0."
One pays $15/mo to have access to unlimited music, it's sort of like the original napster. I'm over simplifying but you get the gist.
To me that is one of the biggest turnoff's to the streaming model. I would guess/hope as the streaming model continues to mature, hopefully artists get what they deserve. The amount of time, effort, sweat and money etc.. that goes into creating just one album (from the artist perspective) is mind blowing if you think about it and it almost seems like its free for immediate consumption. Part of that just doesn't sit well with me, but that's just my view. Again there is a lot of moving parts to this and I am only bringing this up as a perspective.
Also I don't have any current metrics on the state of artist getting paid in the streaming model nor am I pointing fingers. I too have a spotify acct (family) but I use for discovery and then purchase.
I continue to with buy CD's (from artists page, bandcamp) or the best dig download I can find. Qobuz has a 3 month trial going which I'll prob try.
* lol, I hadn't seen the last few paragraphs as it relates to artist / pay when I posted.
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November 23, 2020, 02:29 PM #99
Re: Could you survive with streaming music only?
I'm hedging my bets. So no, streaming isn't an exlusive thing for me.
We don't live at the edge of the civilized world, but you can see it from here. Internet is dicey.
I still play records a lot and some of them make the best music my system has ever made.
And I have amassed a large digital library that lives on a NAS device.
Here's the thing that gets me about streaming.
It has never been profitable. For anyone. Ever.
Tidal and Qobuz are still losing money and relying on investors to provide operating capital.
Spotify is, so far, in the hole by $2.8 Bn since inception. They occasionally have a positive quarter wrt EBIT, never a positive year.
What is going to happen?Tom
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