Power Cords - what's your favorite?

**Steve** · February 24, 2015, 02:14 AM

Anyone try the new LE Furutech NanoFlux yet?

**Bodhi** · February 24, 2015, 07:05 AM

I use Jorma Prime which are Jorma's flagship pc's. I know other audiophiles who have compared them to Nordost Odin & in most cases preferred Prime. Prime sounds sophisticated, quiet, a bit warm, harmonically rich, resolving, well balanced top to bottom & natural. The only area of this cable I could see an opportunity to improve was the already excellent Oyaide P-004/C-004 connectors, and to that end I plan on re-terminating my 3 Prime pc's with nice nice new bits...will post an update soon

**audiolove** · April 11, 2015, 07:33 PM

Silnote GS reference has worked great for me with a krell power amp; better than some other more high end cables prior; wire world for smaller components (dacs, cd players); experimented a lot and landed there

**Bodhi** · April 11, 2015, 11:22 PM

Folks, as promised, here is a pic of my Jorma cables which I recently had re-terminated with cryo'd Oyaide M1/F1 connectors. I also took the opportunity to use a spare pair of P-004/C-004 connectors to re-terminate my Jorma Unity pc. I can now honestly say I want for nothing with my pc's

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**MDP** · April 12, 2015, 12:51 AM

David, what have you had for comparison ? And what is the price of the Jormas ?

**Dpod4** · April 12, 2015, 01:30 AM

Just picked up some Cardas Clear Beyond power cords to match the Clear Beyond Speaker cables. Whoa - dead silent background and tons of current making it to the Marantz monos. Like someone flipped a supercharger switch.

**Bodhi** · April 12, 2015, 01:54 AM

Originally Posted by MDP

David, what have you had for comparison ? And what is the price of the Jormas ?

Hi Mark, I previously owned Acoustic Revive Power Reference pc's which are good value cables & have similar sound characteristics to Jorma (ie: sounds natural and delicate). I also tried the Andromeda pc that came with my Vitus SIA-025 which I would rate a bit higher than the AR Power Reference. When I first heard Jorma, I loved the smooth (am I allowed to say that?), natural and non-fatiguing sound. I started out with Jorma Origo xlr's and Origo biwire sc's, then started adding Prime pc's which are a relative bargain at $4900US msrp. Prime was obviously much better than my old Power Reference pc's & sounded more resolving, richer and more sophisticated. Lovely cables!

This guy on AG compared Jorma Prime ic's to Nordost Odin, and ended up preferring Prime in every application except between his phono and preamp. He also went with Prime pc's & is wrapped with the sound. With that said, I have corresponded with reviewer Fred Crowder about the Prime cables. Fred found that the Prime pc's work well on front end components, somewhat less successfully on high powered amps. On his amps, he preferred Stage III Minotaurs, whilst on his preamp he preferred the Acapella LaMusika . What I decided to do was improve on my Prime pc's by having them re-terminated with cryo'd Oyaide M1/F1 connectors which sound quieter, more powerful & have better dynamics than the factory P-004/C-004 connectors, making the perfect Prime pc

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**kzhtoo** · April 13, 2015, 03:54 AM

Just compared high fidelity ct-1 power cord and shunyata sigma hc power cord. Sigma seems to exert PC-on-steroid characteristics but I feel more drawn to ct-1's unique presentation. Neither trounces its counterpart IMO. Tomorrow I'll put back in my HiDiamond P4 and wait for a week or two to see how I'll feel about then.

I let both pc's in the system at least one week each to "live with them" for the comparison.

**Justlisten2** · April 13, 2015, 05:49 AM

Congrats on the new cords David!! Do the new plugs need any time to burn in??

I am comparing a couple of Dynamic Designs Heritage AE 15 and Challenger AE15 cords to a pair of Onda Rapture cords.
The differences in cables never ceases to amaze me. The DD's were loaned to me by a friend who is gaga over them. In my system they are very sweet, delicate and beautiful sounding, with a well laid out and deep soundstage. Perhaps a bit too, polite and laid back though. The Onda Raptures also offer a very deep and well laid out soundstage. However, they offer quite a bit more articulation and resolution when compared to the DD cords.

Now my friend is using solid state preamp and amp, while I use all tube amplification. I'm sure that this could factor into our preferences, as well as other factors such as speakers, room, etc. The DD cords offer enough intruigue that I'm sure they would sound great with a system that may sound a bit bright, or edgy. For me, I'll stick with the Rapture's, though I do admire the fit and finish of the DD plugs better. Those Furutech plugs really do grip like no other!!

