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    2 pc music server

    I think in all fairness the topic deserves its own
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    for anyone using or having issues please post here.
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    Re: 2 pc music server

    I am not sure I understand what input you are seeking.
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    Re: 2 pc music server

    Perhaps one computer to act as server and a second to run the music playing software?
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    Re: 2 pc music server

    Correct I’m not asking I’m offering help and from a group
    Not discussing sound only setting up for 2 pc setup
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    Re: 2 pc music server

    I have a fairly powerful Windows PC running Roon and HQPlayer. I have stripped out every bit of un-needed software. It contains 2x M.2 drives and another 2x SSD's. The 4 drives contain all my music and is served from there (no network streaming of music files). My second PC is actually a Microsoft Surface 6 PC/Tablet. It runs the Roon controller side of things. This setup works like a charm!
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    Re: 2 pc music server

    My friend had two PC set up, the one running the software was stripped of any unnecessary funtions and software as to be just for music playback. He had a lifetime subscription for Roon before I even saw others talk about it, he stays up on this stuff.

    Another friend lent him an Aries G1 to try in place of his computer, it bested the tricked out computer and now he uses a G2. Not promoting Auralic, just saying if open minded and wanting best results I'd try both ways to see which you find best. And, of course, there's many other options that do the same thing as the G2, that jus happened to be what my friend ended up with after trying.
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    Re: 2 pc music server

    One thing that makes a huge difference is make sure that the server machine is only running Roon Core, not the full application, GUI and all. This was originally called Roon Server, now they call it Roon Core (absolutely huge difference). Also, HQPlayer really does sound better, so having Roon as the origination, playback controller, metadata provider and then handing off to HQPlayer as the playback engine really does improve the sound quality quite dramatically.
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    Re: 2 pc music server

    Does anyone has experience with the Diretta protocol? Some people say it is the best sounding protocol on the market. https://www.diretta.link
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    Re: 2 pc music server

    Quote Originally Posted by Alkyogre View Post
    Does anyone has experience with the Diretta protocol? Some people say it is the best sounding protocol on the market. Diretta Audio Protocol
    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    ...HQPlayer really does sound better...
    Apparently it is all in the eye of the beholder (and/or system dependent)
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    Re: 2 pc music server

    Of course it is in the eye of the beholder/personal preferences, but there is a really good reason why HQPlayer has the following it has and why companies such as Roon have directed added HQPlayer links within their software.

    There of course are all kinds of stuff out there that claim to be the best. Some are probably very good and some have a cult type following, but few have the ratings and followings of primer products on the market. Usually there are some pretty sound reasons why.
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    Re: 2 pc music server

    I was not familiar with HQPlayer and just took a look. Certainly looks very pro, based on descriptions and functionality.

    Can you clarify how HQPlayer is used when Roon is in the mix? Or Lumin? Does Roon get relegated to just being the user interface/controller, while HQPlayer handles the "processing and streaming to the end-point"? If so, how do you keep Roon from overlapping that same processing/streaming? Why use it (Roon) at all in that case?

    With something like Lumin, does the Lumin hardware just become the end-point for the stream sent by HQPlayer?

    I ask because, to bring things back to this thread, I tend to be more purist when it comes to "add the least processing and layers" to the stream as possible. For me at least, I have trouble seeing how additional processing makes things better, other than it may well "make things sound better" to a particular person (with EQ, DSP etc).

    Which I think, is sort of what you're concluding. There is no "objectively" better, just what someone prefers. Me, I prefer the music go straight to the Lumin, using the Lumin app (whether from NAS/L1 or Qobuz), over adding-in Roon. I could be crazy though. (Aren't we all?)
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    Re: 2 pc music server

    HQPlayer's GUI is bad, really bad ... It's playback engine is good, really good and about the finest up-sampling available. Roon has HQPlayer interface built in. You can choose it as an audio zone. Roon remains as your interface, your GUI. It controls what you play, playlists, etc., etc. Even many of your streaming services can be controlled from Roon. Roon also provides the finest metadata and user interface on the market, in my view. Roon hands the signal off to HQPlayer for the final playback/output to your DAC.

