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    Re: CH Precision Announces New 10 Series

    Quote Originally Posted by gian60 View Post
    I live in Italy and listen very well all Swiss best amp from friend,distributor and shop,including Fm,Solution,Nagra,Dartzeel,Audio Consulting,Goldmund,Swiss Phisics,All really fantastic,but i prefer CH and i have L1,P1,X1,M1 mono
    I find incredible L1 with X1 so i cannot image L10 where they revised some and use better quality resistors and capacitors.
    Sure will be a masterpiece.Same for P10 that CH will do in future

    End of this year i have to decide if do L1 mono with 2 X1 or take L 10
    This choice could be will be not simple,i think
    gian,

    I hear you. I have an MSB Select II and stupidly tried an L1 stereo with an X1 to see the difference between MSB direct versus the L1/X1. Costly mistake BUT I am holding off until the dust settles and see what is truly going to be.

  2. #52

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    Quote Originally Posted by Priaptor View Post
    gian,

    I hear you. I have an MSB Select II and stupidly tried an L1 stereo with an X1 to see the difference between MSB direct versus the L1/X1. Costly mistake BUT I am holding off until the dust settles and see what is truly going to be.
    Can let us know how adding L1 improves on Select preamp? MSB claims there is no need for preamp. Their argument is adding an component into the chain will only add distortions. But I always find built in preamp in DAC can’t compete with top preamp.

  3. #53

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adyc View Post
    Can let us know how adding L1 improves on Select preamp? MSB claims there is no need for preamp. Their argument is adding an component into the chain will only add distortions. But I always find built in preamp in DAC can’t compete with top preamp.
    I had an ARC REF10 prior to upgrading the MSB to the Select II. I was very sure that the "hyperbole" of MSB was just that and that surely the pre stage on the Select couldn't be better. Well I was wrong. The MSB direct was, IMHO, better. More neutral and alive. It was an easy choice and selling the REF10 helped make my rationalization of upgrading to the Select II much easier.

    However, upon the recommendation of several who have tried (and purchased it), I was cajoled into trying the L1 Stereo + X1 power supply. Took a couple of days to get the gain just right but once matched I was pretty shocked how good it was. Depth and width definitely increased and noise floor (amazing with the MSB direct) got even better. I was flabbergasted as I wasn't expecting any improvement. I can't say the bass was any better. More dimensionality, which is hard to imagine and more neutral, another aspect I was surprised to find.

    Now is it worth the price? At near or just under or over 50K list, there lies the issue. I can't say. I have been listening direct again for the last two weeks and I definitely "miss" the L1/X1 BUT the MSB direct is world class, IMHO, better than a world class preamp I sold the REF10 and since I am digital only, find it difficult to justify the cost for the incremental improvement. BUT there was a significant improvement which I was not expecting.

  4. #54

    Re: CH Precision Announces New 10 Series

    Quote Originally Posted by Priaptor View Post
    I had an ARC REF10 prior to upgrading the MSB to the Select II. I was very sure that the "hyperbole" of MSB was just that and that surely the pre stage on the Select couldn't be better. Well I was wrong. The MSB direct was, IMHO, better. More neutral and alive. It was an easy choice and selling the REF10 helped make my rationalization of upgrading to the Select II much easier.

    However, upon the recommendation of several who have tried (and purchased it), I was cajoled into trying the L1 Stereo + X1 power supply. Took a couple of days to get the gain just right but once matched I was pretty shocked how good it was. Depth and width definitely increased and noise floor (amazing with the MSB direct) got even better. I was flabbergasted as I wasn't expecting any improvement. I can't say the bass was any better. More dimensionality, which is hard to imagine and more neutral, another aspect I was surprised to find.

    Now is it worth the price? At near or just under or over 50K list, there lies the issue. I can't say. I have been listening direct again for the last two weeks and I definitely "miss" the L1/X1 BUT the MSB direct is world class, IMHO, better than a world class preamp I sold the REF10 and since I am digital only, find it difficult to justify the cost for the incremental improvement. BUT there was a significant improvement which I was not expecting.
    Many thanks for sharing your thoughts. Were there any differences in timbres and microdynamics and were they just minor? Also, did you use a Goebel interconnect? Many thanks.

