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    which network cable

    Does anyone have an idea of a great network cable to place between my switch and my streamer?

    At the moment I have a grey and a blue one, from the DIY shop. Bought 2 audioquest cables and in comparison with the cheap ones they produce a high tone in the background.
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    Re: which network cable

    Not sure what you mean by “high tone in the background”.

    Lots of Ethernet cable options available. What’s the system and how much are you looking to spend?
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    Re: which network cable

    Not expensive, but has great value/money ratio - Furutech Lan-8 NCF
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    The entry-level Shunyata Venom Ethernet I beta-tested back by competitive benchmarking in Q2, 2019 blows everything I personally extensively tested against it, including Audioquest Cinnamon, Wireworld Starlight Cat 8, Supra Cat 8, Belden Cat6a, and Audioquest Vodka completely into the weeds. It's not even close. It's so "not close" that one evening, when I swapped out Vodka for the Venom Ethernet, I literally burst out laughing.

    They folks at Shunyata told me they designed it to be superior than their competitive benchmark, AQ Diamond, and given how significantly better it was than Vodka, I'd believe it.

    Just get it.

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    Re: which network cable

    I agree with Puma based on my experience. I have Shunyata Alpha Ethernet cables and they easily outperform anything I have compared them to.
    The difference is so great that I had no interest in further comparisons after hearing the difference.
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    Re: which network cable

    I’ve been using the Shunyata Sigma. It definitely bested the AQ Diamond.
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    Re: which network cable

    I'm hearing reports the AIM Electronics NA-7 ethernet cable from Japan is bettering the Shunyata offerings.
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    and YG Acoustics Rack 1.1 amp stands (pair)

    On the wish list: Esoteric Grandioso D1X. Shunyata Research Everest.

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    Re: which network cable

    For now only unboxing, but first hours of listening suggest that this cable is ... awesome - Synergistic Research Galileo SX Ethernet
    Marcin

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    Shunyata Omega - lasik for the ears


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    Re: which network cable

    Quote Originally Posted by Audio 1 View Post
    I agree with Puma based on my experience. I have Shunyata Alpha Ethernet cables and they easily outperform anything I have compared them to.
    The difference is so great that I had no interest in further comparisons after hearing the difference.
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    Re: which network cable

    Just got 2 Mad Scientist Black Magic LAN cables, i use them between my NUC and Router and Router to Switch.
    Very organic.
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    Re: which network cable

    I am embarrassed to say I may be hearing a difference, but most likely, it’s a very expensive placebo effect

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    Quote Originally Posted by LVB View Post
    I am embarrassed to say I may be hearing a difference, but most likely, it’s a very expensive placebo effect
    No, it's not a placebo effect. Copper Ethernet cables are susceptible to RFI, EMI and common-mode noise. Moreover, if a device e.g. an Ethernet switch, router, NAS is powered by an SMPS, then the audio quality is also affected by high-source impedance leakage current, which will result in noise on the ground-plane and increased threshold jitter. This causes timing errors and the impact of all of these are audible.

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    Re: which network cable

    Hmm so are expensive LPS's needed to drive the ethernet devices? It's in my view better to have the audio equipment with ethernet ports protected from the ethernet port electrics in their internal circuits. That brings me to a question though, are they not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by plonkywonki View Post
    Hmm so are expensive LPS's needed to drive the ethernet devices? It's in my view better to have the audio equipment with ethernet ports protected from the ethernet port electrics in their internal circuits. That brings me to a question though, are they not?
    The switch-mode power supplies that power many networking devices create the problems described above with respect to high-source impedance leakage current, which will result in noise on the ground-plane and increased threshold jitter...as I've mentioned above. The RJ45 ports can also contribute to this with respect to the isolation transformers they use. This is why products like EtherREGEN provide a notable increase in sound quality, their isolation transformers are chosen to minimize the impact of noise components and leakage current. That being said, EtherREGEN from UpTone Audio is designed to perform nominally with the supplied Meanwell power supply brick (it's wired internally so as to not to pass high-source impedance leakage current).

    As for LPS being expensive...it's all relative. You can obtain notable improvements simply using an $11 Jameco Electronics Reliapro wall adapter-style linear power supply. Most folks use something along the lines of the Keces P3 (which Mike sells at Suncoast Audio) to the Uptone Audio LPS-1. Other folks like the Paul Hynes Farad 3 or the Sbooster BOTW P&P power supplies as well.

