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    Classé Delta PRE Stereo Preamplifier and Delta STEREO Power Amplifier Review

    Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.

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    Re: Classé Delta PRE Stereo Preamplifier and Delta STEREO Power Amplifier Review

    In 2013 I was looking for a good preamp and had the Classe CP-800 on long loan from a dealer. I was most impressed by its sound quality, build and looks. I had a Linn Akurate DS to compare it with and I preferred the Classe.

    The new Delta PRE appears identical, though I'm sure there are internal differences. It's odd that so very little of any improvements inside the box are reflected on the outside - or even back panel. At the time, I concluded that it offered far more features than I needed (lots of analogue inputs, phono stage, etc) so I passed in the hope that Classe might introduce a simpler but equally good sounding digital preamp at a lower price. Then the CP-800 was discontinued (? change of ownership?) and only their less attractive black-cased units remained.

    Now the more desirable CP-800 has been re-introduced under a new name and perhaps better sound quality. Pity there's no streaming facility, or even mention that there may be a streamer board (akin to NAD's BluOS module) available in the future to occupy the bay designed for the HDMI card supplied with the reviewer's PRE. Peter

    Spot the difference. Colour optional for both I believe
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    Re: Classé Delta PRE Stereo Preamplifier and Delta STEREO Power Amplifier Review

    Quote Originally Posted by Hear Here View Post
    In 2013 I was looking for a good preamp and had the Classe CP-800 on long loan from a dealer. I was most impressed by its sound quality, build and looks. I had a Linn Akurate DS to compare it with and I preferred the Classe.

    The new Delta PRE appears identical, though I'm sure there are internal differences. It's odd that so very little of any improvements inside the box are reflected on the outside - or even back panel. At the time, I concluded that it offered far more features than I needed (lots of analogue inputs, phono stage, etc) so I passed in the hope that Classe might introduce a simpler but equally good sounding digital preamp at a lower price. Then the CP-800 was discontinued (? change of ownership?) and only their less attractive black-cased units remained.

    Now the more desirable CP-800 has been re-introduced under a new name and perhaps better sound quality. Pity there's no streaming facility, or even mention that there may be a streamer board (akin to NAD's BluOS module) available in the future to occupy the bay designed for the HDMI card supplied with the reviewer's PRE. Peter

    Spot the difference.
    There is streaming capabilities.




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    Re: Classé Delta PRE Stereo Preamplifier and Delta STEREO Power Amplifier Review

    Anybody read that review and learn anything about how the gear actually sounds?
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    Re: Classé Delta PRE Stereo Preamplifier and Delta STEREO Power Amplifier Review

    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    Anybody read that review and learn anything about how the gear actually sounds?
    No, but the graphs were pretty!


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    Re: Classé Delta PRE Stereo Preamplifier and Delta STEREO Power Amplifier Review

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    There is streaming capabilities.
    Neither the review that Joe mentioned, nor this one Classe Audio Delta Pre Preamplifier/Processor and Delta Stereo Amplifier - The Absolute Sound makes any mention of streaming. They do say that control apps for Android devices are available if connected via Ethernet. How sure are you that this Classe preamp can stream from Tidal, Qobuz, etc? It would be worthy of consideration if that was possible. Peter
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    Re: Classé Delta PRE Stereo Preamplifier and Delta STEREO Power Amplifier Review

    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    Anybody read that review and learn anything about how the gear actually sounds?
    It doesn’t matter what someone else thinks about gear, it’s what you think after an in home or store demo.
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    Re: Classé Delta PRE Stereo Preamplifier and Delta STEREO Power Amplifier Review

    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    It doesn’t matter what someone else thinks about gear, it’s what you think after an in home or store demo.
    If that's true, why do you post links to reviews? Not everyone has the option of listening to gear in their system prior to purchase. Some people actually read as many reviews of gear they are interested in purchasing to see if there is any consensus on how the gear sounds.
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    Re: Classé Delta PRE Stereo Preamplifier and Delta STEREO Power Amplifier Review

    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    If that's true, why do you post links to reviews? Not everyone has the option of listening to gear in their system prior to purchase. Some people actually read as many reviews of gear they are interested in purchasing to see if there is any consensus on how the gear sounds.
    Not everyone has the intention of buying but like to see what’s out there.