    I agree, I am also a purest at heart. However for digital music playback you simply cannot beat Roon's control and interface. HQPlayer is pure and simply a fantastic playback engine. It is renowned and very popular among digital audiophiles. Both software products together make a fantastic digital playback setup and are designed to work together.

    From there, yes people have their preferences and no one system is "the best" for everyone. For me this setup is "the best".
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    Re: 2 pc music server

    I have a variety of playback software available (some only on a trial basis) and I have not tried the latest edition of Roon, but so far Stylus continues to sound the best to me. From what I have read and heard, if I add another computer for Stylus software only it will sound even better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rbbert View Post
    I have a variety of playback software available (some only on a trial basis) and I have not tried the latest edition of Roon, but so far Stylus continues to sound the best to me. From what I have read and heard, if I add another computer for Stylus software only it will sound even better.
    I don't think that is necessarily the case. Each computer in the signal/data chain adds the potential for noise from the power supplies and noise from the ethernet data flow.

    Given that stylus is not a demanding program to run I would be shocked if a 2 box system sounded better than 1.
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    Re: 2 pc music server

    Quote Originally Posted by rbbert View Post
    I have a variety of playback software available (some only on a trial basis) and I have not tried the latest edition of Roon, but so far Stylus continues to sound the best to me. From what I have read and heard, if I add another computer for Stylus software only it will sound even better.
    Was interested in the build of that Euphony Summus music server. Looks like my audioserver, except that galvanisated PS Audio board, actually it is a gen 8 nuc board with Akasa plato case with an adjusted front for that audio board.

    2 things that can be improved, and don't really understand why Euphony did not do that

    - the ssd containing does not come with any specs, my best audioserver uses for the m2 ssd a Samsung 970 Pro. That is the best Samsung m2 SSD and uses 1bit/cell. could not find the ssd euphony uses, but I think it is the cheapest, and uses 3 bits/cell. Best is of course 1 bit/cell. It is easy to solve, get a samsung pro ssd and install Euphony on that.
    - the ssd itself can also be passively cooled, Akasa has aluminium heatsinks for that, that need to be placed on the ssd. In my country only 10 euro. Akasa Thermal Solution
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    Quote Originally Posted by dminches View Post
    I don't think that is necessarily the case. Each computer in the signal/data chain adds the potential for noise from the power supplies and noise from the ethernet data flow.

    Given that stylus is not a demanding program to run I would be shocked if a 2 box system sounded better than 1.
    Here's one reviewer's opinion

    The Euphony Audio Summus Endpoint Review How do you improve upon digital perfection? Review By Tom Gibbs Of Positive Feedback

    And of course the developer of Stylus thinks it runs better on a 2 pc setup. Neither of these opinions can be said to be unbiased, though. The Euphony 2 pc system optimally uses only one power supply for both pc's and they are connected by a short Ethernet cable, none of which necessarily means better sound. If I try it sometime I'll let you know my impressions, but it probably won't happen soon; tape playback improvements come first.
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    Re: 2 pc music server

    A second Euphony pc using as bridge is purely marketing. It still is an adjusted nuc for a high end price. A dedicated streamer from another brand as bridge has a much better build then this Summus

    and the first pc, the streamer does not need the analog outputs and it is technically the same as my server, for more then twice the money. Beside that, there are servers available with audiophilic boards, audio philic sata cables, separate oxco clocks, and liquid cooling.

    For both those summus there are other alternatives available that can even do a better job, or are cheaper
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alkyogre View Post
    A second Euphony pc using as bridge is purely marketing. It still is an adjusted nuc for a high end price. A dedicated streamer from another brand as bridge has a much better build then this Summus

    and the first pc, the streamer does not need the analog outputs and it is technically the same as my server, for more then twice the money. Beside that, there are servers available with audiophilic boards, audio philic sata cables, separate oxco clocks, and liquid cooling.

