Ayre KX-5 Twenty and VX-5 Twenty combo ......

**Mivera Audio** · May 4, 2016, 01:28 AM

Originally Posted by MikeCh

Well, I don't know that I'd go that far. I've always been a believer that having some tubes somewhere in the chain can add a bit of flavor. For me, having tubes (all tube or tube hybrid designs) in the line stage and/or phono stage while using SS for power yields the best sound to my ears.

Digital filters/modulators can do the same thing. But they need to be very powerful to get it right. Or swap the SIL994 with the Sparko.

**MikeCh** · May 4, 2016, 01:36 AM

Originally Posted by Mivera Audio

Digital filters/modulators can do the same thing. But they need to be very powerful to get it right. Or swap the SIL994 with the Sparko.

Cool, yep, plan on picking up the Sparkos opamps shortly just so I can see what sort of changes they impart. I really like the SI994 though at this point.

The beauty of being able to swap in all kinds of options for seasoning makes the Nord a bang up deal in my opinion.

**Mivera Audio** · May 4, 2016, 01:48 AM

Originally Posted by MikeCh

Cool, yep, plan on picking up the Sparkos opamps shortly just so I can see what sort of changes they impart. I really like the SI994 though at this point.

The beauty of being able to swap in all kinds of options for seasoning makes the Nord a bang up deal in my opinion.

Yes and some of the opamps you can try are under $2! And completely transform the sound of the amp. I'm confident with the right opamp, anyone can get the sound they are looking for out of their system with these amps. Another very tube like option is the Audio-GD OPA's. 3 versions to choose from:

http://www.audio-gd.com/Pro/diy/OPA/OPAEN.htm

**Kuoppis** · May 4, 2016, 02:03 AM

Originally Posted by Mivera Audio

Digital filters/modulators can do the same thing.

Sorry to say, but that is unfortunately a bit bold.

Case in point: You referred to guitar playing earlier, ever tried out the fine Line 6 amps? They digitally simulate tens of amp types and hundreds of effects. They sound kind of good, but do have very little in common to actually cranking up a Mesa, Vox or Marshall for that matter with good ol' bottles.

It is a generalisation on the level of analogue, digital... what ever. It's all just electrical current.

But, in case your point of view is that you do not hear the difference of tubes, class A, class AB or class D, then I understand your comment.

**Mivera Audio** · May 4, 2016, 02:23 AM

Originally Posted by Kuoppis

Sorry to say, but that is unfortunately a bit bold.

Case in point: You referred to guitar playing either, ever tried out the fine Line 6 amps? They digitally simulate tens of amp types and hundreds of effects. They sound kind of good, but do have very little in common to actually cranking up a Mesa, Vox or Marshall for that matter with good ol' bottles.

It is a generalisation on the level of analogue, digital... what ever. It's all just electrical current.

But, in case your point of view is that you do not hear the difference of tubes, class A, class AB or class D, then I understand your comment.

Those simulators for guitar amps are mediocre at best. Besides without the exact same driver, cabinet and amp, you will never get the exact same sound signature from a digital filter through a guitar amp.

I hear the difference between all of the amp types, but I also know when you have a completely transparent amp, you can easily manipulate the sound signature to sound however you want. Emulating a specific amp to try to make it exactly the same is a bit trickier. But you don't have to do that. All you need to do is get a sound signature that you like. With the Nord, the opamps are amplifiers. When you swap them out you are changing amplifiers. Only difference is they are much cheaper than swapping the whole amp to get a different sound.

**Kuoppis** · May 4, 2016, 03:40 AM

Originally Posted by Mivera Audio

Those simulators for guitar amps are mediocre at best.

Well, they are exactly as mediocre as your digital filters. Except that e.g. Line 6 has a multiple of resources available to develop that stuff, compared to the audio companies you are referring to.

Besides, neither of those are where the art originates. The most advanced digitalisation tools, i.e. codecs, error correction, compression algorithms, signal processing and manipulation, QoS etc. are developed in telecoms, where you have tens of thousands of engineers figuring out how to preserve a signal over tens of thousands of miles and not where a handful of engineers are looking at the last three feet.

Besides without the exact same driver, cabinet and amp, you will never get the exact same sound signature from a digital filter through a guitar amp.

You are kind of proving my point here, by digital manipulation you can get close but never achieve the original.

