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    Amazon Music

    CD quality and HD tracks for only $12.99 for Amazon Prime users... Oh boy... Tidal and Qobuz better watch out.
    I doubt that Amazon will work with Roon so for now I am sticking with Roon/Tidal.
    However, I can foresee new lines of Amazon Alexa devices that will compete with the likes of Sonos.

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    It is all about content and service. Let’s see if they offer more than a rich man’s version of Apple Music.
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    Quote Originally Posted by asindc View Post
    It is all about content and service. Let’s see if they offer more than a rich man’s version of Apple Music.
    According to the article...
    - Over 50 million CD Quality
    - "Millions" of songs it’s calling “Ultra HD,” which translates to 24-bit with sample rates that range from 44.1kHz up to 192kHz.

    As far as I know, Apple Music has zero CD quality or HD quality as of today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicoff View Post
    According to the article...
    - Over 50 million CD Quality
    - "Millions" of songs it’s calling “Ultra HD,” which translates to 24-bit with sample rates that range from 44.1kHz up to 192kHz.

    As far as I know, Apple Music has zero CD quality or HD quality as of today.
    Obviously.

    By “rich man’s”, I mean that Amazon is offering hi-Rez streaming as opposed to Apple. By “version”, I mean Apple’s practice of using its streaming platform to aggressively sell downloads. It remains to be seen how much Amazon will dedicate itself to hi-Rez streaming when there are still CDs and downloads to sell.
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    I'm not streaming from a laptop ever again. Owning the Aurender N10 and N100H music servers has completely spoiled me for better sound quality. When and if Amazon can be streamed through Aurender's Conductor app like Tidal and Qobuz, then and only then would I consider it. The price is enticing, especially for us Prime members. Perhaps that will pressure Tidal and Qobuz to reduce their monthly subscription fees for their premium tiers, although my guess is that will be unlikely.

    I log many more hours listening to my own personal music library than to Tidal. Sure, there's interesting music to discover from streaming services, unfortunately there's far more crap masquerading as music that I don't have time or desire to wade through. Streaming is okay, but it isn't my primary access to music content. Even though Tidal lured me back with the 3 months for $9.99 deal, I am now back to paying $19.99 and once again considering canceling the service. Access to their library is one thing, but actually using it is another.
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    Re: Amazon Music

    It is highly unlikely that Amazon will allow Roon to integrate their offerings with our files so no matter what the price is I will stick with Roon/Tidal.
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    I’m a Tidal user but welcome competition from Amazon. As mentioned earlier, there could well be pricing pressure which would lower costs to consumers regardless of which service they utilize.
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    Re: Amazon Music

    Already signed up and listening, perfect for me
    Qobuz will probably be on the chopping block in a month barring anything negative with Amazon. Already a Prime member.

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    The ONLY thing keeping me from jumping ship from Tidal to Amazon is Roon.

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    I wonder if LUMIN has plans to integrate Amazon Music into their software.
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    Re: Amazon Music

    How many of these streaming services do we need, especially when they all offer different artists. If there was one service that offered all songs in at least CD quality then I might try it, but as of now I will continue to buy CDs and download high-res files. I already have more music than I can ever listen to.
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    I dumped Tidal and kept Qobuz. I may dump Roon too and go with JRiver. Roon is a lot of money to allow me to listen to what I already own. I play Qobuz with their app.
    I will probably try Amazon as I have Prime for my business.
    I guess having a server such as mine is a benefit as I can play any source I want. I'm not limited by the manufacturer software. This may become a larger issue for Aurender, Lumin etc. If enough turn over in the market starts limiting their customers access to content, they will be forced to adapt or loose sales.
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    Roon et al doesn't dictate what I listen to. I do.

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    Roon is my interface to my library. HQPlayer is pretty cumbersome. JRiver is pretty decent for file management/playback such as Roon is. I don't do anything else with Roon so I may leave it.
    But this thread is really about Amazon and I'm happy my pretty darn good server allows me the flexibility to try new products.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdandy View Post
    I'm not streaming from a laptop ever again. Owning the Aurender N10 and N100H music servers has completely spoiled me for better sound quality. When and if Amazon can be streamed through Aurender's Conductor app like Tidal and Qobuz, then and only then would I consider it. The price is enticing, especially for us Prime members. Perhaps that will pressure Tidal and Qobuz to reduce their monthly subscription fees for their premium tiers, although my guess is that will be unlikely.