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    Re: CH Precision Announces New 10 Series

    Quote Originally Posted by ashandger View Post
    Many thanks for sharing your thoughts. Were there any differences in timbres and microdynamics and were they just minor? Also, did you use a Goebel interconnect? Many thanks.
    Yes I used all Gobel cables. I didn't, but would have like to have used, a Gobel plug to the X1. I have Gobel plugs everywhere else. Timbre were not drastically different but subtle, again slightly in favor of the L1/X1. Microdynamics was a significant surprise in improvement possibly because the noise floor was so improved.

    My Gobel speakers are extremely good at producing that holographic stage I find endearing about many other speakers like some panels, MBLs, etc and the improvement in space with the L1/X1 was also stellar.

    It was an eye opening event for me that I wasn't expecting.

  6. #56

    Re: CH Precision Announces New 10 Series

    Quote Originally Posted by Priaptor View Post
    Yes I used all Gobel cables. I didn't, but would have like to have used, a Gobel plug to the X1. I have Gobel plugs everywhere else. Timbre were not drastically different but subtle, again slightly in favor of the L1/X1. Microdynamics was a significant surprise in improvement possibly because the noise floor was so improved.

    My Gobel speakers are extremely good at producing that holographic stage I find endearing about many other speakers like some panels, MBLs, etc and the improvement in space with the L1/X1 was also stellar.

    It was an eye opening event for me that I wasn't expecting.
    Wonderful. Many thanks for the feedback. Roy Gregory was also very impressed with the L1 when he reviewed the CH gear.

  7. #57

    Re: CH Precision Announces New 10 Series

    Quote Originally Posted by Priaptor View Post
    I had an ARC REF10 prior to upgrading the MSB to the Select II. I was very sure that the "hyperbole" of MSB was just that and that surely the pre stage on the Select couldn't be better. Well I was wrong. The MSB direct was, IMHO, better. More neutral and alive. It was an easy choice and selling the REF10 helped make my rationalization of upgrading to the Select II much easier.

    However, upon the recommendation of several who have tried (and purchased it), I was cajoled into trying the L1 Stereo + X1 power supply. Took a couple of days to get the gain just right but once matched I was pretty shocked how good it was. Depth and width definitely increased and noise floor (amazing with the MSB direct) got even better. I was flabbergasted as I wasn't expecting any improvement. I can't say the bass was any better. More dimensionality, which is hard to imagine and more neutral, another aspect I was surprised to find.

    Now is it worth the price? At near or just under or over 50K list, there lies the issue. I can't say. I have been listening direct again for the last two weeks and I definitely "miss" the L1/X1 BUT the MSB direct is world class, IMHO, better than a world class preamp I sold the REF10 and since I am digital only, find it difficult to justify the cost for the incremental improvement. BUT there was a significant improvement which I was not expecting.

    Many thanks for for your thoughts. It is very helpful. But can you expand a little bit on matching the gains? Do you mean adjust the input sensitivity?

  8. #58

    Re: CH Precision Announces New 10 Series

    Quote Originally Posted by Priaptor View Post
    Yes I used all Gobel cables. I didn't, but would have like to have used, a Gobel plug to the X1. I have Gobel plugs everywhere else. Timbre were not drastically different but subtle, again slightly in favor of the L1/X1. Microdynamics was a significant surprise in improvement possibly because the noise floor was so improved.

    My Gobel speakers are extremely good at producing that holographic stage I find endearing about many other speakers like some panels, MBLs, etc and the improvement in space with the L1/X1 was also stellar.

    It was an eye opening event for me that I wasn't expecting.
    I find your comments intriguing particularly because of how adamant the conventional wisdom is that the MSB sounds better without a preamp.

    It speaks volumes about the quality of the two-box CH L1/X1 stereo combo. And you may be even more surprised about the positive effect of the 4-Box CH L1-X1 mono combo. Although at that point, the marginal performance/cost ratio may become harder to justify.


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  9. #59

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    I apologize for jumping into a CH Precision thread, however I felt it worthwhile mentioning that I have also tested MSB Select direct vs through a preamp, and preferred the sound including the preamp. The amps were Naim Statement set. I would love to compare CH to Naim... Best regards to all.