About the guitar amps, does not seem to be your area, the cabinets play only a negligible role. All cheap MDF with 1-4 huge full range woofers in them and typically half or fully open to the back. No real science here.

I hear the difference between all of the amp types, but I also know when you have a completely transparent amp, you can easily manipulate the sound signature to sound however you want. Emulating a specific amp to try to make it exactly the same is a bit trickier. But you don't have to do that. All you need to do is get a sound signature that you like. With the Nord, the opamps are amplifiers. When you swap them out you are changing amplifiers. Only difference is they are much cheaper than swapping the whole amp to get a different sound.

Good, so you do concur that digital and analog sound different. That's the whole point.

I do not say Nord does not sound good, I do not say you cannot make them sound in different ways. I could imagine some may even prefer that sound. I am just saying, so far, you cannot make a digital simulation sound exactly as the original.

Then there is the dryness to digital amplification that just kills me. People talk about the liquid sound of tubes, so I might not be the only one who have noticed.

What comes to tubed electric guitar sound, I referred to the cathode follower principle earlier. That's the secret sauce. Also works in audio, my little EAR 834P Signature does that. While having other deficiencies, it gives me Jimi as close as possible to the original

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**Mivera Audio** · May 4, 2016, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by Kuoppis

Well, they are exactly as mediocre as your digital filters. Except that e.g. Line 6 has a multiple of resources available to develop that stuff, compared to the audio companies you are referring to.

Besides, neither of those are where the art originates. The most advanced digitalisation tools, i.e. codecs, error correction, compression algorithms, signal processing and manipulation, QoS etc. are developed in telecoms, where you have tens of thousands of engineers figuring out how to preserve a signal over tens of thousands of miles and not where a handful of engineers are looking at the last three feet.

You are kind of proving my point here, by digital manipulation you can get close but never achieve the original.

About the guitar amps, does not seem to be your area, the cabinets play only a negligible role. All cheap MDF with 1-4 huge full range woofers in them and typically half or fully open to the back. No real science here.

Good, so you do concur that digital and analog sound different. That's the whole point.

I do not say Nord does not sound good, I do not say you cannot make them sound in different ways. I could imagine some may even prefer that sound. I am just saying, so far, you cannot make a digital simulation sound exactly as the original.

Then there is the dryness to digital amplification that just kills me. People talk about the liquid sound of tubes, so I might not be the only one who have noticed.

What comes to tubed electric guitar sound, I referred to the cathode follower principle earlier. That's the secret sauce. Also works in audio, my little EAR 834P Signature does that. While having other deficiencies, it gives me Jimi as close as possible to the original

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I'm glad you have experience with the digital filters I'm talking about. Ask Joe how dry his Nord's sound with the Sparko's. If you want sound so wet you will need to put on a wet suit in your living room, get the Audio GD OPA-Moon's.

I've noticed it's always the people without the experience who have all the answers.

**audio.bill** · May 4, 2016, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by Mivera Audio

I've noticed it's always the people without the experience who have all the answers.

This statement is coming from someone who has made system recommendations composed of gear he admits to never having heard. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

**Mivera Audio** · May 4, 2016, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by audio.bill

This statement is coming from someone who has made system recommendations composed of gear he admits to never having heard. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Do you need to jump off a tall building to know it will kill you?

**Mike** · May 4, 2016, 11:06 AM

There is no substitute for experience.

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**a.wayne** · May 4, 2016, 11:15 AM

Rofl

**KeithR** · May 4, 2016, 12:03 PM

JA's review of the 50k Bel Canto Black system has some nice comparisons to the Ayre Twenty gear at the end:

"I wrote earlier how different the Bel Cantos system's sound quality was from that of the Ayre electronics. The Ayre combo had a robust overall sound—before being broken in, its sound was a little too robust—with a rhythmically coherent character that emphasized musical values. With every recording I played, the Ayres got the overall musical picture right. By contrast, the Black presented individual audio objects within the soundstage with superb detail, but those objects were not quite as well integrated into the whole as they were with the Ayre....But despite my familiarity with this recording, the experience of listening to it through Ayre's QB-9, KX-R Twenty, and MX-R Twentys was a little more like the first time I heard Erick Lichte's and my final mix, back in 2007."

Read more at http://www.stereophile.com/content/b...YomG76Gphph.99

**Mike** · May 4, 2016, 12:12 PM

Thanks for sharing. Sounds like Class D to me.

