An interesting experience with speaker cables

**AJR** · October 17, 2021, 07:27 AM

Have a fascinating experience to share. After my dog destroyed one of my Magico S3 mk2 bass drivers (literally ripped it off - had to buy a whole new driver from the US and have it installed for SG$3k) she most recently decided my MIT SL-Matrix 70 (SG$7.5k) speaker cable was steak. I skipped the anger and denial stages of grieving and went straight to depression. After 4 weeks of no music I decided to find some cheaper cables. Found a family-owned specialist cable company in Singapore - the father was an engineer for Canare cables back in the day, set up his own retail shop, and sells them, but orders custom-modified. I wanted to but some “decent” cables such that if my terrorist dog ate them again, I would not go bankrupt. So, here is the rub: got their best cables with furutech connectors and an additional coating to hopefully mitigate the jowls of my dog. All for… wait for it…. US$500. 2x 3 metres. Inspected the build quality and it is all copper with each cable comprising 4 x separately insulated wires. 50 hours in and they were awful: muddy. Am 80 hours in now. Recommended burn in is 100 hours. MIT’s sounded better but… not by much tbh at the 80 hour mark. Go figure!

**Calvin** · October 17, 2021, 07:52 AM

That had to be a difficult period with no music. Those small family cables sound like a deal and a half. I think I'd be sending Fluffy to the dog house outside.

Originally Posted by AJR

Have a fascinating experience to share. After my dog destroyed one of my Magico S3 mk2 bass drivers (literally ripped it off - had to buy a whole new driver from the US and have it installed for SG$3k) she most recently decided my MIT SL-Matrix 70 (SG$7.5k) speaker cable was steak. I skipped the anger and denial stages of grieving and went straight to depression. After 4 weeks of no music I decided to find some cheaper cables. Found a family-owned specialist cable company in Singapore - the father was an engineer for Canare cables back in the day, set up his own retail shop, and sells them, but orders custom-modified. I wanted to but some “decent” cables such that if my terrorist dog ate them again, I would not go bankrupt. So, here is the rub: got their best cables with furutech connectors and an additional coating to hopefully mitigate the jowls of my dog. All for… wait for it…. US$500. 2x 3 metres. Inspected the build quality and it is all copper with each cable comprising 4 x separately insulated wires. 50 hours in and they were awful: muddy. Am 80 hours in now. Recommended burn in is 100 hours. MIT’s sounded better but… not by much tbh at the 80 hour mark. Go figure!

**AJR** · October 17, 2021, 07:54 AM

Originally Posted by Calvin

That had to be a difficult period with no music. Those small family cables sound like a deal and a half. I think I'd be sending Fluffy to the dog house outside.

Oh man, Zena was on death row after the speaker terrorist attack!

**AJR** · October 17, 2021, 08:00 AM

Trying to upload photos of the destruction but asks for a URL and not sure how to do that

**joeinid** · October 17, 2021, 08:56 AM

I’m sorry about the destruction.

**AJR** · October 17, 2021, 09:27 AM

Thanks Joe. Rod and back spring to mind! All good. At least I got to inspect the Magico driver in detail. A few surface scratches but pleased to report it is dog-proof

**AJR** · October 17, 2021, 09:28 AM

Am more interested in how these $500 cables stand up

**GSOphile** · October 17, 2021, 10:15 AM

I have used the metal grills that came with my S3 MkIIs as grandchild/house cleaner protectors when I'm not listening or potential 'threats' are about. The magnetic fasteners are perfect for this application since they don't show wear with repeated use.

**AJR** · October 17, 2021, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by GSOphile

I have used the metal grills that came with my S3 MkIIs as grandchild/house cleaner protectors when I'm not around or potential 'threats' are about. The magnetic fasteners are perfect for this application since they don't show wear with repeated use.

I like the grills off and paid a big price. They are on now!

