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July 12, 2022, 02:57 AM #1
Loudspeakercables (12x) Blindtest, measurements, music samples
Last weekend a large speakercable test was done (12 cables), I listened in with headphones (youtube) and was able to hear differences between the cables.Was nice to see that some differences can be backed up by the measurements.
Megatest luidsprekerkabels - echte metingen, samples en blindtest! - Alpha-AudioMoon 700i V2, YG Acoustics Hailey, Aurender N10, dCS Rossini, Oppo BDP103D (audiopraise board), Ansuz Mainz 8 D2
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July 12, 2022, 08:00 AM #2
Re: Loudspeakercables (12x) Blindtest, measurements, music samples
Curious how you tested Speaker Cables using Headphones? Maybe it's the Translation?
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Secondary - OPPO 93 > VAC CLA 1 MKII Pre > Odyssey Stratos > Dynaudio Audience 82s > Tara Labs Cables
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July 12, 2022, 08:18 AM #3
Re: Loudspeakercables (12x) Blindtest, measurements, music samples
Sources - NAD M50.2 (streamer, CD player, CD ripper, hard drive music store)
Amplification - NAD M33 all-in-one, NAD M12 preamp (in reserve), Atma-Sphere Class D monos
Speakers - Avantgarde Duo XD, Avantgarde Duo (2006) - both aesthetically modified
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July 12, 2022, 09:35 AM #4
Re: Loudspeakercables (12x) Blindtest, measurements, music samples
Test was streamed on youtube, listening part only
It's not my test, I followed the test on youtubeMoon 700i V2, YG Acoustics Hailey, Aurender N10, dCS Rossini, Oppo BDP103D (audiopraise board), Ansuz Mainz 8 D2
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July 12, 2022, 09:40 AM #5
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The stream is still on youtube but it is a long session, better to use the samples on the website for a quick listen.
Moon 700i V2, YG Acoustics Hailey, Aurender N10, dCS Rossini, Oppo BDP103D (audiopraise board), Ansuz Mainz 8 D2
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July 12, 2022, 10:49 AM #6
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Cheers ! …. Dave
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July 12, 2022, 12:50 PM #7
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Sleep well I guess
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July 13, 2022, 07:43 PM #8
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We live in a world with split realities and anything that doesn't fit is fake news.
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July 15, 2022, 08:31 AM #9
Re: Loudspeakercables (12x) Blindtest, measurements, music samples
This is just me, but.
I don't understand how you can use YouTube or any other internet video source, listen to it through a laptop or computer only and make critical decisions on the sound of audio equipment.
I understand he is using head phones and maybe that makes a world of difference.Synology 1019D+ - SGC Sonictransporter I9 w Roon/HQ Player- UltraRendu- PBD Stream IF to Playback Designs MPS5 via fiber optic - ARC 40th Anniversary Pre - ARC 610 T's - Martin Logan CLX's - 4 Martin Logan Depth i Subs - Shunyata Hydra, DIY PCOCC interconnects, speaker cables and power cords with Furutech terminations. Blue Jeans CAT 6's. Acoustically treated room with one permanent chair.
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July 15, 2022, 09:48 AM #10
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July 15, 2022, 10:20 AM #11
Re: Loudspeakercables (12x) Blindtest, measurements, music samples
I don't think we can udge differences from a you tube video, but if you can actually hear them, well it's still a matter of debate many deny.
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July 15, 2022, 12:03 PM #12
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Re: Loudspeakercables (12x) Blindtest, measurements, music samples
I belong to some music forums and share a lot of things from YouTube. If the difference is noticeable you should be able to hear it on YouTube but not to the extent as in real life.
I can hear differences in sound quality of songs just through my phone, headphones is even better.
Due to the various ways to listen and sources I'd say people's results would very wildly.Aurender ACS10 w/Audioquest Diamond USB, Esoteric N05xd
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July 15, 2022, 12:56 PM #13
Re: Loudspeakercables (12x) Blindtest, measurements, music samples
Differences were definitly there when listening through headphones (Audeze LCD-X with Chord Hugo and laptop), listening to youtube over speakers (to other systems recorded by microphone) doesn't work IMO, that way you basically listening to two different room acoustics on top of each other.
Alpha audio uses some good equipment to record their "reference" system, off course listening over youtube is not same as being in the test room, over my headphones it is difficult (better say imposible) to say anything regarding soundstage, depth and height, but in most other parts I could hear differences between the cables.
Before seeing the results, I preferred the van den Hul and Shunyata options, both belong to the top of the list of the measurements Alpha audio made.