At RMAF (I think or it may have been another show?) they had KEF Blade 2's with the Bel Canto stack in one room and it sounded poor. Then, in another room, Parasound JC1's driving the KEF Blade 2's and it was amazing!

I love the benefits of pure Class D - cheap mega power in a box you can carry under your arm. But sonically, it's not there - YET.

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**Mivera Audio** · May 4, 2016, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

Thanks for sharing. Sounds like Class D to me.

At RMAF (I think or it may have been another show?) they had KEF Blade 2's with the Bel Canto stack in one room and it sounded poor. Then, in another room, Parasound JC1's driving the KEF Blade 2's and it was amazing!

I love the benefits of pure Class D - cheap mega power in a box you can carry under your arm. But sonically, it's not there - YET.

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Sounds like a mediocre input stage implementation. $50k and still can't get you what $2k can from a direct seller. It's a shame.

**Mike** · May 4, 2016, 12:19 PM

Let's get this thread back on topic. AYRE!

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**Randy Myers** · May 4, 2016, 12:59 PM

Ayres!!!!

Sorry, one quick line and last I will say... a newly designed Class D chip, the Wyred 4 Sound Statement Series (being introduces soon) with Blade 2's won best of show in the RMAF....

Back to Ayres.... my only experience with Ayres is my portable player, a Ayres Pono player!

**FlexibleAudio** · May 4, 2016, 01:02 PM

So I went to a bar down the street last night called the Ayre. (Since this thread is about Ayre stuff I thought it would be ok to talk about here.) Suffice it to say its a very sweet watering hole. Anyway it turned out a group of some of the most experienced mountain climbers on the planet happened to be there. They had done Everest, McKinley you name it; they were a hoot. Then walks in this virtual reality expert who commences a dialogue with the mountain dudes. This guy really demonstrated a deep knowledge of his wares. He then claims to have designed a simulator that will provide all of the adrenaline rush, breathlessness, and real world life experiences of climbing to these summits; turns out he says his gizmo will even be better than the real thing. So a bit of a brouhaha gets going and it comes out that the virtual expert hasn't even built his gizmo and, beyond that, he has only climbed the hill he built in his back yard for the neighbor kids to sled on in the winter. It also turns out he had been frequenting other bars where climbers hang out making such claims and was even tossed out of one.

So here is the part I found fascinating. I am not surprised that a fella gets excited about his dreams and runs around trying to excite other fellas about such aspirations; what I found befuddling is that, all things considered, the mountain climbers even entertained the discussion. Ya see there are all sorts of other experts who have climbed lots of mountains and actually made, sold, and had products reviewed that purport to do similar things as this fella claims his gizmo can do. The problem is serious mountain climbers can't come to any kinda consensus on the virtues of such products. So why even fiddle with the first fella til he can put his money were his mouth is and let us play with his special gizmo??

Us mountain climbers is an odd bunch I guess. Anyway, I do recommend the Ayre to wet your whistle if your ever in the neighborhood.

**Kuoppis** · May 4, 2016, 01:05 PM

Quite favorable review for the Ayres indeed - and they are magnificent.

I have not heard the Bel Cantos, but I guess there might still be a bit of space between not being better than the R/20 series Ayres and being bad. I guess Joe's and mine 5/20 series should fit into that space

Ayre KX-5 Twenty and VX-5 Twenty combo ......

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**Randy Myers** · May 4, 2016, 01:06 PM

Nice!!!

Originally Posted by FlexibleAudio

So I went to a bar down the street last night called the Ayre. (Since this thread is about Ayre stuff I thought it would be ok to talk about here.) Suffice it to say its a very sweet watering hole. Anyway it turned out a group of some of the most experienced mountain climbers on the planet happened to be there. They had done Everest, McKinley you name it; they were a hoot. Then walks in this virtual reality expert who commences a dialogue with the mountain dudes. This guy really demonstrated a deep knowledge of his wares. He then claims to have designed a simulator that will provide all of the adrenaline rush, breathlessness, and real world life experiences of climbing to these summits; turns out he says his gizmo will even be better than the real thing. So a bit of a brouhaha gets going and it comes out that the virtual expert hasn't even built his gizmo and, beyond that, he has only climbed the hill he built in his back yard for the neighbor kids to sled on in the winter. It also turns out he had been frequenting other bars where climbers hang out making such claims and was even tossed out of one.