**Bodhi** · April 13, 2015, 08:09 AM

Thanks JL

Yes, Chris from VH Audio advised me the Oyaide M1/F1 connectors require about 100-200hrs run in, which is cool as my new Vitus player & Jorma Statement sc's will be playing in at the same time. Also some of my other cables have been disconnected for few months & also need some time to run in.

I'm not familiar with the Dynamic Designs or Onda cables, though I agree even if you like the basic house sound of the cables, at the end of the day all that matters is system synergy. And your system is a moving feast...my recent system changes prompted me to upgrade my Prime's factory Oyaide 004's with the M1/F1's to achieve the right balance.

Speaking of connectors gripping like a hungry tiger, Chris told me "you’ll notice when plugging in the IEC that it it’s almost like ‘Swiss watch” precision, when it snaps into place.". Paired with my Furutech GTX-D(g), the connection should be rock solid

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**Dankeschon** · April 8, 2022, 02:02 AM

I use Supra LoRad Silver 2.5mm and Audioquest Nrg-y3 on everything, I'm waiting for a new Supra LoRad 8 outlet Power strip.

**exupgh12** · April 8, 2022, 04:06 AM

I use Cardas Clear PC, the complete my Cardas Clear IC, and SC. I love the performance and result with my Luxman electronics and Magico speakers.

**Drrsutliff** · April 8, 2022, 08:12 AM

Time has passed and cables have changed as my system has matured. The Audience AU24SEi powerchords (and Audience Power Conditioner) have found new homes. Synergistic Research Atmosphere Level 3 cables from a SR PowerCell 12 UEF SE now are employed.

**Hear Here** · April 9, 2022, 05:57 PM

Cables made using Belden 19364. Absolutely no need to pay a penny more. This is a heavy current cable that's screened and has an earth drain. What is better and (if you really believe it to be so), please explain why..

**crwilli** · April 9, 2022, 06:17 PM

You forgot to add IMHO. And beyond hearing differences, nobody has to explain anything to you.

**Spock** · April 9, 2022, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by Hear Here

Cables made using Belden 19364. Absolutely no need to pay a penny more.

A long time ago, a friend gave me a Belden interconnect. He also told me that it was all I would need, after all the brand was used a lot in professional studios. And since then I've realized one of the reasons why so many recordings are so bad...

**Mikado463** · April 9, 2022, 08:20 PM

Don't you just love 'wire' threads !! ??

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**MtnHam** · April 9, 2022, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by Hear Here

Cables made using Belden 19364. Absolutely no need to pay a penny more. This is a heavy current cable that's screened and has an earth drain. What is better and (if you really believe it to be so), please explain why..

There is a lot more to high end Power Cables than the ability to carry heavy current and a ground. I suggest you read this: Power Cable Tech - Shunyata Research Perhaps more than once. Then borrow some of Shyunyata's cables. If you don't hear a difference, you need to do whatever you can to improve your system. Shunyata is not the only brand producing cables that make a significant difference!

BTW, I am not a dealer for any products other than Sound Lab speakers.

**Hear Here** · April 10, 2022, 04:52 AM

Originally Posted by MtnHam

There is a lot more to high end Power Cables than the ability to carry heavy current and a ground. I suggest you read this: Power Cable Tech - Shunyata Research Perhaps more than once. Then borrow some of Shyunyata's cables.

I can imagine an "audiophile" cable maker producing reports on why they think it's worth spending crazy money on their product (seems the obvious thing to do), but where do we find totally independent appraisal of (for example) relatively inexpensive Belden-type screened cable and the likes of Shunyata? Now that I would read and make my own conclusions. I have had dealers visit with demo amps who bring along cables and say "to get the best from this amp, you need good power cables", but I've not heard a scap of difference compared with Beldan. Cables are hugely profitable and of course makers and dealers will try hard to sell them. I'll try to keep an open mind though, so if I really hear a difference, I may be tempted, but it hasn't happened yet.

**Dankeschon** · April 10, 2022, 07:20 AM

Originally Posted by Hear Here

I can imagine an "audiophile" cable maker producing reports on why they think it's worth spending crazy money on their product (seems the obvious thing to do), but where do we find totally independent appraisal of (for example) relatively inexpensive Belden-type screened cable and the likes of Shunyata? Now that I would read and make my own conclusions. I have had dealers visit with demo amps who bring along cables and say "to get the best from this amp, you need good power cables", but I've not heard a scap of difference compared with Beldan. Cables are hugely profitable and of course makers and dealers will try hard to sell them. I'll try to keep an open mind though, so if I really hear a difference, I may be tempted, but it hasn't happened yet.