I was planning to only listen in for half an hour, but in the end I listened till the end, I will not go and order new speakercables now, but I did enjoy the effort that Alpha audio put into the test.Moon 700i V2, YG Acoustics Hailey, Aurender N10, dCS Rossini, Oppo BDP103D (audiopraise board), Ansuz Mainz 8 D2
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July 15, 2022, 01:07 PM #14
Re: Loudspeakercables (12x) Blindtest, measurements, music samples
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July 15, 2022, 04:54 PM #15
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July 16, 2022, 05:32 PM #17
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Mark Levinson #526, 534 & JBL 4367's
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Clarus Concerto & their Crimson cables
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July 16, 2022, 05:34 PM #18
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Re: Loudspeakercables (12x) Blindtest, measurements, music samples
Aurender ACS10 w/Audioquest Diamond USB, Esoteric N05xd
Mark Levinson #526, 534 & JBL 4367's
Clearaudio Performance DC w/Maestro cart
Clarus Concerto & their Crimson cables
HT: Marantz AV8003, Linn 5125, JBL SAM3ha, Revel s30,
SVS PC13 Ultra
Transparent, Analysis Plus & Tributaries. PS Audio filtering
Sony XBR-75X940D & BDP
Parasound P6, MBL 8006b, Artisan speakers/subwoofer
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July 17, 2022, 02:52 AM #19
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Most of my cables are Ansuz
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July 17, 2022, 02:07 PM #20
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Re: Loudspeakercables (12x) Blindtest, measurements, music samples
I heard few samples in Alpha-Audio. I think "6. JvG M.L Reference" is close to original sound.
Mr Peabody
Same camera for each listen, it's consistent, what's your point? If the configuration was the same for each cable and a difference heard, then there's a difference.
Mr. Audiophile Junkie (Youtube ID) recorded many rooms on audio shows with a same video machine. I can hear different sounds of each rooms through his videos.
Human ears are very biased. Ours ears hear a same sound differently and instantly when our brain is influenced any reason. Our ears become protective mode (become dull and insensitive) quickly when they hear bad or hurting sounds.
Microphone is the best way to hear an audio system. The microphone records always same way unlike human ears do. An audio system can sounds good to the owner but it can sounds bad to other people because the owner's ears are used (and adjusted) to his system. A microphone whether cheap or expensive will record same way always.
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July 17, 2022, 02:35 PM #21
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Re: Loudspeakercables (12x) Blindtest, measurements, music samples
Interesting that this a dealer/distributor for many of the brands tested. But, omitting a full loom on the signal path (Interconnects + Speaker Cables) is of course IMHO chasing one’s tail.
Would be curious if there will be part 2 with the same brand/level interconnect from the source to the speaker cable.
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July 17, 2022, 03:40 PM #22
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Alpha audio is not a dealer or distributor as far as I know, there are a few shops in Belgium with the same name.
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July 17, 2022, 03:59 PM #23
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Re: Loudspeakercables (12x) Blindtest, measurements, music samples
Oh ok.
I thought this was distributor/dealer behind Alpha
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July 17, 2022, 05:41 PM #24
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Aurender ACS10 w/Audioquest Diamond USB, Esoteric N05xd
Mark Levinson #526, 534 & JBL 4367's
Clearaudio Performance DC w/Maestro cart
Clarus Concerto & their Crimson cables
HT: Marantz AV8003, Linn 5125, JBL SAM3ha, Revel s30,
SVS PC13 Ultra
Transparent, Analysis Plus & Tributaries. PS Audio filtering
Sony XBR-75X940D & BDP
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July 17, 2022, 05:44 PM #25
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Re: Loudspeakercables (12x) Blindtest, measurements, music samples
Aurender ACS10 w/Audioquest Diamond USB, Esoteric N05xd
Mark Levinson #526, 534 & JBL 4367's
Clearaudio Performance DC w/Maestro cart
Clarus Concerto & their Crimson cables
HT: Marantz AV8003, Linn 5125, JBL SAM3ha, Revel s30,
SVS PC13 Ultra
Transparent, Analysis Plus & Tributaries. PS Audio filtering
Sony XBR-75X940D & BDP
Parasound P6, MBL 8006b, Artisan speakers/subwoofer
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July 18, 2022, 12:03 AM #26
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Re: Loudspeakercables (12x) Blindtest, measurements, music samples
Mr Peabody
Same camera for each listen, it's consistent, what's your point? If the configuration was the same for each cable and a difference heard, then there's a difference.
Even if the microphone on the camera is very low quality, we can still hear the sound difference between recordings.
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July 18, 2022, 02:51 AM #27
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July 18, 2022, 03:47 PM #28
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Re: Loudspeakercables (12x) Blindtest, measurements, music samples
Right. I agree with you.
I'm one of those who think that a video can actually give an idea of what a system worth. And no camera is going to make to sound good a system that plays badly. That's why I say the camera doesn't add anything. If it sounds good in video, the system should already be reasonably tuned.
But if there are those who don't hear (nor want to) hear differences in cables live, we can't expect them to detect it in videos.
As for the differences themselves, I don't even get into the discussion anymore. It's so obvious to me that it's not debatable. Cable do make (the) difference. And for a very logical basic reason: because the signal passes through them.
I said it before: to me there´s not possible a high end performance without good cables.
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August 7, 2022, 01:19 PM #29
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The english translation of the whole experiment is here:
Megatest speaker cables - real measurements, samples and blind test! - Alpha Audio NET
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