So here is the part I found fascinating. I am not surprised that a fella gets excited about his dreams and runs around trying to excite other fellas about such aspirations; what I found befuddling is that, all things considered, the mountain climbers even entertained the discussion. Ya see there are all sorts of other experts who have climbed lots of mountains and actually made, sold, and had products reviewed that purport to do similar things as this fella's claims his gizmo can do. The problem is serious mountain climbers can't come to any kinda consensus on the virtues of such products. So why even fiddle with the first fella til he can put his money were his mouth is and let us play with his special gizmo??

Us mountain climbers is an odd bunch I guess. Anyway, I do recommend the Ayre to wet your whistle if your ever in the neighborhood.

**Mivera Audio** · May 4, 2016, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by FlexibleAudio

So I went to a bar down the street last night called the Ayre. (Since this thread is about Ayre stuff I thought it would be ok to talk about here.) Suffice it to say its a very sweet watering hole. Anyway it turned out a group of some of the most experienced mountain climbers on the planet happened to be there. They had done Everest, McKinley you name it; they were a hoot. Then walks in this virtual reality expert who commences a dialogue with the mountain dudes. This guy really demonstrated a deep knowledge of his wares. He then claims to have designed a simulator that will provide all of the adrenaline rush, breathlessness, and real world life experiences of climbing to these summits; turns out he says his gizmo will even be better than the real thing. So a bit of a brouhaha gets going and it comes out that the virtual expert hasn't even built his gizmo and, beyond that, he has only climbed the hill he built in his back yard for the neighbor kids to sled on in the winter. It also turns out he had been frequenting other bars where climbers hang out making such claims and was even tossed out of one.

So here is the part I found fascinating. I am not surprised that a fella gets excited about his dreams and runs around trying to excite other fellas about such aspirations; what I found befuddling is that, all things considered, the mountain climbers even entertained the discussion. Ya see there are all sorts of other experts who have climbed lots of mountains and actually made, sold, and had products reviewed that purport to do similar things as this fella's claims his gizmo can do. The problem is serious mountain climbers can't come to any kinda consensus on the virtues of such products. So why even fiddle with the first fella til he can put his money were his mouth is and let us play with his special gizmo??

Us mountain climbers is an odd bunch I guess. Anyway, I do recommend the Ayre to wet your whistle if your ever in the neighborhood.

Myths and misconceptions. The lifeblood of the industry. What ever it takes to make a guy happy they should go for. If that means spending exorbitant amounts of money, this makes for a whole lot of winners. Victory for all! Anyways sounds like that fella might be on to something.

**FlexibleAudio** · May 4, 2016, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by FlexibleAudio

If you listen closely you can hear the silence between pulses. At least thats my story and I am sticking to it.

Originally Posted by KeithR

JA's review of the 50k Bel Canto Black system has some nice comparisons to the Ayre Twenty gear at the end:

"I wrote earlier how different the Bel Cantos system's sound quality was from that of the Ayre electronics. The Ayre combo had a robust overall sound—before being broken in, its sound was a little too robust—with a rhythmically coherent character that emphasized musical values. With every recording I played, the Ayres got the overall musical picture right. By contrast, the Black presented individual audio objects within the soundstage with superb detail, but those objects were not quite as well integrated into the whole as they were with the Ayre....But despite my familiarity with this recording, the experience of listening to it through Ayre's QB-9, KX-R Twenty, and MX-R Twentys was a little more like the first time I heard Erick Lichte's and my final mix, back in 2007."

Read more at http://www.stereophile.com/content/b...YomG76Gphph.99

Re my post #91 above and JA's comment about Class D sound integration, I have said this before, but will repeat the concept because I believe it may have relevance to JA's comments: I am convinced the brain's exceptional ability to discern virtually immeasurable variances in time domain is behind much of the preference some have for analog over digital and or Class A over Class D. The best evidence I could put fourth for this phenomenon is the progression of dacs toward an analog sound as the clock speed is improved (all else held constant). Take an MSB Diamond and play the Femto 140, then the 77 and then the Femto 33 all in the same dac with the same music. You get a progression toward an analog sound. This difference in clock speed is extremely small and would never show up in traditional measurables. Atkin's wave form and impulse plots are in .001 seconds; a femto is .000000000000001 seconds and yet the human mind can discern these change in the time domain.