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    Re: which network cable

    The hereabove stated all of a sudden makes so much sense. Thanks!

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    Re: which network cable

    I wish I could afford a system good enough to hear the difference between Ethernet cables!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alkyogre View Post
    Does anyone have an idea of a great network cable to place between my switch and my streamer?

    At the moment I have a grey and a blue one, from the DIY shop. Bought 2 audioquest cables and in comparison with the cheap ones they produce a high tone in the background.
    Between my switch and my streamer, I use Ethernet patch cables from Monoprice. Actually I use their patch cables between all my digital components. Well built and very inexpensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicoff View Post
    Between my switch and my streamer, I use Ethernet patch cables from Monoprice. Actually I use their patch cables between all my digital components. Well built and very inexpensive.
    I've had 1 ethernet cable, 2 HDMI cables, 2 HDMI splitters and 1 HDMI switcher from Monoprice fail for me. This is over many years but regardless, Monoprice is junk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGemState View Post
    I've had 1 ethernet cable, 2 HDMI cables, 2 HDMI splitters and 1 HDMI switcher from Monoprice fail for me. This is over many years but regardless, Monoprice is junk.

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    It is your experience and I respect it.
    But what do you mean by “fail”?
    You mentioned over many years but some elaboration would be helpful for everyone to understand what happened. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicoff View Post
    It is your experience and I respect it.
    But what do you mean by “fail”?
    You mentioned over many years but some elaboration would be helpful for everyone to understand what happened. Thanks.
    Fail equals stopped working. The cables would not send signals. The splitters and switches stopped working. I have bought many things from Monoprice to try a save a buck for the last 10 or so years. The time and frustration trouble shooting in the end was not worth it. Nothing was DOA, but failed at some point after a few years. Oh, forgot, bought a drawing tablet from them for my daughter. Driver software installation was very difficult to install and was unstable. Ultimately found a 3rd party driver which was more stable. That has been my experience so I'm done with them. I hope you and others have better luck

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    Re: which network cable

    Might it be a good alternative to instead of a decent ethernet cable place a standard cable with the addition of an ethernet isolator? I ask out of 2nd thoughts on giving the best unpolluted ethernet signal to my streamer. It is beyond my current knowledge to know if network equipment is by its nature already equipped with transformers for separation and hence filtering undesired static. If so, this alternative might be just a double dip and I'd be focusing on the proper cabling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plonkywonki View Post
    Might it be a good alternative to instead of a decent ethernet cable place a standard cable with the addition of an ethernet isolator?
    What do you mean by an Ethernet "isolator?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puma Cat View Post
    What do you mean by an Ethernet "isolator?"
    Something like this.

    Network Isolator emosafe EN-70e • EMO Systems GmbH

    They claim besides adding safety that it lowers somewhat the noisefloor.

    I googled around on electrics of RJ45 ports though -as I’m no expert in this matter- but it occurs to me that such isolation transformers, maybe in a somewhat lower grade that the device linked above, seem to be already part of the Ethernet specification, so then indeed such a device would be a double dip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plonkywonki View Post
    Something like this.

    Network Isolator emosafe EN-70e • EMO Systems GmbH

    They claim besides adding safety that it lowers somewhat the noisefloor.

    I googled around on electrics of RJ45 ports though -as I’m no expert in this matter- but it occurs to me that such isolation transformers, maybe in a somewhat lower grade that the device linked above, seem to be already part of the Ethernet specification, so then indeed such a device would be a double dip.
    Here's the definition of an Ethernet isolator:
    It disconnects all the electrically conductive connections between the connected network peripherals and the connected device, and typically provides protection against DC and AC voltages of 4 kV and greater.

    Not sure that's going to help in an audio application. You really want to block AC leakage current and CMode noise. You're correct that good RJ45 ports use isolation transfomers. The EtherREGEN's are particularly good: "RJ45 module that utilizes 12 transformer cores in each port (most Ethernet ports have 2~6 cores), and ground their center-taps through capacitors in a way that blocks port-to-port AC leakage currents."

    A Shunyata Alpha Ethernet cable has a CMode (common mode) noise filter specifically for it's use in audio applications. I can't over-emphasize the importance of using a audio-grade Ethernet cable for streaming applications.

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