    For both those summus there are other alternatives available that can even do a better job, or are cheaper
    Looking at Small Green Computer, the best I can come up with is a similar price (or slightly higher) for their sale bundle if one adds to it the cost of Stylus. If you don’t buy Stylus but use different music playing software then the SGC bundle is less expensive, although one still will probably buy music playing software in addition to Roon (which BTW does not work well with my music collection). If I ever can get Roon to recognize and play all my local music files that could change my calculation. It may work out differently in your country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rbbert View Post

    If I ever can get Roon to recognize and play all my local music files that could change my calculation.
    I wonder if your issue is related to having Roon properly pointing to your hard drive and/or “mapping” your drive in the computer where you have Roon Core running.

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    That was my thought. I have never had an issue with Roon recognizing any of my files. Yes, some classical may have meta data issues, but they all play fine.

    I assume you have setup your storage.... settings/storage, add in all folders you want Roon to watch. I have 5-6 different folders on 4 drives that were added to my Roon storage settings. I even have one that I enable or disable sometimes. You can tell Roon to watch these folders and any album/file that I put in is automatically available within Roon...
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    Re: 2 pc music server

    I have a lot of not officially released music (and therefore poorly tagged or not tagged at all) which I have not been able to get Roon to give me access to. Even some of my tagged music files don't seem to show up. All of that is in the same folders and drives as music Roon catalogs just fine, so there is something other than drive mapping going on. So far, perusing the Roon forums has not led to a solution, but I will probably try again sometime. Meanwhile, Euphony OS finds everything just fine, although its "browse" function is not nearly as nice as Roon's.
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    Re: 2 pc music server

    Quote Originally Posted by rbbert View Post
    Looking at Small Green Computer, the best I can come up with is a similar price (or slightly higher) for their sale bundle if one adds to it the cost of Stylus. If you donÂ’t buy Stylus but use different music playing software then the SGC bundle is less expensive, although one still will probably buy music playing software in addition to Roon (which BTW does not work well with my music collection). If I ever can get Roon to recognize and play all my local music files that could change my calculation. It may work out differently in your country.
    Linux software and the dependencies are the same for all distro's, including Euphony. There won't be an improvement here. Another platform is another distro, with their own lay out, but Roon still is Roon and HQPlayer is still HQPlayer.

    Second the hardware: a 2 pc hardware system consists of a server, the first pc, and the bridge the second pc.

    The first pc is the server. It really needs higher specs then the bridge. For instance Roon says that an i3 computer is the minimum. When converting to DSD (by forinstance HQPlayer) a lot of calculation power is needed, and a lot of heat will be produced. When not converting to DSD only upsampling to high res PCM, not much calculating power is needed and not much heat is produced.

    The second pc is the bridge. This pc does not need much specs, it only bridges, even a raspberry pi can fulfill the job. There are of course better bridges then that, but here, an Euphony i7 with 32 GB ram is overkill.

    if you combine the server and bridge you get a 2 in 1 system. The classic problem about this: computers produce a lot of electronical noice, and that disturbs audio. So for that reason, streamers (a kind of computer) is used and it is build to reduce noise. My fanless nucs, but also those from small green computer and Euphony have a motherboard, with a great case, The Euphony summus has some extra digital PS Audio output, which makes it appropriate for a 2 in 1 system, the other 2, can be used to hook a USB dac to it.

    But my nuc was never intended to use directly with a dac on it, however, after listening it sounds quite good, there are computer builders that really build pcs for audio, with special stuff build, think about a Pachenko, Paul Pang, Jcat and some more. And moreover there are still the classic server/streamer, like for instance the aurelic G2.

    so the question is: what sounds best? 2 Euphony vs 1 fanless nuc with a second streamer vs a 2 in one server/streamer system vs an audiophilic build computer directly hooked to a dac?
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    Re: 2 pc music server

    It depends on your setup. If you are serving your music to one location, your 2-channel system, then there is no need for a bridge. If you want to server to multiple location then you will to use a bridge. You can go directly out of the server to your DAC to your pre-amp if you are only serving files to your 2-channel system. Why add another un-needed component into the mix?

