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    Re: Berkeley Audio Design Alpha DAC Reference

    I guess I am missing something here. Everything is a computer now. The issue is how well does the computer do its job. For example, the Bryston BDP-1/2 is an optimized Linux computer, with digital and analog power supplies, upgraded sound card, with no fans and spinning hard drives, and is designed to do one thing; take a file from an external drive and send it to an external DAC. You can't write an email, surf the net, play porno videos, or do anything else with it. You can just play digital music files.

    Aside from doing that one task really well, it also looks great in the rack with the other audio gear.


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    However, I wonder why the file reading from the USB drive couldn't be added at the DAC? That would eliminate a lot of electronics, and, hopefully, improve the sound.
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    Re: Berkeley Audio Design Alpha DAC Reference

    Quote Originally Posted by asindc View Post
    I respectfully disagree. I think they just decided to focus on PCM sound quality without compromise. They believe having the DSD processing inside the DAC would unnecessarily degrade the signal and that software like JRiver does just as good a job of it anyway. I'll leave the technical debate to the experts, but given Berkeley's track record, they have earned the benefit of my doubt.
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    This is the quality DSD I listen to, so I can only laugh at the DSD-phobes:

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    Re: Berkeley Audio Design Alpha DAC Reference

    Quote Originally Posted by mauidan View Post
    Mike,

    I'm sure the S1(haven't heard it) is a wonderful product, but it still has a computer inside it and it's not transfering data to the DAC via CAT6.

    The "mark" is decoding the digital files, and that's all about the DAC and flavor of it's analog output stage.

    I'm very happy with the performance of the CAT6 signal going into my Auraliti PK 90 w/linear psu and it's USB output into my Aesthetix Pandora Signature DAC.

    Instead of spending $15K, for a S1, I ordered a Devialet 200.
    First, the S1 is $12,500 MSRP (much less if ordered through me). The Devialet 200 is a terrific product, I've had one in my system, along with a 800 too. But first, no DSD, second, you must agree to live within the Devialet ecosystem or suffer as the A-D-A is bad at best (save for the Phonostage which I found to be quite good). And as for comparing the DAC in the Devialet with a Lumin (which I did), I still much preferred the sound of the Lumin.

    Now, what you could do (and I did) is run digital out of the Lumin into the Devialet and at the Lumin stage, convert at DSD to PCM (not ideal, but it worked).
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    Berkeley Audio Design Alpha DAC Reference

    Quote Originally Posted by wisnon View Post
    ASindc,

    This is the quality DSD I listen to, so I can only laugh at the DSD-phobes:

    LampizatOr DSD DAC: First Listen (Updated & Revisited) | Confessions of a Part-Time Audiophile
    I still must hear this Norman.

    Ok, we've officially hijacked the poor Berkeley thread.

    Now back to our regular scheduled programming....
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    Re: Berkeley Audio Design Alpha DAC Reference

    It occurs to me that many of my friends make judgements in the PCM versus DSD wars based on their personal listening experience which has more to do with the level of execution of the player/dac/anolog section than the digital format.

    I have seen DSD people flip to PCM and vice versa based of execution of the system. Many strong PCM advocates will have a system (dac) designed for PCM first and use marginally compromised (i.e., sub optimum) DSD playback. When pushed to find out on what system they have based their negative views about DSD I find they haven't listened to DSD at its best.

    Conversely, many strong DSD advocates will have a system (dac) designed for DSD first and use compromised PCM playback. When pushed to find out on what system they have based their negative views about PCM I find they haven't listened to PCM at its best.

    Personally, when I have heard the best of DSD and the best of PCM I am not able to make a distinction across a wide selection of titles and recordings as to which format is superior.

    Based on this view I see no reason to stray from PCM given title availability and the Berkeley RS has my attention.

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    Re: Berkeley Audio Design Alpha DAC Reference

    I dont know many people who have a stronger DSD setup than PCM…maybe only the Mytek springs to mind. Most Dacs are PCM first.
    I hear a clear diffrence in signature bteween DSD and PCM, both excellent, but DSD128 is untouchable.
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    Re: Berkeley Audio Design Alpha DAC Reference

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    I still must hear this Norman.

    Ok, we've officially hijacked the poor Berkeley thread.

    Now back to our regular scheduled programming....
    Not really, not enough people have one yet and reviews are still scarce. We are just running the clock down till we have more material to chew on. LoL
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    Re: Berkeley Audio Design Alpha DAC Reference

    I think my Exasound E28 is stronger for DSD than PCM, I could be wrong, since I almost exclusively use the E28 for DSD, and almost all of that is mch DSD. I am playing my first 256DSD file (a beta of an HDTT album, not released yet - stereo, almost certainly from a prerecorded R2R tape). I don't have a PCM version of this album. It works fine with the E28. For PCM files (other than mch) I use my BADA2 +BADA USD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wisnon View Post
    I dont know many people who have a stronger DSD setup than PCM…maybe only the Mytek springs to mind. Most Dacs are PCM first.
    I hear a clear diffrence in signature bteween DSD and PCM, both excellent, but DSD128 is untouchable.
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    Re: Berkeley Audio Design Alpha DAC Reference

    Quote Originally Posted by wisnon View Post
    I dont know many people who have a stronger DSD setup than PCM…maybe only the Mytek springs to mind. Most Dacs are PCM first.
    I hear a clear diffrence in signature bteween DSD and PCM, both excellent, but DSD128 is untouchable.

    Yes I am familiar with and respect your views on DSD. Regarding your comments, I was referring to top dacs that sound better playing DSD than playing PCM and vice versa. I was not making a distinction about their dac architecture (not sure why I would; the sound is the point). In one camp you have PD, EMM, Meitner, Mytek et. al. and in the other camp you have MSB, Trinity, CH Precision et. al.

    My point is when I hear DSD on the PD MPS5 and PCM on the MSD Diamond I do not have a preference and so go for titles. At this level the recording makes much more of a difference to me than the format anyway.

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    Re: Berkeley Audio Design Alpha DAC Reference

    Quote Originally Posted by FlexibleAudio View Post
    Yes I am familiar with and respect your views on DSD. Regarding your comments, I was referring to top dacs that sound better playing DSD than playing PCM and vice versa. I was not making a distinction about their dac architecture (not sure why I would; the sound is the point). In one camp you have PD, EMM, Meitner, Mytek et. al. and in the other camp you have MSB, Trinity, CH Precision et. al.

    My point is when I hear DSD on the PD MPS5 and PCM on the MSD Diamond I do not have a preference and so go for titles. At this level the recording makes much more of a difference to me than the format anyway.
    OK, understood. However, MSB Platinum does lovel DSD as well. Finally, no PCM sounds as good as DSD128…in my opinion.
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