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What the hell is a sub isolator, you mean USB isolator ?
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What the hell is a sub isolator, you mean USB isolator ?
Randy Myers
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Hey Jack,
I think it may be synergy in my system, or more inline with my personal preferences. As you know I have a preference towards European designs... MC speakers, KEF speakers, etc. And honestly I have only used lower end WW cables.... XLR, USB, Coax, and Power... I also assume their higher models might possible not exhibit the same... however I have noticed that brands usually have similar family sounds, in equipment, speakers, etc. I am probably incorrectly assuming this about cables as well.
But from what I have heard, I tend to prefer the AQ sound over the WW... but, as far as XLR and USB cables it is with much higher level models, therefore I also assume this is not a fair comparison. I also like the sound of the Wyred 4 Sound XLRs that I have better than the WW's and therefore are using these from the Oppo to the pre-amp... although I very rarely play a SACD disk any more (they actually sound much better ripped and playing from my music server).
I have to also go by what I have at my disposal. I simply cannot afford to purchase higher level models by various brands for comparison. I am grateful that my buddy offered to loan me his Coffee's to try them out. If he finds a deal on Diamonds for himself then he will give me a deal on these, if not I will have some decisions to make
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I think it may be synergy in my system, or more inline with my personal preferences. As you know I have a preference towards European designs... MC speakers, KEF speakers, etc. And honestly I have only used lower end WW cables.... XLR, USB, Coax, and Power... I also assume their higher models might possible not exhibit the same... however I have noticed that brands usually have similar family sounds, in equipment, speakers, etc. I am probably incorrectly assuming this about cables as well.
But from what I have heard, I tend to prefer the AQ sound over the WW... but, as far as XLR and USB cables it is with much higher level models, therefore I also assume this is not a fair comparison. I also like the sound of the Wyred 4 Sound XLRs that I have better than the WW's and therefore are using these from the Oppo to the pre-amp... although I very rarely play a SACD disk any more (they actually sound much better ripped and playing from my music server).
I have to also go by what I have at my disposal. I simply cannot afford to purchase higher level models by various brands for comparison. I am grateful that my buddy offered to loan me his Coffee's to try them out. If he finds a deal on Diamonds for himself then he will give me a deal on these, if not I will have some decisions to make
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I was wondering this as well. I do use a USB re-clocker, the Wyred 4 Sound Recovery, which has been reviewed in many places as one of the best. And of course, the reason why I need TWO cables when I replace my USB cables 
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I am not sure what is meant by sub power on my DAC either. The T+A uses an internal power supply (supposedly very high quality), and I use a fairly decent power cord on it.
....I am not sure what is meant by sub power on my DAC either. The T+A uses an internal power supply (supposedly very high quality), and I use a fairly decent power cord on it.
Hahahhaa yes a usb isolater auto correct strikes again
They do change the absolute sound of any usb cable as does a power cutter. You guys may be surprised how a great cable can get even better.
On a side note do I annoy some by posting cheap ways to improve audio ?
Not pointing to anyone just a general comment.
They do change the absolute sound of any usb cable as does a power cutter. You guys may be surprised how a great cable can get even better.
On a side note do I annoy some by posting cheap ways to improve audio ?
Not pointing to anyone just a general comment.
I am sorry for my continued misspellings and yes usb powerI was wondering this as well. I do use a USB re-clocker, the Wyred 4 Sound Recovery, which has been reviewed in many places as one of the best. And of course, the reason why I need TWO cables when I replace my USB cables
I am not sure what is meant by sub power on my DAC either. The T+A uses an internal power supply (supposedly very high quality), and I use a fairly decent power cord on it.
the reason for cutting the usb power and isolation of the usb cAble including the shield
gives true galvanic isolation not part of the way as most do yet claim its complete.
Even my Msb claims such isolation and internal reclock
the fact it needs power is in itself a farce.
Steve Nugent made an usb isolater that is truly isolated not even the shield is connected
this is done right st the dac input.
Two coils are used for isolation.
Having voltage from more than one usb source is just adding noise in many forms
even the shield adds noise.
I am sorry if go into details of things like this. But know this I do test by measuring and listening extensively. While I love reading others reviews my own always matters most.
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Thanks Al, I was wondering :hey:
Jack, usb cables can sound remarkably different in different systems. We did a shoot out with 5 usb cables at my house with a $600 Lightspeed cable, the current WW Platinum, a WW Starlight 7 Red and a cheap silver pangea usb cable. The Platinum sounded the best. Just a hint of warmth, excellent spacing and detail. The Lightspeed sounded unbearably bright but hyper detailed, the Red was overly warm and almost veiled sounding. The Pangea was the worst of the lot sounding thin, tinny and bright.
