New OFC Power Cord from Ice Age Audio

SCAudiophile said:
@iceageaudio how do you produce OFC that is six-9s pure (99.9999%)? Truly interested in your process, not dinging the product announcement....

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FYI.. There is no metallurgical certification laboratory on earth which will certify any purity higher than the industry standard 'four nines,' which means 99.99%. Anything you see over and above this in terms of purity is pure fiction. (makes for an impressive number to put in an ad, though.) Even the four nines purity cannot be guaranteed for an entire spool of finished product in any factory.. even the "unpredictable" ones.
 
I am definitely not here to argue with anyone. But what if the factory packaging for the wire is labeled 100% Oxygen Free Copper? I guess the bottom line is...what does the cable do in your system??? I've never said that were god's gift to the audio industry. But we have sold 1000's of cables on a global level with a 99% success rate. Why only 99%? Simply because you can't make 100% of the people happy. Our goal is to produce a quality built product that performs well beyond it's dollar value, and we've done exactly that. If you're curious about our products, just try one. We have a simple return policy, if it doesn't do what you want it to, send it back for a full refund. I can't make it any easier than that. Thanks - Rick
 
iceageaudio said:
I am definitely not here to argue with anyone. But what if the factory packaging for the wire is labeled 100% Oxygen Free Copper? I guess the bottom line is...what does the cable do in your system??? I've never said that were god's gift to the audio industry. But we have sold 1000's of cables on a global level with a 99% success rate. Why only 99%? Simply because you can't make 100% of the people happy. Our goal is to produce a quality built product that performs well beyond it's dollar value, and we've done exactly that. If you're curious about our products, just try one. We have a simple return policy, if it doesn't do what you want it to, send it back for a full refund. I can't make it any easier than that. Thanks - Rick
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You stated a claim of metallurgical nature and people have asked questions, and reasonable ones at that. No one is arguing with you.
 
JCS123 said:
Dizzy, my comments were not directed at any person in particular, including you. My apologies if that's how it came off. I just felt that Rick wasn't exactly getting the warm welcome that we usually give to new forum contributors but again, I can see where I may have come off as being guilty of the very thing that I was charging others with. Respectfully noted.

I appreciate your contribution to this forum, as have I appreciated Stereo Times very much over the years.
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JCS123, Thank you for your kind comments. When you wrote "not submitting a document for publication" the stick felt kind of pointy. But I will live. :D
 
iceageaudio said:
I am definitely not here to argue with anyone. But what if the factory packaging for the wire is labeled 100% Oxygen Free Copper? I guess the bottom line is...what does the cable do in your system??? I've never said that were god's gift to the audio industry. But we have sold 1000's of cables on a global level with a 99% success rate. Why only 99%? Simply because you can't make 100% of the people happy. Our goal is to produce a quality built product that performs well beyond it's dollar value, and we've done exactly that. If you're curious about our products, just try one. We have a simple return policy, if it doesn't do what you want it to, send it back for a full refund. I can't make it any easier than that. Thanks - Rick
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"god's gift to the audio industry"?... You can cut the hyperbole.
Really..there's no need to be so defensive. We all want you to be successful with your products and are glad you can be with us to share your knowledge.
More power to ya!.. (using your PC... of course) ;)
 
iceageaudio said:
Is constructed from our Cryo Treated, Soft Drawn, Solid core, 99.9999% Pure Oxygen Free Copper Wire.
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iceageaudio said:
I am definitely not here to argue with anyone. But what if the factory packaging for the wire is labeled 100% Oxygen Free Copper? I guess the bottom line is...what does the cable do in your system??? I've never said that were god's gift to the audio industry.
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I'll just add a comment here with respect to scientific and engineering accuracy. If a claim is made that a material, e.g. copper, is 99.9999% pure, that "claim" should be able to be backed-up with...statistical rigor to establish validity of the measurement. What this statement also means is that manufacturer can distinguish between, say, 99.9998% and 99.9999% purity with both accuracy and precision with...statistical rigor.

The question is: can they?

And before one does this "purity measurement" or assay, from a scientific or engineering perspective, implicit in this performing this purity assay is that one has first performed a statistically-valid measurement system analysis (aka MSA) to establish that the purity measurement system has sufficient power that these differences can be measured with...statistical rigor.

Have you or your manufacturer performed a statistically-valid MSA to demonstrate that you can distinguish impurity levels as small as 0.0001% with statistical rigor?

When I refer to statistical rigor, I'm referring to the standard best practice of having 95% statistical confidence in this measurement, where ⍺=0.05 (the industry standard of rejecting the Null Hypothesis, if it is in fact, true)

So...what this means is: can you or your manufacturer accurately and precisely distinguish a purity difference of 0.0001% from 0.0002% with 95% statistical confidence?

If you can't, or haven't done this, then a claim about 99.9999% purity of the copper cannot be made that has any scientific or engineering legitimacy.

My understanding that the most valid copper purity specification as used by the copper industry is: CDA-101, which specifies: Copper (incl. Silver) 99.99 Min. Phosphorus .0003 Max. Tellurium .0010 Max.
 
I did send a couple of emails, and never received an email reply. I also sent a message through your website with no reply. Perhaps there were glitches early on. So, I just now sent another message through your website, so we'll try this again.

However, I just noticed that you have replied to this site's message system because of my original post, so that's a good sign.

Anyway, my question was do you have any products that can be demo 'ed? I am interested in trying your 2-meter balanced (XLR) against my current cable (Infigo Signature).

ozzy
 
ozzy said:
I did send a couple of emails. And I never received an email reply. I also sent a message through your website. Perhaps there were glitches early on. But I just noticed that you have replied to this site's message system because of my post.

Anyway, my question was do you have any products that can be demo 'ed?

ozzy
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see post 22, money back guarantee
 
Just got a 2-meter XLR and a power cord from Ice Age.

I haven't tried the power cord yet but first listen using the XLR interconnect with my Lumin X1 and I am a little shocked. They sound really good! Maybe a little less open, but they probably need some time to break in after all they were just assembled this weekend. Right now though, they seem to be definitely a good value.

Highly impressed.

ozzy
 
This is a follow up to my original post. The review from Positive Feedback has been released. Please take a moment to read through, it is a little lengthy, but it does a good job of explaining how our products perform. Thanks - Rick

Just go to positive-feedback .com to read the review
 
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