**Phil A** · October 17, 2021, 10:49 AM

Sorry to hear about the troubles. To upload a file from the PC one needs to select the 'Go Advanced' option on the bottom right and then there will be an icom with a paper clip to attach a picture from your PC.

**Ritmo** · October 17, 2021, 10:49 AM

Sorry about the terrorism at home. Glad things are almost back to normal.

**BlueFox** · October 17, 2021, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by GSOphile

I have used the metal grills that came with my S3 MkIIs as grandchild/house cleaner protectors when I'm not listening or potential 'threats' are about. The magnetic fasteners are perfect for this application since they don't show wear with repeated use.

Same with the S5. I take the grills off when listening, and put them on when finished. I had four cats at one point and if they got close and looked at the speakers I would go into berserk mode and make them move. After that they would ignore the speakers even when sitting right in front of them while playing music.

**Mr Peabody** · October 18, 2021, 04:19 PM

Wow, I can't even imagine the emotions if I had something like that happen to my speakers.

$500 to $7500 is quite a value ratio. It would be interesting to be able to side by side compare to your model MIT. The MIT, or any cable, would have to be a good measure better to justify the cost difference.

**AJR** · October 19, 2021, 10:15 AM

Absolutely I need to do a test. Looking forward to it. Does anyone know Canare cables? Understand they are (or were originally) Japanese but that they are in the US also.

**calloway** · October 19, 2021, 01:25 PM

do you have the name of the company or website..?

**AJR** · October 20, 2021, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by calloway

do you have the name of the company or website..?

Canare.com

**puroagave** · October 20, 2021, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by AJR

Absolutely I need to do a test. Looking forward to it. Does anyone know Canare cables? Understand they are (or were originally) Japanese but that they are in the US also.

ive been using Canare for years along with Mogami, both pro audio cables made in Japan. FWIW Magico internally wires their speakers with Canare 4S11

**AJR** · October 20, 2021, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by puroagave

ive been using Canare for years along with Mogami, both pro audio cables made in Japan. FWIW Magico internally wires their speakers with Canare 4S11

Thanks for this! I need to do a blind test and it has been more than a month since I listened to my system with my MITs but am astounded at the quality of sound these US$500 cables are producing. Full soundstage. Bass is perhaps a little lacking but only 90 hours in.

Let’s see.

**AJR** · October 20, 2021, 01:23 PM

Some context is needed. Canare is the cable manufacturer. The Singapore retailer orders and also custom designs (my cables apparently are weighted slightly more to mid and high ranges). My retailer buys in bulk and sells to AV companies, so some scale. And they do not sell the “brand” so no brand premium. Can’t wait to see how they stand up against the MITs!

**nonesup** · October 20, 2021, 01:51 PM

Be careful, if something bad happens to the dog by eating the components of its system, it may be reported for animal abuse. “Poor doggy"

**AJR** · October 20, 2021, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by nonesup

Be careful, if something bad happens to the dog by eating the components of its system, it may be reported for animal abuse. “Poor doggy"

I quickly realised that it was all my fault. The key to a successful marriage!

**bzr** · October 22, 2021, 04:08 AM

Originally Posted by puroagave

ive been using Canare for years along with Mogami, both pro audio cables made in Japan. FWIW Magico internally wires their speakers with Canare 4S11

Am a fan of Mogami for good reason.

**Kingsrule** · October 22, 2021, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by puroagave

ive been using Canare for years along with Mogami, both pro audio cables made in Japan. FWIW Magico internally wires their speakers with Canare 4S11

No Mundorf

**puroagave** · October 22, 2021, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by Kingsrule

No Mundorf

these are stacks of S3 crossovers the 4S11 in gray jackets are easy to pick out. Other pics online showing 4S11 cable used in M project speakers too.

**Kingsrule** · October 23, 2021, 09:47 AM

Taking off the speaker connector panel on my MProjects, clearly Mundorf to the binding posts
Of course couldn't see the XOver boards. Maybe the lesser speakers use different cable. Maybe there is a combination used

I havent taken the panel off my M6's so can't comment on that model

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