I didn't notice this is an old thread...

And it's not all your fault... Other than all you need paraphrase.... And then the reply.

Read the thread name, and try to avoid "All you need" I've got an Casio and Orient watch, but would never say to Rolex and Omega owners... All you need is Orient.

The Rolex and Omega is often sertified to be more exact... But is it worth the price of a nice car or a boat? That depends....

I wish people did the same with audio gear... Than "All you need".

The Belden works for you, great... The Supras I've got is in the same category... Affordable. Good for us both.

**jadedavid** · April 10, 2022, 09:15 AM

I am surprised at the pairing of the Nad 33 and the Avant-garde speakers in Hear Here’s system.
I have heard Avant-garde speakers several times, and have owned a Purifi Eigentakt amplifier.
It’s just a combination I would not have imagined to work well. But glad it works for you.
I have found that different pieces of equipment respond differently to power cables. I have had some pieces of gear that there has been little difference With others the difference is overwhelmingly clear.
If Belden or Supra or whatever, works for you that’s great.
I have numerous power cables to swap in and out. While audibly I could not identify the exact cable being used, I could identify the “camp” that the signature of the cable is in.
This is truly an interesting and fun hobby.

**Dankeschon** · April 10, 2022, 12:48 PM

I agree, it's fun... And the most effect I had with Supra Lorad Silver on my preamp/DAC.

And btw both Supra Silver and Audioquest nrg looks very nice and solid made... Quality wise...

Shunyata isn't the most expensive either? That depends on the gear it's connected to. . When I checked the prices varied from 500$ ish for their entry-level and 1000-2000$ and above for the more expensive cables .

**Hear Here** · April 10, 2022, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by jadedavid

I am surprised at the pairing of the Nad 33 and the Avant-garde speakers in Hear Here’s system.
I have heard Avant-garde speakers several times, and have owned a Purifi Eigentakt amplifier.
It’s just a combination I would not have imagined to work well. But glad it works for you.

This is truly an interesting and fun hobby.

Well, it surprised me too. I'd been using tube SET amps with my Avantgarde Unos for 15 years or so, but a rave review of the Benchmark AHB2 amp from a Trio owner on another forum prompted me to buy this amp new and unheard - and at the time un-reviewed. Big mistake! It was drearily dull with my AGs, but I decided to move from tubes to SS, so I bought (mostly used) or borrowed a dozen amps of various flavours after building a short-list prompted by recommendations, reviews, etc. Amps were from Accuphase, Sugden, Benchmark, GamuT, Micromega, Bakoon, Valvet, Mark Levinson, Lyngdorf, Quad and NAD.

I was expecting a low-powered Class A amp to best suit my speakers and indeed the Accuphase A-36 was a great amp. However the best of the bunch overall sound-wise were the GamuT D200 Mk III and the NAD M32. With the M33 coming out, it was an obvious upgrade.

Although I certainly could squeeze more from my speakers, it would set me back at least 3 to 4 times the cost of the NAD, or probably more if I went for separate streamer, DAC, RC and amp - plus all those costly cables! Despite the unlikely match, I find this amp works extremely well with the speakers, which have since been upgraded to Duo XDs via earlier Duos. For my total outlay, I am very pleased that most has gone into these exceptional speakers rather than ones costing half as much with much more costly electronics. Peter

**Hear Here** · April 10, 2022, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by Dankeschon

I've got an Casio and Orient watch, but would never say to Rolex and Omega owners... All you need is Orient.

I think you've hit the nail on the head.

If you want to tell the time accurately, the Casio (or at least a Seiko) is every bit as good as an Omega or Rolex. If you want accurate power for your amp, the Belden cable is every bit as good as the Shunyata. On the other hand, if you value the "jewellery" value of a Rolex or Omega, you are happy to spend many times as much as the simple time-keeper. With cables, this argument (for me anyway) falls flat because there's no "pride of ownership" in a length of untidy cable that you do your best to hide behind the equipment rack - however much you paid for it!

**Dankeschon** · April 10, 2022, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by Hear Here

I think you've hit the nail on the head.