    My server serves all my music from internal drives directly to my DAC. No need for any other equipment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    It depends on your setup. If you are serving your music to one location, your 2-channel system, then there is no need for a bridge. If you want to server to multiple location then you will to use a bridge. You can go directly out of the server to your DAC to your pre-amp if you are only serving files to your 2-channel system. Why add another un-needed component into the mix?

    My server serves all my music from internal drives directly to my DAC. No need for any other equipment.
    because a pc power supply is poor, the pc itself need to be placed far away from your hifi setup, because it disturbes the other compartments and the environment inside is bad for audio.

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    I have not noticed this at all, but then again if one concentrates on high quality, cases, power supplies, etc., then these affects are minimized. Also, if one is really concerned a linear power supply could be used. I have heard arguments on both sides of that fence.

    However, you are now entering into an area that has been rehashed a hundred times and really is not worth going down that road again.
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    guys the thread was about setting up a dual pc server not sound lol. but since its about sound or tech why sound changes i can say this
    j river is a light resource player like others ie foobar and the like . roon is very heavy in resources . the fact is how the pc is used greatly effect's the sound quality .
    so we can all agree roon has the best or of the best user interface but how can the sound be made better . well even roon who claims each revision is better to my brain other players have some qualities i like .
    some single pc servers are made very powerful and one has dual cpu,s . its why i think it does , but to write software to keep services apart is very complex and give a big a thumbs up to how much effort they put into the best server sound possible .
    now for us less bucks up folk , if you use one pc just to run roon core and a second pc running a given player like hq player using the same audio network and running roon bridge to allow the first pc to see the second . one can achieve a greatly improved sound and have a great roon interface too
    now the first pc needs to not be as powerful as the second if you just use it for roon alone . while a more powerful pc does sound better , if you dont upsample from roon or use its many other features a quad core i5 is enough . now the second pc can be less but you cannot up sample . if you are one who likes the sound of upsampling with hq plater min is an quad core i5 but better to be i7 multi core cpu .
    now the power we use while some insist a good high power switching psu is good enough and it can be . now some very low noise switching psus are around . my point is to use two of them is a good start . as once you go down the road of using linear ones price goes up fast .
    if you plan to use just one better psu alone use it on the player pc but know the roon core also does better if using one as well
    now hq player is a blizzard of drop sown menus to use. this alone makes them non user friendly . but there is plenty of info out there . its why i posted this thread .
    a note you must turn off all firewall and virus protections and a stand alone router just for audio is highly recommend .
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    Again, all above has been discussed many times over. So that all is clear, I have run extensive tests on software resource usage. JRiver uses as much if not more resources than Roon Core does. Roon Core, by itself is very resource light, using about 2%-4% of my CPU (I have 8 Cores in my machine). On the other hand, HQPlayer is notorious for being resource intensive. I run both Roon Core and HQPlayer on the same machine and it uses on average about 27% - 30% of my available resources (CPU). The one thing that does show is that CPU utilization is the most used resource. Hard drive use with M.2 drives in non-existent. RAM use is minimal. CPU can spike as high as 45% however. Both Roon and HQPlayer are designed to utilize multiple cores.