    I log many more hours listening to my own personal music library than to Tidal. Sure, there's interesting music to discover from streaming services, unfortunately there's far more crap masquerading as music that I don't have time or desire to wade through. Streaming is okay, but it isn't my primary access to music content. Even though Tidal lured me back with the 3 months for $9.99 deal, I am now back to paying $19.99 and once again considering canceling the service. Access to their library is one thing, but actually using it is another.

    Amen to that Brother! Yes there is an abundance of material available for listen but the bottom line is sound quality.
    I have NO desire to drop down the streaming "rabbit hole" spending thousands of dollars chasing an abundance of services, well hyped exotic cables, power supplies etc etc for sound that may be as good as a CD as long as "Jupiter aligns with Mars On a Clear Day."
    Have a listen where-ever on what-ever, you like? Then buy and rip. Case Closed.

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    A few folks express that they already have big libraries and do not need anything else. I feel like I have a decent library of CDs, LPs and even tapes. And yes I could listen to that same library for a LONG time. But to me that's like "I got plenty of books already I don't need to read new stuff".
    Exploring new stuff (music, books, etc.) keeps it interesting and keeps you alive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicoff View Post
    A few folks express that they already have big libraries and do not need anything else. I feel like I have a decent library of CDs, LPs and even tapes. And yes I could listen to that same library for a LONG time. But to me that's like "I got plenty of books already I don't need to read new stuff".
    Exploring new stuff (music, books, etc.) keeps it interesting and keeps you alive.
    nicoff.......I am not saying I don't enjoy new music. I am always on the lookout for music that fits my personal interests. Streaming has its place, but for me it is not a primary source. With streaming services there's a lot of warts to avoid trying to discover the gems. I find it valuable as a source for auditioning new music that I may wish to purchase.
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    I enjoy the playlists from Amazon in particular the work out playlists and others when I drive such as the best of the 60’s,70’s, 80’s and90’s . These playlists are like commercial free radio stations unlike Pandora you can skip as many songs as you like. I know this is sacrilege on a audiophile forum but in the car or with AirPods when I’m exercising HD is not part of the deal anyway. Non MQA based HD music for such a great price that allows free downloads with the service has my money.

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    Re: Amazon Music

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingrex View Post
    I dumped Tidal and kept Qobuz. I may dump Roon too and go with JRiver. Roon is a lot of money to allow me to listen to what I already own. I play Qobuz with their app.
    I will probably try Amazon as I have Prime for my business.
    I guess having a server such as mine is a benefit as I can play any source I want. I'm not limited by the manufacturer software. This may become a larger issue for Aurender, Lumin etc. If enough turn over in the market starts limiting their customers access to content, they will be forced to adapt or loose sales.
    I just dumped Qubuz, kept Tidal and signed up for Amazon since I'm a prime member. Never know.
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    Re: Amazon Music

    Quote Originally Posted by jdandy View Post
    I'm not streaming from a laptop ever again. Owning the Aurender N10 and N100H music servers has completely spoiled me for better sound quality. When and if Amazon can be streamed through Aurender's Conductor app like Tidal and Qobuz, then and only then would I consider it. The price is enticing, especially for us Prime members. Perhaps that will pressure Tidal and Qobuz to reduce their monthly subscription fees for their premium tiers, although my guess is that will be unlikely.

    I log many more hours listening to my own personal music library than to Tidal. Sure, there's interesting music to discover from streaming services, unfortunately there's far more crap masquerading as music that I don't have time or desire to wade through. Streaming is okay, but it isn't my primary access to music content. Even though Tidal lured me back with the 3 months for $9.99 deal, I am now back to paying $19.99 and once again considering canceling the service. Access to their library is one thing, but actually using it is another.
    I agree 100%. I use Aurender as well and once they offer seamless integration i will check it out.
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    Re: Amazon Music

    I joined the Amazon HD Streaming tonight (already a Prime member), and am enjoying what I am hearing over my workstation PC with Bose computer speakers. My music listening to date has been limited to ripped CDs to .flac and bluray. I have never streamed internet files to my better audio equipment. I have 3 HTPC's (Assassin and Steiger Dynamic Maven) and 2 music servers (PS Audio and Mojo Audio), using jRiver Media Center with various DACs. So, now I am wondering how to get started with streaming.......gotta admit I am in the stone age for streaming music. If nothing else, I will use Amazon HD to screen music to see what I want to buy and rip.

