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    Re: Is anybody discounting phono cartridges any more ?

    I think discussing margins or discounts in open threads is very crass
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    Different approach maybe.
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    Re: Is anybody discounting phono cartridges any more ?

    Quote Originally Posted by still-one View Post
    I think discussing margins or discounts in open threads is very crass
    With all due respect, it’s funny how you get offended from the buyers point of view. But the retailers and manufacturer’s have no qualms with raising prices constantly. Is that “crass” ?

    Don’t get me wrong, everyone is entitled to make a living, but some of us are being shut out from our beloved hobby because of the high prices. I’m sure you will agree, it is getting harder and harder to maintain a credible system with rising prices. I think we should stop ignoring the elephant in the room and say something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph R. View Post
    With all due respect, it’s funny how you get offended from the buyers point of view. But the retailers and manufacturer’s have no qualms with raising prices constantly. Is that “crass” ?

    Don’t get me wrong, everyone is entitled to make a living, but some of us are being shut out from our beloved hobby because of the high prices. I’m sure you will agree, it is getting harder and harder to maintain a credible system with rising prices. I think we should stop ignoring the elephant in the room and say something.
    very much agreed Joe. the prices that are being put on gear these days is completely absurd. they just seem to be going up and up until finally no one buys it, then they make a cheaper model, and say they are doing it for us. lol. most who buy it are buying it because no one else on their block can afford to buy it. Still there are some that have done their homework and really like the product and money is no object. for the most part its really another form of measuring your ....... .
    its really the whole chain. the builder wants his money, the distributor wants his money, the dealer wants his money. leaving a product that cost $1500 to build with a $50k pricetag. thats where internet direct sales are taking over, giving you a good deal. the manufacturer makes a little more $$ and the consumer saves a ton, except you cant go hear those products anywhere and if you have a problem theres no dealer to dump them on and say 'fix it". its good and bad that way.

    you wont find any dealers who will discuss discounts in public but if you find a product you want there is most likely someone who will give you a discount to undercut another dealer. its just the audio game.
    i buy guitars and they are not as uptight about discounts and speaking of them. usually they say on the manufacturers website, msrp- $2495 , street price-$1995 and you can still get a few bucks off of that.
    most high end dealers are very uptight thinking at any time they can lose one of their companies they represent because of selling on others turf or undercutting another dealer. but most manufacturers dont really care anymore as long as their product is being sold somewhere. except a few im sure.
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    Re: Is anybody discounting phono cartridges any more ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph R. View Post
    With all due respect, it’s funny how you get offended from the buyers point of view. But the retailers and manufacturer’s have no qualms with raising prices constantly. Is that “crass” ?

    Don’t get me wrong, everyone is entitled to make a living, but some of us are being shut out from our beloved hobby because of the high prices. I’m sure you will agree, it is getting harder and harder to maintain a credible system with rising prices. I think we should stop ignoring the elephant in the room and say something.
    the audio biz today is way different than the past, how many beloved b&m high-end audio stores from 20, 30 or even 10 years ago are still in business? few. dealer's margins haven't changed but the pool of buyers has shrunk considerably, this happened well before prices took off. So if you're a manufacture that sells considerably less units something has to give, its increase your costs or go out of business.
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    and how did your neighbor pay for that Ducati, they probably charged it on their plastic. Consumer debt in this country is at an all-time high at more than a trillion dollars, im no chicken little but something's gotta give...
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    Re: Is anybody discounting phono cartridges any more ?

    First don’t pay retail for any phono cart. You have a right to shop around.

    The car analogy doesn’t work imho because it’s all up value in the eyes of the customer. What you value is different than your friends and neighbors. I was told I needed my head examined for what I paid for my speakers. But to me I saw and continue to find value and appreciate them.

    That person who paid 40k for Ducati probably is passionate about motorcycles as we are about audio.

    He probably thinks the prices of high end audio insane. 40k to play records ; 100k speakers etc ... could go on and on

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    Re: Is anybody discounting phono cartridges any more ?

    Quote Originally Posted by puroagave View Post
    the audio biz today is way different than the past, how many beloved b&m high-end audio stores from 20, 30 or even 10 years ago are still in business? few. dealer's margins haven't changed but the pool of buyers has shrunk considerably, this happened well before prices took off. So if you're a manufacture that sells considerably less units something has to give, its increase your costs or go out of business.

    Rob et all: Like you I find it very sad that B&M audio stores are in very short supply. When was the last time you visited your favorite shopping mall, and found an audio store there ? This is because the audio community no longer caters to the “everyman”. Audio has become a “boutique” industry. Except for the Outlaw, I don’t even see a reciever for sale anymore. In audio’s hey day, there were entry level, mid-fi and high end rooms. I’m supposing here, but I think the “average” person still desires a decent stereo system. Their only choice now is a “lifestyle” system. All others are out of reach. So has the customer base really changed, or is the whole customer base expected to be only the very high end customer ? Remember it was the low end gear that got us hooked in the first place.

    So yes, I agree with you completly with one caveat. The audio biz has changed, but so has the remaining B&M audio stores. You can’t buy a Chevy at a Porche dealer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph R. View Post
    Rob et all: Like you I find it very sad that B&M audio stores are in very short supply. When was the last time you visited your favorite shopping mall, and found an audio store there ? This is because the audio community no longer caters to the “everyman”. Audio has become a “boutique” industry. Except for the Outlaw, I don’t even see a reciever for sale anymore. In audio’s hey day, there were entry level, mid-fi and high end rooms. I’m supposing here, but I think the “average” person still desires a decent stereo system. Their only choice now is a “lifestyle” system. All others are out of reach. So has the customer base really changed, or is the whole customer base expected to be only the very high end customer ? Remember it was the low end gear that got us hooked in the first place.

    So yes, I agree with you completly with one caveat. The audio biz has changed, but so has the remaining B&M audio stores. You can’t buy a Chevy at a Porche dealer.
    I think you are dead wrong. From the 1940s through at least the 1970s, owning a good stereo system was a point of pride for many men. Those days are long gone since the advent of video games, surround sound, and the internet.

    Look, there is still plenty of affordable gear for sale and lots of cartridges under $1k. There have always been over the top priced components in this hobby that not everyone could afford even in the 1950s. You have to play in an area that you are comfortable with.
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