    As a software and database professional I understand a little about some of this stuff. I prefer to minimize the hardware that my signal runs through. No matter how good network equipment is (most is not good at all) it will and does affect your musical signal. I prefer to serve my music direct from the server machine and therefore minimize any hardware that it travels through. The signal goes through high quality USB cable straight to my DAC.
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    Sorry a made a typo I meant Roon desktop not core
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    Again, all above has been discussed many times over. So that all is clear, I have run extensive tests on software resource usage. JRiver uses as much if not more resources than Roon Core does. Roon Core, by itself is very resource light, using about 2%-4% of my CPU (I have 8 Cores in my machine). On the other hand, HQPlayer is notorious for being resource intensive. I run both Roon Core and HQPlayer on the same machine and it uses on average about 27% - 30% of my available resources (CPU). The one thing that does show is that CPU utilization is the most used resource. Hard drive use with M.2 drives in non-existent. RAM use is minimal. CPU can spike as high as 45% however. Both Roon and HQPlayer are designed to utilize multiple cores.

    As a software and database professional I understand a little about some of this stuff. I prefer to minimize the hardware that my signal runs through. No matter how good network equipment is (most is not good at all) it will and does affect your musical signal. I prefer to server my music direct from the server machine and therefore minimize any hardware that it travels through. The signal goes through high quality USB cable straight to my DAC.
    No disrespect but it’s not just what you see going on it’s how it sounds.
    There is no way running Roon desktop and hq player sound is better then a second pc
    even if you use Roon core and hq it’s still obvious once you use a second pc for the
    Player
    yes I have done many tests on software and formats used bias settings
    No matter what the sound is what it’s about
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    The main Board used matters as much as the cpu and ram
    You can’t measure this but it’s true
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    Again, all above has been discussed many times over. So that all is clear, I have run extensive tests on software resource usage. JRiver uses as much if not more resources than Roon Core does. Roon Core, by itself is very resource light, using about 2%-4% of my CPU (I have 8 Cores in my machine). On the other hand, HQPlayer is notorious for being resource intensive. I run both Roon Core and HQPlayer on the same machine and it uses on average about 27% - 30% of my available resources (CPU). The one thing that does show is that CPU utilization is the most used resource. Hard drive use with M.2 drives in non-existent. RAM use is minimal. CPU can spike as high as 45% however. Both Roon and HQPlayer are designed to utilize multiple cores.

    As a software and database professional I understand a little about some of this stuff. I prefer to minimize the hardware that my signal runs through. No matter how good network equipment is (most is not good at all) it will and does affect your musical signal. I prefer to serve my music direct from the server machine and therefore minimize any hardware that it travels through. The signal goes through high quality USB cable straight to my DAC.
    I don't want to make a dispute: In the meantime after my post the new Hans Beekhuyzen video appeared: the first sentence from Beekhuyzen: "'Computers are made for anything but audio, unless special care is taken". Please watch this vid: I wish anyone the best stuff. Please understand that special care is not building a game pc that is used for audio. Audio Pc's are different then normal standard consumer pc's/ Singxer Audio SU 6 USB audio bridge - YouTube

    By the way: my nucs are tested: the nuc 8i5 measures about 80% of CPU uses when using 512 DSD on HQPlayer, the 8i7 about 30%. they can do the HQPlayer job too, with usage of just a 19 Volt, 5 Ampere external LPS and fanless cooling. The Euphony Summus is in specs identical.
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    I’m sure it’s fine but as I said it’s how it sounds
    Without getting into what’s best a low power cpu and main board quad core 2.7 gig can play dsd 512 on hq player. let me know if you can upsample from Ted book to any dsd lol.
    Based on your comment does anyone need a taiko 😳 I’ll
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    Ps if you sell products I’m sure it sounds great as my post is a general comment not meant to offend anyone making audio devices
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alkyogre View Post
    after my post the new Hans Beekhuyzen video appeared
    I really am not a fan of his. I have watched several of his videos and find them not only boring but also riffed with inaccuracies and over bloated ego opinions. I do not consider his opinions very valuable and certainly do not consider him any kind of an authority. Much of what he says is fairly obvious, but also much feels like advertisements.
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    let me know if you can upsample from Ted book to any dsd lol.
    I assume you mean Red Book? I upsample everything that plays from my sever to DSD512/48 (24.6Mhz) with HQPlayer. Red Book CD rips upsample fine as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alrainbow View Post
    Based on your comment does anyone need a taiko 😳 I’ll Bet most say they do
    Of course I would love a SGM Extreme. One of the most powerful Windows computers purpose designed for audio available in the world. Compared to my 8 Core machine the SGM has 20 Cores .