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    If a person is getting started on streaming, for $250 plus an Amazon Music subscription one can get high def streaming that is voice controlled.

    Here is the cost breakdown:
    -Amazon Link ($200)
    -Amazon Echo Dot ($50), and
    -Amazon music HD ($12.99/mo. for prime members).

    You use the Amazon Echo Dot for voice commands; the Echo Dot communicates with the Echo Link wirelessly; and the Echo Link connects to your DAC digitally (toslink). All of the sudden you got your own DAC playing high resolution files on command. And yes, you can use a tablet to control it as well.

    In fact the Echo Link has its own DAC so one could actually connect the Echo Link directly to your amp.

    Cheaper than Sonos and higher resolution as well. And... if one does not need to connect multiple locations or a state-of-the-art music database (like Roon), then this can be a killer solution for many folks.

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    You all realize an Aurender is no different than a Lumin, Innuos, Mojo. They are all a computers with special hardware and software. I believe "popular" servers of the future will have to adapt to new services. Really, it's just a tech updating software to run Amazon, Primephonic, Spotify. What ever you want. Maybe Aurender and others are letting you down to some degree by not providing software more open to more service choices. If Amazon takes off and Tidal fails, they will have to do something.
    FYI, my system, My Mojo Audio Server is loaded with windows and I can add what services I want. Mojo Audio ultimately wants to only provide linux like others which limits choices unleas they too write the software to administer other applications. Everyone like Linux "from what I hear" as its locked, avoiding the annoying forced Windows updates causing software developers to constantly update their application systems to work in the new windows architecture. It's expensive and bothersome to the end consumer.

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    As in this situation Amazon is the “big fish” and Audirvana, Roon, Conversdigital, Lumin Aurender, Auralic and others are the “little fish” the questions of if and when on integration are in Amazon’s court. At this point the companies whose products were Day 1 compatible are parts of large conglomerates no “little guys” on that list and may not be for some time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    As in this situation Amazon is the “big fish” and Audirvana, Roon, Conversdigital, Lumin Aurender, Auralic and others are the “little fish” the questions of if and when on integration are in Amazon’s court. At this point the companies whose products were Day 1 compatible are parts of large conglomerates no “little guys” on that list and may not be for some time.
    I don't see integration in Amazons court. I can run it on my server. My understanding is its only a matter of a technician writing some code to allow Amazon to drop the Application onto your computer. Maybe Amazon is dropping spyware that could cause problems unless the tech accounts for it. Maybe it becomes an ethical question of whether the maker of the server wants to allow Amazons application to access the rest of your network through their product and ship your files, images etc to Amazon.
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    Your missing the point, it's always been available to Windows and Mac OS machines it's the streamer companies and "add on" software players.
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    Re: Amazon Music

    I'm also using Qobuz. My 12-month Studio subscription expires 2/20. I'm trying Amazon HD and so far I like it. Given what I've experienced so far I don't see any compelling reason to stay with Qobuz. I don't know that it sounds any better than Amazon. Most of what I've searched for so far in Amazon HD is available. I'd like to be able to move my favorites and playlists from Qobuz to Amazon, but don't see a way to do that. Soundiiz doesn't support Amazon HD. Maybe that will change at some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garyalex View Post
    I'm also using Qobuz. My 12-month Studio subscription expires 2/20. I'm trying Amazon HD and so far I like it. Given what I've experienced so far I don't see any compelling reason to stay with Qobuz. I don't know that it sounds any better than Amazon. Most of what I've searched for so far in Amazon HD is available. I'd like to be able to move my favorites and playlists from Qobuz to Amazon, but don't see a way to do that. Soundiiz doesn't support Amazon HD. Maybe that will change at some point.
    Soundiiz does work with Amazon Unlimited. Maybe you do that as a first step and then use Amazon to convert from Ultimate to HD.