If you want to tell the time accurately, the Casio (or at least a Seiko) is every bit as good as an Omega or Rolex. If you want accurate power for your amp, the Belden cable is every bit as good as the Shunyata. On the other hand, if you value the "jewellery" value of a Rolex or Omega, you are happy to spend many times as much as the simple time-keeper. With cables, this argument (for me anyway) falls flat because there's no "pride of ownership" in a length of untidy cable that you do your best to hide behind the equipment rack - however much you paid for it!

Well watches is tricky, A Casio Solar with Gps for time and zone is more presice than all watches.

But on analogue automatic watches Rolex and Omega is certified with guarantee more accurate than Orient and Seikos... But you got Grand Seiko also.....

Cables and power cords is system dependent... And It's silly for me to buy a expensive Shunyata for my setup, it would be better to upgrade my system... So for me it's better with Audioquest Nrg and Supra.

But in your setup I would at least try to put more in power cords, if it's money back guarantee 30 days I don't see the problem.

And you don't need to break the bank....

**Spock** · April 10, 2022, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by jadedavid

I have found that different pieces of equipment respond differently to power cables. I have had some pieces of gear that there has been little difference With others the difference is overwhelmingly clear.

Exactly.
When someone better explains why, maybe then a lot of the noise around the cables ends.

I have a friend with a system that was about 2,5 the cost of mine.
Recently, trying to improve the sound, I went to his house and took ALL my cables.
There was a difference but it was very small. He himself recognizes that he hears a lot more differences in my house.

This is absolutely true and led me to reinforce something I have already said here: I trust a system that shows differences much more because it has a much higher potential for improvement. A system that does not emphasize differences in cables (or other accessories) plays what it plays and nothing else.

**Dankeschon** · April 19, 2022, 02:35 PM

Supra LoRad MD08 EU/SP arrived.

From totall mess to more order than the Empire of Star wars.. 😊

**stereogeek** · April 20, 2022, 03:44 PM

I have power cords from Cardas, Bottlehead, Tara, LAT, Vansevers and AudioQuest. If you can't hear a difference in power cords, it's time to start buying Bose.

**Mikado463** · April 20, 2022, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by stereogeek

I have power cords from Cardas, Bottlehead, Tara, LAT, Vansevers and AudioQuest. If you can't hear a difference in power cords, it's time to start buying Bose.

Thanks for the advice, I'll start searching Audiogon later tonite for a mint pair of 901's !!

**stereogeek** · April 20, 2022, 09:57 PM

I was thinking more along the lines of a Bose Wave Radio. The 901's would elevate you too high on the audiophile pecking order...lol.

**Mikado463** · April 21, 2022, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by stereogeek

I was thinking more along the lines of a Bose Wave Radio. The 901's would elevate you too high on the audiophile pecking order...lol.

Good point, God forbid, next thing you know I'll be buying some of those 'Magic Dot/Disc' things that some audio fools buy into..........

**Dankeschon** · April 21, 2022, 03:00 PM

Doh there is tons of YouTube videos that proofs it's big difference in power cables, Amir and Gene must have their head stuck up in... Or something.

**HifiHandyman** · April 21, 2022, 07:24 PM

I’ve been using Straight Wire for a little while now. I had the full AQ loom but tried the SW and it was a clear upgrade. It’s funny, they both have the same name. I went from Thunder to Thunder. Hearing is believing for sure. So Thunder on pre, amp, DAC, and DDC. I still use an AQ Thunder going into my Nagra power conditioner. I have tried silver conductor cables on my system and it always pushes my system to the brighter end of the spectrum. The AQ does look about ten times cooler, though. Don’t get me started on watches.

**Mikado463** · April 21, 2022, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by Dankeschon

Doh there is tons of YouTube videos that proofs it's big difference in power cables, Amir and Gene must have their head stuck up in... Or something.

LOL, only a true audio fool would waste over an hour watching that drivel .......

**jadedavid** · April 21, 2022, 09:16 PM

Mikado463
It's clear that you do not hear a difference in power cables from your post.
And that's fine.
However, why do you find it necessary to attempt to belittle those that do?

**Dankeschon** · April 22, 2022, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by Mikado463

LOL, only a true audio fool would waste over an hour watching that drivel .......

Ok, do you want more videos?

**Mikado463** · April 22, 2022, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by jadedavid

Mikado463
It's clear that you do not hear a difference in power cables from your post.
And that's fine.
However, why do you find it necessary to attempt to belittle those that do?

jade, sorry, not my intent. Obviously got a little carried away with the 'back and forth'. With regards to your comment about 'not hearing a difference' I know full well that wire can be manipulated and made to sound different but I also fully understand that solid fundamental principals of science and engineering need not cost what a car did 30-40 years ago !