    I’m posting information for gear that I see. I can’t help what the actual content contains.

    Surely you don’t recommend buying something just because a few reviews might infer that it sounds okay without them actually hearing it?
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    Re: Classé Delta PRE Stereo Preamplifier and Delta STEREO Power Amplifier Review

    While Classé audio is far from being in the upper high end brands Mike is selling, the few videos where those Classé appears on his youtube channel all sounds surprisingly more satisfying to my ears than the true big boys he (also) does play on his channel...

    I know it's youtube, it's compressed, it's through cheap speakers and so on but all things being equal in the end anyway, the Classé brings me that "ohhhh yeahhhh" feeling that we all are looking for...
    Audiophile on paper, poor bastard in reality...

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    Re: Classé Delta PRE Stereo Preamplifier and Delta STEREO Power Amplifier Review

    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    If that's true, why do you post links to reviews? Not everyone has the option of listening to gear in their system prior to purchase. Some people actually read as many reviews of gear they are interested in purchasing to see if there is any consensus on how the gear sounds.
    But the sound you will hear in your own home will bear little resemblance to the sound the reviewers hear in their rooms. If you can't get a dealer of a respected brand to loan a unit for a home demo, then think twice about spending your money with them. The manufacturer / importer / distributor will almost certainly be able to guide you towards a more helpful dealer. Even if you have to pay for return carriage, this is a small cost compared with having to re-sell a unit that just doesn't match you speakers, you room and your listening preferences. Granted this is less critical with amps compared with speakers, but I home demo'd a dozen amps before settling on the one I did, even though many of the others were very well reviewed.
    Sources - NAD M50.2 (streamer, CD player, CD ripper, hard drive music store)
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    Re: Classé Delta PRE Stereo Preamplifier and Delta STEREO Power Amplifier Review

    Quote Originally Posted by Hear Here View Post
    Neither the review that Joe mentioned, nor this one Classe Audio Delta Pre Preamplifier/Processor and Delta Stereo Amplifier - The Absolute Sound makes any mention of streaming. They do say that control apps for Android devices are available if connected via Ethernet. How sure are you that this Classe preamp can stream from Tidal, Qobuz, etc? It would be worthy of consideration if that was possible. Peter
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    Re: Classé Delta PRE Stereo Preamplifier and Delta STEREO Power Amplifier Review

    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    Not everyone has the intention of buying but like to see what’s out there.

    I’m posting information for gear that I see. I can’t help what the actual content contains.

    Surely you don’t recommend buying something just because a few reviews might infer that it sounds okay without them actually hearing it?
    Surely you're not inferring that everyone has the ability to hear gear they are thinking of purchasing in their own system prior to purchase are you?
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    Re: Classé Delta PRE Stereo Preamplifier and Delta STEREO Power Amplifier Review

    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    Surely you're not inferring that everyone has the ability to hear gear they are thinking of purchasing in their own system prior to purchase are you?
    I also mentioned store or showroom that you conveniently left out. Is there something about Classe that makes the buying process different than other gear? You think someone isn’t going to track down someway to hear it before buying it? Or at least get a 30/60 day return policy at point or sale? Okay
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    Re: Classé Delta PRE Stereo Preamplifier and Delta STEREO Power Amplifier Review

    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    Surely you're not inferring that everyone has the ability to hear gear they are thinking of purchasing in their own system prior to purchase are you?
    I admit to being OCD, but I cannot recall EVER purchasing an audio component that I didn't try out or go hear (and then, only IF I thought the demo would be done well with a properly set-up system), or if all of that was unavailable, a proven/guaranteed return option had to be available with no hassle.

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    Re: Classé Delta PRE Stereo Preamplifier and Delta STEREO Power Amplifier Review

    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    I also mentioned store or showroom that you conveniently left out. Is there something about Classe that makes the buying process different than other gear? You think someone isn’t going to track down someway to hear it before buying it? Or at least get a 30/60 day return policy at point or sale? Okay
    I didn't leave "conveniently" leave out "store or showroom." We all agree hearing gear in your own system prior to purchase would be optimum. Getting a dealer to let you borrow gear is another kettle of fish unless you have a very established relationship.
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    Re: Classé Delta PRE Stereo Preamplifier and Delta STEREO Power Amplifier Review

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Smith View Post
    I admit to being OCD, but I cannot recall EVER purchasing an audio component that I didn't try out or go hear (and then, only IF I thought the demo would be done well with a properly set-up system), or if all of that was unavailable, a proven/guaranteed return option had to be available with no hassle.