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    Amazon from the shear nature of it presence doesn’t do it for me for high-end audio. It’s target will be all of the non audiophiles, a very large market I am sure that benefit from the other Alexia.

    For streaming, I’m staying the course with Qobuz and believe I will drop Tidal.

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    Re: Amazon Music

    That's a good idea. Thanks.

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    Re: Amazon Music

    Had a nice long listen last night, all good so far. SQ is fine as expected. Interface is pretty good, had no problems finding what I was looking for. Really like the classical "Station" that I was listening to also. Keeper for me.

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    Re: Amazon Music

    What I find really interesting about Amazon’s new Hi-Def streaming service is that they have deliberately chosen NOT to partner with MQA for its HD tier – as TIDAL has done for its so called “Masters” range.


    Amazon Music HD catalog is in the lossless FLAC file format, instead of the MQA format that Tidal uses.


    Beyond the obvious challenge to TIDAL (Amazon's service is cheaper) one wonders whether this is another nail in MQA’s coffin?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwi_1282001 View Post
    What I find really interesting about Amazon’s new Hi-Def streaming service is that they have deliberately chosen NOT to partner with MQA for its HD tier – as TIDAL has done for its so called “Masters” range.


    Amazon Music HD catalog is in the lossless FLAC file format, instead of the MQA format that Tidal uses.


    Beyond the obvious challenge to TIDAL (Google's service is cheaper) one wonders whether this is another nail in MQA’s coffin?
    You consider Google’s service a direct competitor to Tidal?
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    Re: Amazon Music

    I think Amazon Music HD with its massive library and reasonably priced subscriptions will not only entice the masses – it will also (in time and as Ultra HD & industry relationships expand) steal audiophiles away from Tidal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwi_1282001 View Post
    I think Amazon Music HD with its massive library and reasonably priced subscriptions will not only entice the masses – it will also (in time and as Ultra HD & industry relationships expand) steal audiophiles away from Tidal.
    I had taken your “another nail in the coffin” comment as meaning that Google was the first nail in MQA’s coffin.
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    Re: Amazon Music

    Quote Originally Posted by asindc View Post
    I had taken your “another nail in the coffin” comment as meaning that Google was the first nail in MQA’s coffin.
    why Google, Google has 'Play Music' which is not the same as Amazons HD
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    Re: Amazon Music

    Unfortunately, the new Amazon service uses a proprietary (closed) API, so no plug-in for those of us still using Squeezebox streamers or the open source Logitech Music Server software. Guess I'll stick with Tidal (will try Qobuz too) for now. Given Amazon's investment into their streaming infrastructure, I'm sure there will be MANY "Amazon HD Music compatible" receivers and (mid-fi) streamers forthcoming. Will be interesting to see if any higher end manufacturers "pony up" the licensing fee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sleepysurf View Post
    Unfortunately, the new Amazon service uses a proprietary (closed) API, so no plug-in for those of us still using Squeezebox streamers or the open source Logitech Music Server software. Guess I'll stick with Tidal (will try Qobuz too) for now. Given Amazon's investment into their streaming infrastructure, I'm sure there will be MANY "Amazon HD Music compatible" receivers and (mid-fi) streamers forthcoming. Will be interesting to see if any higher end manufacturers "pony up" the licensing fee.
    Thank you for the information on Amazon's closed API.

    Your thought about creating Amazon HD Music compatible devices is an interesting one. Here is a related thought: What about if Amazon buys Roon and in one move all Roon EndPoints become Amazon HD compatible devices? If that happens, it is likely that many if not most of Roon users who currently subscribe to Tidal or Qobuz would jump ship to AHD ( I would be one of them).

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwi_1282001 View Post
    Beyond the obvious challenge to TIDAL (Google's service is cheaper) one wonders whether this is another nail in MQA’s coffin?
    Quote Originally Posted by asindc View Post
    You consider Google’s service a direct competitor to Tidal?
    Quote Originally Posted by kiwi_1282001 View Post
    I think Amazon Music HD with its massive library and reasonably priced subscriptions will not only entice the masses – it will also (in time and as Ultra HD & industry relationships expand) steal audiophiles away from Tidal.
    Quote Originally Posted by asindc View Post
    I had taken your “another nail in the coffin” comment as meaning that Google was the first nail in MQA’s coffin.
    Quote Originally Posted by CPP View Post
    why Google, Google has 'Play Music' which is not the same as Amazons HD
    See above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by asindc View Post
    I had taken your “another nail in the coffin” comment as meaning that Google was the first nail in MQA’s coffin.
    My mistake. I'd mean't to type Amazon, not Google. Now corrected.
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    I see no reason to switch from Tidal. I think Tidal supporting MQA is a benefit for them. I'm not into it but many are. I'm not happy that most of the new releases listed are Pop. There's so many new releases they could increase that section a great deal and bring more variety to the table. I subscribe to the family plan to leet my grandson use it as well.