In my post #91 I was tongue in cheek about actually hearing the silence between Class D pulses compared to Class A, but I do think its possible some find the pulses' effects on time domain to be less to there liking than other forms of amplification.

Please Note: throughout the above I make no statement about the superiority of digital to analog, Cass D to Class A, or vice versa. I am merely providing complete speculation on something that might cause the differences in sound observed by many given what I think is a fairly well accepted observation about the correlation between infinitesimal changes in clock speed and dac performance.

**FlexibleAudio** · May 4, 2016, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by Mivera Audio

Myths and misconceptions. The lifeblood of the industry. What ever it takes to make a guy happy they should go for. If that means spending exorbitant amounts of money, this makes for a whole lot of winners. Victory for all! Anyways sounds like that fella might be on to something.

To be clear, I never said he wasn't and I have made it clear to you my mountain is open for climbing comparisons when the gizmo is ready. I am a skeptical supporter, if that's possible. It's just a little early for some of this imo.

**Mivera Audio** · May 4, 2016, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by FlexibleAudio

To be clear, I never said he wasn't and I have made it clear to you my mountain is open for climbing comparisons when the gizmo is ready. I am a skeptical supporter, if that's possible. It's just a little early for some of this imo.

The Nord amps we been talking about are already ready and proven. As for filters, how do you think DCS gets their "analog sound" so many rave about?

**FlexibleAudio** · May 4, 2016, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by Mivera Audio

The Nord amps we been talking about are already ready and proven. As for filters, how do you think DCS gets their "analog sound" so many rave about?

Bold one: Proven is defined by the user of the word in this case. My data sample requires far more degrees of freedom; but nice try.

Bold two: Oh and the clock has nothing to do with it?

Get back to me when your gizmo is ready.

**Mivera Audio** · May 4, 2016, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by FlexibleAudio

Bold one: Proven is defined by the user of the word in this case. My data sample requires far more degrees of freedom; but nice try.

Bold two: Oh and the clock has nothing to do with it?

As far as I know he has a 100% satisfaction rate. Everyone is thrilled with the amp. And very few have even started opamp rolling yet! The fun hasn't even begun!

And for DCS the clock may be important, but it's the filters that voice them to sound like they do.

**a.wayne** · May 4, 2016, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

Thanks for sharing. Sounds like Class D to me.

At RMAF (I think or it may have been another show?) they had KEF Blade 2's with the Bel Canto stack in one room and it sounded poor. Then, in another room, Parasound JC1's driving the KEF Blade 2's and it was amazing!

I love the benefits of pure Class D - cheap mega power in a box you can carry under your arm. But sonically, it's not there - YET.

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Well lets not forget the 50K price tag ....

**Mike** · May 4, 2016, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by a.wayne

Well lets not forget the 50K price tag ....

That was my point. The $8k JC1's sounded much better to me.

**Mivera Audio** · May 4, 2016, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

That was my point. The $8k JC1's sounded much better to me.

Ever hear a Bose wave radio? I heard they are fantastic as well.

**Mike** · May 4, 2016, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Mivera Audio

Ever hear a Bose wave radio? I heard they are fantastic as well.

Seriously? Glad you like it.

**Mivera Audio** · May 4, 2016, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

Seriously? Glad you like it.

I haven't heard it. But some claim it's the world's best system.

**a.wayne** · May 4, 2016, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by Mivera Audio

As far as I know he has a 100% satisfaction rate. Everyone is thrilled with the amp. And very few have even started opamp rolling yet! The fun hasn't even begun!

And for DCS the clock may be important, but it's the filters that voice them to sound like they do.

Bruno's work is top notch, since it's Audio not everyone is going to like Class-D or digital respect that and it get's alot easier.

**Mike** · May 4, 2016, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by Mivera Audio

I haven't heard it. But some claim it's the world's best system.

Terrific! Happy for them. Again, sounds like another person with no EXPERIENCE.

**Mike** · May 4, 2016, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by a.wayne

Bruno's work is top notch, since it's Audio not everyone is going to like Class-D or digital respect that and it get's alot easier.

His Mola Mola gear is gorgeous to look at.

**Mivera Audio** · May 4, 2016, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by a.wayne

Bruno's work is top notch, since it's Audio not everyone is going to like Class-D or digital respect that and it get's alot easier.

I have no problem with people having different tastes. What bothers me is when people claim to not like things they never heard. I know why people don't like class D, and I've explained why several times as well.