    At about $30,000 it is out of my budget (if you are offering I will gladly take ). For many of us we can come close and still be able to pay the mortgage!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alrainbow View Post
    Ps if you sell products I’m sure it sounds great as my post is a general comment not meant to offend anyone making audio devices
    I also have one big problem in that he is required to disclose that he is a distributor/seller according to the rules on AS. It does appear he is a representative and I do not see him clearly disclosing this in his signature. Mike is gracious enough to allow sellers (who honestly are in competition with him) to post so long as they clearly state as such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alrainbow View Post
    Based on your comment does anyone need a taiko 😳 I’ll
    Bet most say they do
    After auditioning and A/B'ing the Taiko I no longer want the unit. I know a couple others who feel the same but they can speak for themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rbbert View Post
    I have a lot of not officially released music (and therefore poorly tagged or not tagged at all) which I have not been able to get Roon to give me access to. Even some of my tagged music files don't seem to show up. All of that is in the same folders and drives as music Roon catalogs just fine, so there is something other than drive mapping going on. So far, perusing the Roon forums has not led to a solution, but I will probably try again sometime. Meanwhile, Euphony OS finds everything just fine, although its "browse" function is not nearly as nice as Roon's.
    If your files aren't tagged, then Roon isn't going to find them. I use dBpoweramp to edit tags, artwork, etc. and, after editing the tags, Roon has no problem adding them to the database.

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    Quote Originally Posted by still-one View Post
    After auditioning and A/B'ing the Taiko I no longer want the unit. I know a couple others who feel the same but they can speak for themselves.
    I'm curious, what didn't you like about it?

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    The one thing that makes me wonder or makes me think is when people talk about adding hardware to resolve a digital signal issue. Inline switches that are not actually being used as switches, second PCs running different processes, etc.

    Hardware cannot improve a digital signal. After the signal is processed by the player software and sent on from the server the only thing that can be achieved is to minimize the degradation of the signal. People talk about minimizing noise, etc., which I agree is important, but adding more hardware has the potential of, and most usually does, add noise. Therefore, since it cannot actually improve the signal, logic says that adding additional hardware will increase the chance of the signal being degraded.

    Therefore, I am definitely in the corner of minimizing additional and in my view unnecessary hardware. This is one of the reasons I serve all my music files from drives in the single machine. The signal literal goes from software playing/process straight to the DAC. No switches, ethernet wiring, extra processing units, etc., etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    The one thing that makes me wonder or makes me think is when people talk about adding hardware to resolve a digital signal issue. Inline switches that are not actually being used as switches, second PCs running different processes, etc.

    Hardware cannot improve a digital signal. After the signal is processed by the player software and sent on from the server the only thing that can be achieved is to minimize the degradation of the signal. People talk about minimizing noise, etc., which I agree is important, but adding more hardware has the potential of, and most usually does, add noise. Therefore, since it cannot actually improve the signal, logic says that adding additional hardware will increase the chance of the signal being degraded.

    Therefore, I am definitely in the corner of minimizing additional and in my view unnecessary hardware. This is one of the reasons I serve all my music files from drives in the single machine. The signal literal goes from software playing/process straight to the DAC. No switches, ethernet wiring, extra processing units, etc., etc.
    I agree with what you are saying but the issue is that if your streamer or player is connected to your home internet then everything starting from your router "matters."

