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    Re: CES 2014 - Day 3

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Nope. I'm happy with the Lumin. But the Nagra sounds terrific. $28,000 is a little steep.
    With your history and recent fever...you're not qualified to use the word "steep!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by mdkim View Post
    With your history and recent fever...you're not qualified to use the word "steep!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by mdkim View Post
    With your history and recent fever...you're not qualified to use the word "steep!"
    Ha! But the things I bought won't be outdated in three weeks! I still remember all the 24/96 DACs I owned (thinking this would be it.) HA!

    After hearing Double DSD today, I think I know where the future is.....well, at least its where I hope it goes!

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    Mike...the Nagra HD DAC is priced 19.9K in Euros )see news section here: 6moons.com: News Room) so at today's 1.36 $ to the Euro that's about $27K plus importer's slice of the markup gets you to $28K pretty quick. Interesting! The DAC portion (incl DSD functionality) was outsourced to Andreas Koch of Playback Designs. Nagra did their thing on the rest of it. There is a detailed preview of it on 6Moons.com (http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/nagra7/1.html: Srajan's writing is always over the top and too long but he does give you a lot of detail if you want it), so for those interested that's a nice reference.
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    Re: CES 2014 - Day 3

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
    Nah the rudest one by country mile is that one in the Magico room--he needs a Charisma bypass closely followed by Empirical-they both deserve one another

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    Re: CES 2014 - Day 3

    Quote Originally Posted by still-one View Post
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    Is it possible that some manufacturers are a bit more rude as CES since that show is supposed to be for the press and industry where dealers and manufacturers meet to discuss opportunities, see what lines they may want to add etc. Are they only curt when the casual visitor takes up their "valuable" time. This is not RMAF after all. Since I have never attended I was just wondering.
    Actually... No. And at no point is being so overtly pompous the right thing to do when you are trying to build sales/networks. Some people at ces truly represent their brand and are some of the most cordial, friendly people out there. Some examples are Dave and Sara from WW, Rich @ Boulder, James @ bryston and numerous others that make you want to represent the brand because they believe in building a robust relationship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -E- View Post
    Actually... No. And at no point is being so overtly pompous the right thing to do when you are trying to build sales/networks. Some people at ces truly represent their brand and are some of the most cordial, friendly people out there. Some examples are Dave and Sara from WW, Rich @ Boulder, James @ bryston and numerous others that make you want to represent the brand because they believe in building a robust relationship.
    There are truly gracious wonderful leaders of some of these companies -- Keith Herron, John McDonaldat Audience, Allen Perkins at Spiral Groove, Dan at Modwright, and the list goes on. Each of those has humbly and patiently and unreservedly spent hours helping me and servicing their equipment.

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    Re: CES 2014 - Day 3

    Quote Originally Posted by still-one View Post
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    Is it possible that some manufacturers are a bit more rude as CES since that show is supposed to be for the press and industry where dealers and manufacturers meet to discuss opportunities, see what lines they may want to add etc. Are they only curt when the casual visitor takes up their "valuable" time. This is not RMAF after all. Since I have never attended I was just wondering.
    Jim,

    I'm not there this year but have gone many, many times, and your point is well taken. CES really is supposed to be trade only, and the expenses to host a room are exorbitant, possibly the highest of all the shows, so some manufacturers' representatives can be less than helpful, or even curt, when a member of the "public" starts asking questions or otherwise takes time away from what the vendor hopes will be a profitable presentation of their wares.

    Having said that, more and more members of the public are finding their way into the show, manufacturers know this, and I've found that the reception in recent years, particularly after the recent economic downturn, has been more friendly. Given that, if a member of the public does attend and expects the kind of reception typically received at a consumer oriented show like RMAF, they're just being unrealistic.

    I've not found any particular manufacturer to be less courteous than any other. For example, many people complain about Magico generally, and Alon Wolf in particular, but I've not found their responses to be noticeably different from other vendors. In fact, I've always found the Magico room to be filled with competent, and professional people, like Irv Gross, happy to answer intelligent questions about their products but not interested in chit chat. People also complain about Alon, but I've found him willing to answer honestly questions about his products and design choices. He may not be the friendliest person, but I've never found him to be rude or discourteous. Some rooms are more welcoming than others, but I don't expect anyone to greet me effusively since I'm not a dealer, distributor or anyone else they'd want to talk to in order to recoup some of the massive investment they've made in attending the four-day show.

    At CES, I tend to stay in the background, happy to hear and see so many fantastic systems that, living in Vermont, I would otherwise never experience. If I'm curious about something, I try to ask questions when a representative isn't otherwise engaged with someone who might actually be important to their future. In other words, it's a trade show, I'm not a member of the trade, and I do my best to remain cognizant of that. And it's always worked pretty well for me.

    If you want a lengthy chat with someone, it's probably best to pick your moments, like when the room is empty, and realize that this may not be the best opportunity, or the best show, for that kind of interaction. If an important dealer or distributor comes in the door, your conversation may end very abruptly. As it probably should if the vendor's ultimate goal is to stay in business.

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    I found most folks at CES to be friendly. My one incident was at THE Show over at the Flamingo and not part of CES. In that room, I merely requested "anything with female vocals, like Cowboy Junkies or Norah Jones or Diana Krall." The person just ignored me (he was not helping or talking to anyone), he was manning the iPad and sitting beside me. I asked again. Nothing. He continued to scroll through the lists of artists and picked something himself - ignoring me a third time. That's all.

    I later found out he was a volunteer (read friend) for this particular manufacturer.

    No big deal. As I said, this was at the Flamingo and part of THE Show and technically not part of CES.

    At CES, I found most rooms to be friendly - including the Magico room where Irv was more than willing to pose for a picture for me.

    That being said, they really should change the name of the show from the Consumer Electronics Show to the Buyers Electronics Show. The Buyers (dealers, distributors) were really who the manufacturers wanted to meet.
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    I imagine Irv got even friendlier when you said "You know, I've been thinking about moving from the S5 to the Q7. I need speakers that will really take advantage of my Trinity DAC."

 

 
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