    I have nothing Amazon. I dislike their marketing and sleezy ways. A way back I downloaded their app so I could play my albums I bought on my phone, they have that deal where if you buy a certain CD you can have a free mp3 version. Then when they started their music service many of my albums began to have pop-ups saying "if you want to listen to this you have to subscribe". Someone the size of Amazon has no business taking something away they gave me. It may have improved but the video service you get with Prime is just a way to sell you what you want to watch. And, look at the name they gave their new music service, "Ultra HD", sleezy, it's CD for the majority, when has CD become "Ultra"

    I read an article from Darko that stated Amazon has like 30 million subscribers, Tidal a 10th of that at 3 million, Qobuz slightly less than Tidal. A surprise to me Deezer has 7 million and CD quality, what's up with that, I know no one with Deezer or hear anyone talk about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwi_1282001 View Post
    My mistake. I'd mean't to type Amazon, not Google. Now corrected.
    Ah, I see. So what was the first nail in the coffin?
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    Quote Originally Posted by asindc View Post
    Ah, I see. So what was the first nail in the coffin?
    Some would say that was when MQA initially misled with lossless statements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwi_1282001 View Post
    Some would say that was when MQA initially misled with lossless statements.
    This topic was discussed many times. If people hate MQA, fine.

    I found this quote interesting:

    “But the fact is MQA is lossy but not lossy as is thought of with an MP3 because MQA never claims that the missing information is "psychoacoustically irrelevant" or that it can't be recovered.

    The "unfolding" occurs in a series of steps sometimes in software and sometimes in hardware. So 48kHz gets unfolded to 96kHz and then again to 192kHz. The resultant bitstream does have some missing information; but MQA also encodes the difference between this final unfolding and the original analog waveform, and this difference gets used by an MQA-enabled DAC to reconstruct or "decode" all of the original information, so, in a full implementation of the MQA playback chain, the result is the same as lossless compression.

    MQA is both lossy AND lossless. MQA is Schrödingers format.”
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    Re: Amazon Music

    If Amazon bought Roon, Amazon would be an additional x dollars. Tidal and Qobuz would be an additioal Y dollars. They would discourage use of the other services to all but the most dedicated. IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingrex View Post
    If Amazon bought Roon, Amazon would be an additional x dollars. Tidal and Qobuz would be an additioal Y dollars. They would discourage use of the other services to all but the most dedicated. IMO.
    Not sure if they would charge more, but they would probably stop working with Tidal and Qobuz. That would force Roon loyalist to move to subscribe to Amazon HD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garyalex View Post
    I'm also using Qobuz. My 12-month Studio subscription expires 2/20. I'm trying Amazon HD and so far I like it. Given what I've experienced so far I don't see any compelling reason to stay with Qobuz. I don't know that it sounds any better than Amazon. Most of what I've searched for so far in Amazon HD is available. I'd like to be able to move my favorites and playlists from Qobuz to Amazon, but don't see a way to do that. Soundiiz doesn't support Amazon HD. Maybe that will change at some point.
    If Soundiiz isn't working for you, you may try MusConv Tool which is a very good alternate for soundiiz and works with all the major streaming services.

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    Re: Amazon Music

    I purchase a few CDs from Amazon. Many include free downloads from Amazon of the same songs. However, the downloads aren't good quality - not HD. I rather rip my CDs on my ACS and listen to them - they beat streaming.

    Even with a military discount, I dropped Tidal long ago. The sound quality of Qobuz just sounds better to me.

    I desire companies like Qobuz and Tidal to remain in business. If Amazon obtains a monopoly on streaming sooner to later the quality may begin to suffer and the prices will go up. Competition is good.
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