  10. #60

    Re: CH Precision Announces New 10 Series

    Quote Originally Posted by Adyc View Post
    Many thanks for for your thoughts. It is very helpful. But can you expand a little bit on matching the gains? Do you mean adjust the input sensitivity?
    I have an M1.1 which was set to a global feedback of 10% and gain of 2.5. MSB recommends using their DAC with volume setting at 94-98 depending upon the preamp with 98 being recommended for most preamps. The L1 was set at a gain of 0. So I listened to some of my go to albums while trying to to matching all the options. Ultimately I found leaving M1.1 at 2.5 was best. MSB set to 98 was the correct setting. Increasing the gain/sensitivity on the XLR input on the L1 to 3.5 I found was ultimately the right ticket and closest to what I was used to with the MSB direct

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    Re: CH Precision Announces New 10 Series

    Quote Originally Posted by Dguitarnut View Post
    Moderators should boot all these narcissistic idiotphiles who have have no sense of civility in their posts. They should go back to posting in WBF where this type of interaction is rampant.
    Sorry
    I think an inappropriate comment. Priaptor has shown with correctness and firmness his point of view that does not coincide with that of the owner of the forum. I suppose it can be done ?. By the way, the only one who has used the insult is you.
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    I didn’t name anyone!

    But if the shoe fits wear it.
    Tal vez te queda también?
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    Re: CH Precision Announces New 10 Series

    Quote Originally Posted by nonesup View Post
    I think an inappropriate comment. Priaptor has shown with correctness and firmness his point of view that does not coincide with that of the owner of the forum. I suppose it can be done ?. By the way, the only one who has used the insult is you.
    When you are a guest in someone’s home you don’t insult or attack the host. I find it to be very ill mannered and RUDE!
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    CH Precision Announces New 10 Series

    Quote Originally Posted by Dguitarnut View Post
    When you are a guest in someone’s home you don’t insult or attack the host. I find it to be very ill mannered and RUDE!
    I’m gone.

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    1. Now it comes that he did not name anyone ?, it was obvious to whom he insulted.
    2. I very much doubt that Mike wants special privileges for being the owner. When he publishes is one more.
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    Re: CH Precision Announces New 10 Series

    Let’s just get this topic back on track.


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    Re: CH Precision Announces New 10 Series

    Quote Originally Posted by Dguitarnut View Post
    When you are a guest in someone’s home you don’t insult or attack the host. I find it to be very ill mannered and RUDE!
    ??? ... and I thought this's an open forum where members can exchange ideas and share experiences which may differ. Absurd!!!!!

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    Just In, CH M10 in the Dark finish, considerably deeper than M1.1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jambo View Post
    Just In, CH M10 in the Dark finish, considerably deeper than M1.1

    It’s VERY deep.


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    Great pictures. The depth should be due to two big transformers inside the case. Similar to MBL 9011. Can you also take L10 photos please?

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    CH L10 in Gold. Looks like they also have another L10 next to it - showing it's back.
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    Nice looking gear! With performance to match I imagine.
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    Hi All

    I’m an owner of a CH Precision preamp and amp and also agree with some of the posts about customer service. I have had several dealings with Florian and their response to questions and supplying some additional parts was first class. Best I have come across to date.

    Yes their equipment price is not cheap but at least they back up an outstanding product with customer service unlike some other brands I won’t mention on public forums.

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    Re: CH Precision Announces New 10 Series

    L 10 inside

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    Impressive. Did anyone hear it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LVB View Post
    Impressive. Did anyone hear it?
    It was static display only. Very impressive in sheer size - very deep. Can’t wait to hear it. It’s a pricey one, but I have high hopes.


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    Will be sold starting from december together with M 10
    P 10 will be ready half 2010

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    Some more shots from the CH room(s) during the show. CH was clearly the dominant on the highest level among the manufacturers of solid state electronics. Wonderful products by great people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perfect Sense View Post
    Some more shots from the CH room(s) during the show. CH was clearly the dominant on the highest level among the manufacturers of solid state electronics. Wonderful products by great people.

    / Marcus, www.perfect-sense.se





    True. Gotta give credit where credit is due.


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