    That includes everything in the list below.
    To be fair, not sure you heard your Fyne’s before buying….but I could be wrong.

    In store demo is the most realistic today IMO.


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    Re: Classé Delta PRE Stereo Preamplifier and Delta STEREO Power Amplifier Review

    Quote Originally Posted by Hear Here View Post
    But the sound you will hear in your own home will bear little resemblance to the sound the reviewers hear in their rooms. If you can't get a dealer of a respected brand to loan a unit for a home demo, then think twice about spending your money with them. The manufacturer / importer / distributor will almost certainly be able to guide you towards a more helpful dealer. Even if you have to pay for return carriage, this is a small cost compared with having to re-sell a unit that just doesn't match you speakers, you room and your listening preferences. Granted this is less critical with amps compared with speakers, but I home demo'd a dozen amps before settling on the one I did, even though many of the others were very well reviewed.
    Really?

    Little?
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    Re: Classé Delta PRE Stereo Preamplifier and Delta STEREO Power Amplifier Review

    Quote Originally Posted by Myles B. Astor View Post
    Really?

    Little?
    And to take that to the next logical step in that train of thought, that means the gear you hear in a dealer's showroom will bear little resemblance to the sound you will hear in your own home.
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    Re: Classé Delta PRE Stereo Preamplifier and Delta STEREO Power Amplifier Review

    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    It doesn’t matter what someone else thinks about gear, it’s what you think after an in home or store demo.
    Post #7
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    Topping D90, RME Audio ADI-2 DAC FS, ModWright Ultimate Sony XA-5400ES.

    Burmester 948, McIntosh MCLK12, Kimber Kable, Siltech, Cardas, Avanti Audio cables.

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    Re: Classé Delta PRE Stereo Preamplifier and Delta STEREO Power Amplifier Review

    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post

    Post #7
    Yes, I missed that at first blush.
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    Re: Classé Delta PRE Stereo Preamplifier and Delta STEREO Power Amplifier Review

    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    I didn't leave "conveniently" leave out "store or showroom." We all agree hearing gear in your own system prior to purchase would be optimum. Getting a dealer to let you borrow gear is another kettle of fish unless you have a very established relationship.
    Keep changing the terms.
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    The predecessor of this pre was/is a terrific piece. Very good reviews by both TAS and Stereophile. The Delta amps I’ve heard with the Kharma DB9S and sound fantastic. Too bad the review Joe posted is anemic and, frankly, incomplete with sound details.
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    Who makes Classe' now. It used to be made in Quebec if I'm not mistaking.
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    Who makes Classe' now. It used to be made in Quebec if I'm not mistaking.
    Made in japan


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    By the Denon and Marantz factory - correct?
    At the Denon and Marantz factory, but a special classe team. Design still done in Montreal by the same team. Assembly in Japan. The best kept secrets in audio. Insanely good for the money.


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    To be fair, not sure you heard your Fyne’s before buying….but I could be wrong.

    In store demo is the most realistic today IMO.


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    In store demo is the most realistic today IMO.

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    Sorry, I do not agree at all. In YOUR store, I agree, but in 90% of the others - no way.

    IMO, of course.
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    Sorry, I do not agree at all. In YOUR store, I agree, but in 90% of the others - no way.

    IMO, of course.
    It’s a much longer discussion. Local customers, no problem. Out of state loaners, we have seen so much abuse, I could write a novel.


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    It’s a much longer discussion. Local customers, no problem. Out of state loaners, we have seen so much abuse, I could write a novel.

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    Wow!

    I didn't know that it had gotten so bad with long distance prospects.

    IMO, they should have been grateful at a minimum.

    Is it the distance - yet with contact immediacy - of the internet?
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    Wow!

    I didn't know that it had gotten so bad with long distance prospects.

    IMO, they should have been grateful at a minimum.

    Is it the distance - yet with contact immediacy - of the internet?
    I think so.


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