    I don't look at it as adding things to fix problems. I look at it as adding things to reduce the problems caused by switches and other devices connected to the same subnet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 7ryder View Post
    If your files aren't tagged, then Roon isn't going to find them. I use dBpoweramp to edit tags, artwork, etc. and, after editing the tags, Roon has no problem adding them to the database.
    If you feel like individually tagging files from about 2,000 (maybe more) unofficial concert recordings (each with anywhere from 5-30 files) you are more dedicated than I. At this time I try to tag untagged files as I add them, and in general people who post things like European FM live jazz are better about tagging them than in the past, but either way I have too much untagged music for Roon to be very useful for me.

    Of course I use dBPoweramp, often utilizing its ability to batch tag, but that task would still be overwhelming with minimal ROI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rbbert View Post
    If you feel like individually tagging files from about 2,000 (maybe more) unofficial concert recordings (each with anywhere from 5-30 files) you are more dedicated than I. At this time I try to tag untagged files as I add them, and in general people who post things like European FM live jazz are better about tagging them than in the past, but either way I have too much untagged music for Roon to be very useful for me.

    Of course I use dBPoweramp, often utilizing its ability to batch tag, but that task would still be overwhelming with minimal ROI.
    I had the same issue, of course.

    I use Tag&Rename which allows one to tag an entire show at once. You can tag "Grateful Dead" for the artist and "1973-11-11" as the album name and everything will show up except the song names, but you know them by heart anyway .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    The one thing that makes me wonder or makes me think is when people talk about adding hardware to resolve a digital signal issue. Inline switches that are not actually being used as switches, second PCs running different processes, etc.

    Hardware cannot improve a digital signal. After the signal is processed by the player software and sent on from the server the only thing that can be achieved is to minimize the degradation of the signal. People talk about minimizing noise, etc., which I agree is important, but adding more hardware has the potential of, and most usually does, add noise. Therefore, since it cannot actually improve the signal, logic says that adding additional hardware will increase the chance of the signal being degraded.

    Therefore, I am definitely in the corner of minimizing additional and in my view unnecessary hardware. This is one of the reasons I serve all my music files from drives in the single machine. The signal literal goes from software playing/process straight to the DAC. No switches, ethernet wiring, extra processing units, etc., etc.
    please try a reclocker between your pc and dac, probably it would change your opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by u-sound View Post
    please try a reclocker between your pc and dac, probably it would change your opinion.
    Hehe... I have a reclocker... I recently removed it from my system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dminches View Post
    I agree with what you are saying but the issue is that if your streamer or player is connected to your home internet then everything starting from your router "matters."

    I don't look at it as adding things to fix problems. I look at it as adding things to reduce the problems caused by switches and other devices connected to the same subnet.
    I certainly would agree with you about home network equipment... routers, switches, etc. And streaming, now you're counting on the signal going through countless devices... another reason I keep all files to be played internal on my server machine .
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    Quote Originally Posted by dminches View Post
    I had the same issue, of course.

    I use Tag&Rename which allows one to tag an entire show at once. You can tag "Grateful Dead" for the artist and "1973-11-11" as the album name and everything will show up except the song names, but you know them by heart anyway .
    I have done that (dBPoweramp also works for a bunch of files at once) for most of my GD, but it's not as effective for other groups and especially jazz, and classical music tags are often a mess even for official releases. As you know, though, Euphony OS lets one find almost everything as long as it is named (not necessarily tagged)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    Hehe... I have a reclocker... I recently removed it from my system.

    that surprises me as i had great sucess with it and also every top manufactor of musicservers and all diy freaks are putting a lot of effort into theyr usb card (reclocker). it is a very critical point.
    does your pc have any kind of a dedicated usb card already? what reclocker did you try?

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    I have pulled it in and out of the system a few times. I have what I consider one of the best USB re-clockers, a Wyred 4 Sound Recovery. I also picked up an iFi iPower linear power supply for it. It definitely made a big difference with previous DACs, but with the T+A it seems to be much closer. Probably why I go back and forth with it .
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    ah yes, that could be the explanation...the t&a might have a dedicated input.

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