**Paul** · May 4, 2016, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

Seriously? Glad you like it.

They must be Class D

**Randy Myers** · May 4, 2016, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by Mivera Audio

Ever hear a Bose wave radio? I heard they are fantastic as well.

Wife has one in the bedroom.... Trust me, they are not

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**KeithR** · May 4, 2016, 02:24 PM

sorry, but honest question: is Minerva Audio the same person as Blizzard on another forum?

**a.wayne** · May 4, 2016, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by Mivera Audio

I have no problem with people having different tastes. What bothers me is when people claim to not like things they never heard. I know why people don't like class D, and I've explained why several times as well.

See any irony in your post ...

**Mivera Audio** · May 4, 2016, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by a.wayne

See any irony in your post ...

I don't recall claiming to not like something I haven't heard. The problem is nobody actually reads what I say. What I claim is class D and digital can be made to sound phenomenal to everyone. But the secret is you must trust your ears. Very few do, and this is the problem.

**Mike** · May 4, 2016, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by KeithR

sorry, but honest question: is Minerva Audio the same person as Blizzard on another forum?

Yes.

**audio.bill** · May 4, 2016, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by Mivera Audio

I don't recall claiming to not like something I haven't heard. The problem is nobody actually reads what I say. What I claim is class D and digital can be made to sound phenomenal to everyone. But the secret is you must trust your ears. Very few do, and this is the problem.

I believe the irony being referred to is that while you haven't claimed to not like something you haven't heard, you have no problem recommending gear that you admit to never having heard.

**a.wayne** · May 4, 2016, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by Mivera Audio

I don't recall claiming to not like something I haven't heard. The problem is nobody actually reads what I say. What I claim is class D and digital can be made to sound phenomenal to everyone. But the secret is you must trust your ears. Very few do, and this is the problem.

Well you are claiming perfectly neutral and zero distortion (dont exist) and BTW you do realize distortion is a natural phenomenon in our world of hearing, what we hear, every sound made, every instrument et al is accompanied by distortion , strip it to zero and it will sound unnatural and different to most of us, if not everyone would have made the perfect amp by now.

**Mivera Audio** · May 4, 2016, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by a.wayne

Well you are claiming perfectly neutral and zero distortion (dont exist) and BTW you do realize distortion is a natural phenomenon in our world of hearing, what we hear, every sound made, every instrument et al is accompanied by distortion , strip it to zero and it will sound unnatural and different to most of us, if not everyone would have made the perfect amp by now.

I don't recall making that claim. What I claim is sound everyone would consider phenomenal is possible with digital and class D. Regardless of taste.

**Mike** · May 4, 2016, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by joeinid

I just picked up the Ayre KX-5 Twenty and VX-5 Twenty combo. I have to say that even without being broken in, it sounds great. Smooth, non-aggressive, slightly sweet, powerful bass and dead quiet.

Looking good Joe!

**joeinid** · May 4, 2016, 03:59 PM

Thanks

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**FlexibleAudio** · May 4, 2016, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by Mivera Audio

I don't recall making that claim. What I claim is sound everyone would consider phenomenal is possible with digital and class D. Regardless of taste.

So like I been sayin, why don't you mosey on back when you can prove it. Until then this is a fuster cluck.

**Mivera Audio** · May 4, 2016, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by FlexibleAudio

So like I been sayin, why don't you mosey on back when you can prove it. Until then this is a fuster cluck.

It's been proven. Ask Joe.

**FlexibleAudio** · May 4, 2016, 09:01 PM

Like I said--degrees of freedom! You need statistical significance before anything like that can be claimed. This is such an simple concept I must presume you just thrive on propagating irrationality for sport? Like I said, this is a fuster cluck.

**joeinid** · May 4, 2016, 09:05 PM

The Nord Class D amps are a tremendous value. I really like how they sound. Kills Devialet in my book and a lot others too. I also like my other amps. All different flavors of great.

**Mivera Audio** · May 4, 2016, 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by FlexibleAudio

Like I said--degrees of freedom! You need statistical significance before anything like that can be claimed. This is such an simple concept I must presume you just thrive on propagating irrationality for sport? Like I said, this is a fuster cluck.

For me Joe's opinion holds more weight than 1000 mortals

As one of the biggest tube fans I know of, Joe's testimonial speaks volumes.

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