As for my using the term 'audio fool' I did so in a broad scope generalized manner and I stand by it, having been in this hobby for over a half century I've observed plenty !

**Mikado463** · April 22, 2022, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by Dankeschon

Ok, do you want more videos?

no, that's ok, I prefer to listen to music rather than wire !

**Dankeschon** · April 22, 2022, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by Mikado463

no, that's ok, I prefer to listen to music rather than wire !

It's your loss, except for the few bucks you save for the entry level Supra or Audioquest NRG. Maybe you rather drink 6 beer or a burger? That's the difference in money here in Sweden.

**sonata** · April 22, 2022, 09:50 AM

Mikado463

This thread was was moving along fine until you showed up with your snarky, condescending posts.

You are no more than a troll.

**Mikado463** · April 22, 2022, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by sonata

Mikado463

This thread was was moving along fine until you showed up with your snarky, condescending posts.

You are no more than a troll.

check out post #129 young man, nothing more than a mere poke at Stereogeeks post before. Sorry that an ounce or two of levity got your panties in a bind

Enjoy your weekend in the 'swamp' !

Ok, lets all (myself included) allow this thread to return to it's normally scheduled programming .....

**stereogeek** · April 22, 2022, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by Mikado463

jade, sorry, not my intent. Obviously got a little carried away with the 'back and forth'. With regards to your comment about 'not hearing a difference' I know full well that wire can be manipulated and made to sound different but I also fully understand that solid fundamental principals of science and engineering need not cost what a car did 30-40 years ago !

As for my using the term 'audio fool' I did so in a broad scope generalized manner and I stand by it, having been in this hobby for over a half century I've observed plenty !

He has seen it all and knows it all.

**ozzy** · May 4, 2022, 02:39 PM

I own 3 Audioquest Dragons. One is the HC the other 2 are source. All get plugged into my Niagara 7000. I have tried so many power cords through the years and to me these are the best, especially used with the Niagara 7000.

ozzy

**jmusica** · May 4, 2022, 04:24 PM

I saw the biggest difference at digital source (streamer/DAC) with a Shunyata Zitron Digital, with a Zu Event 2nd to that one. I haven't tried too many different cables on the amps, but of the handful I tried the Transparent gave me the best impression.

**Speedskater** · May 4, 2022, 06:02 PM

Ram Electronics assembles some nice shielded power cords, using all 'UL' listed components and their prices are reasonable too!

Power cables - Power cables for computers and Audio Video equipment, custom power cables

**Thieliste** · January 3, 2023, 02:47 PM

Another Audioquest user here, 2 Firebird HC, 2 Firebird Source and a Niagara 3000.

**Gene** · January 4, 2023, 10:36 AM

Ive been enjoying a full loom of Galileo SX on components and a Galileo SRX on the Galileo Powercell SX since about 2019 and am happy as I could be.
Replaced a similar loom of Wireworld Platinum 8 which sounded compressed and brittle compared to the Synergistic Research. A exceptionally musical PC, imho.
(Mike...sorry this took eight years to get you an answer)

**MichaelsMinute** · January 4, 2023, 10:39 AM

Ive recently tried Furutech and some Shunyata NR12 power cables. Both were excellent.

**Speedskater** · January 4, 2023, 07:30 PM

Not all AC power cords are good cords!
Cords are mis-manufactured with problems like:
a] swapped Hot & Neutral
b] Safety Ground/Protective Earth not connected at both ends
c] not all fine wire strands crimped
d] bad plug terminals that don't make or maintain good low resistance contact.
None of these errors should happen but they repeatedly do.

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If you are using an outlet strip or distribution box, place it near your hi-fi system then use short cords to your components.
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almost all 120 Volt home hi-fi systems will be happy on one 15 or 20 Amp circuit.

**Armand68** · February 14, 2023, 06:21 AM

I have been mostly a Nordost guy but have slowly changed more and more of my power cords to Ansuz. Going from Tyr 2, Valhalla 2 and Odin to Ansuz C2 and D2. That has been a well worth upgrade for me. I find the Ansuz cables to deliver better results from top to bottom and lower noise floor.
I see some have great results with Jorma Prime. I have Jorma Prime interconnects and speaker cables which I truely love (also replaced Nordost), but I have strangely enought never tried the Prime PCs, go figure… Would be interesting to compare the Prime PCs to the Ansuz some time.

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