Oddly enough, the guy that brought over the LS and Platinum prefers the LS in his system. I have heard it in his system and it is not bright at all. Go figure.
After the shoot out we added in my Regen. It had a great effect on the cables sound. The Red improved dramticaly and was no longer overly warm and veiled, it approached the sound of the Platinum. The LS was still bright but I would say the brightness was cut by 1/2. The Pangea still sounded like crap though.
The shoot out was eye opening.
Oddly enough, the guy that brought over the LS and Platinum prefers the LS in his system. I have heard it in his system and it is not bright at all. Go figure.
After the shoot out we added in my Regen. It had a great effect on the cables sound. The Red improved dramticaly and was no longer overly warm and veiled, it approached the sound of the Platinum. The LS was still bright but I would say the brightness was cut by 1/2. The Pangea still sounded like crap though.
The shoot out was eye opening.
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Other than the Starlight Coax cable all of my experience with Wireworld has been with their OCC Copper cables and to my ears in two different systems I found them to be to the warmer side of neutral including the two USB models I tried. The Starlight which is Silver over Copper was slightly in the other direction again in two different systems and not a favorite. I have read from others that is you go much further up the Wireworld line with the Silver based cables they smooth back out but haven't tried them. But I agree everybody's system makeup effects how they hear different cables.
Other than the Starlight Coax cable all of my experience with Wireworld has been with their OCC Copper cables and to my ears in two different systems I found them to be to the warmer side of neutral including the two USB models I tried. The Starlight which is Silver over Copper was slightly in the other direction again in two different systems and not a favorite. I have read from others that is you go much further up the Wireworld line with the Silver based cables they smooth back out but haven't tried them. But I agree everybody's system makeup effects how they hear different cables.
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Another USB (also from down under) to consider: http://www.curiouscables.com/our-story.html
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What does “it seems hard” mean?
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What’s your reference in deciding AQ Diamond is hard? In other words, what cable is not hard to you, comparing with Diamond?
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Before I post what I use I would like to state a disclaimer as some comments by me seem to be either misunderstood or just annoy some outright.
A better sever needs less of a better usb cAble and in fact as I don’t use power and use a usb isolater as well my results are not as some others.
Having said this. I use a few
PAUL pang red and black are two.
Dana cable , wire world and an ifi dual usb one is for power alone
my reference are Paul’s and Dana
my advice is simple less is more so cut power if you can
aNd isolation is a must. Key to more transparency is less as posted above.
In no way do I say any of the exp usb Cables are bad but a better source or sever may yield better sound without exp cables. I have corrected my post .
A better sever needs less of a better usb cAble and in fact as I don’t use power and use a usb isolater as well my results are not as some others.
Having said this. I use a few
PAUL pang red and black are two.
Dana cable , wire world and an ifi dual usb one is for power alone
my reference are Paul’s and Dana
my advice is simple less is more so cut power if you can
aNd isolation is a must. Key to more transparency is less as posted above.
In no way do I say any of the exp usb Cables are bad but a better source or sever may yield better sound without exp cables. I have corrected my post .
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Randy Myers
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Hmmm... I didn't take anything from your posts as annoying at all... quite informative actually.
I start opinion threads because I value others thoughts, experiences, and opinions. There are few ways of learning about and experiencing this equipment and searching for that diamond in the roof. Therefore I say please don't hesitate to post your opinions and experiences. It really helps and means a lot to me since actually using all these various pieces is impossible for me... so thank you!
I start opinion threads because I value others thoughts, experiences, and opinions. There are few ways of learning about and experiencing this equipment and searching for that diamond in the roof. Therefore I say please don't hesitate to post your opinions and experiences. It really helps and means a lot to me since actually using all these various pieces is impossible for me... so thank you!
Randy it’s not you in fact your like me you want to learn from others. We all can’t afford top level stuff and in my world it’s a must to be earned not just pay ��
min part maybe it’s be too
did you find out if your dac needs usb power ?
min part maybe it’s be too
did you find out if your dac needs usb power ?
T&A uses Amanero. No need for 5v power for anything. Best is an unpowered USB. iFi Gemini 2.0 is GREAT for the money cable for unpowered at $200 (very close to $1,600 Light Harmonic dual head cable). The Gemini 3.0 is double that price (~$400). All at 0.7m. More for 1.5m.