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    Re: Ayre KX-5 Twenty and VX-5 Twenty

    Mike, thanks. It's a large room, and also very open, as it opens into the kitchen, a wide hallway, and sort of a common area. So the speakers are firing into quite a large volume. (When we were building the house, the architect had originally drawn it to be a little more "traditional" with a separate living room and dining room, and when I looked at the plans I decided that I'd rather have one big open space than two closed-off rooms of middling size, so we basically got rid of one wall. I love it and the acoustics are overall not bad, but it's big.) I am currently using my Hegel H160 as the power amp via the HomeTheater Direct inputs and had previously used it as an integrated; I think it is adequate, in terms of power, but I am pretty sure I wouldn't want to go lower. However, the vandersteen high-pass filter will relieve whatever I am using as my power amp of a good bit of work. So it's hard to really know either way. At the moment I am leaning towards keeping the KX-5 and going for the VX-5, or maybe the new Vandersteen monoblocks. But I have a few months to swish it around in my head before I decide...
    Main system: PS Audio P5, CAPS server w/HDPlex power supply, Hegel H160, AQ Colorado and Rocket 44, Vandersteen Treos, PS Audio DS DAC. NAD M4 tuner, Mcintosh MR74. Analog: Bryston BLP1, Ortofon Quintet Black, customized Tavish Adagio phono pre. AudioSensibility Statement interconnects. Rythmik Audio 15-inch sub. Other stuff: Sequerra Met 7's (original) Met 7 MK. II, REL Q108, Berning ea-230's, Micro Seiki BL51 with Grace and Rega arms. Too much else to list, I am gonna leave a heck of a pile of stuff when I die.

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    Re: Ayre KX-5 Twenty and VX-5 Twenty

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    Main system: PS Audio P5, CAPS server w/HDPlex power supply, Hegel H160, AQ Colorado and Rocket 44, Vandersteen Treos, PS Audio DS DAC. NAD M4 tuner, Mcintosh MR74. Analog: Bryston BLP1, Ortofon Quintet Black, customized Tavish Adagio phono pre. AudioSensibility Statement interconnects. Rythmik Audio 15-inch sub. Other stuff: Sequerra Met 7's (original) Met 7 MK. II, REL Q108, Berning ea-230's, Micro Seiki BL51 with Grace and Rega arms. Too much else to list, I am gonna leave a heck of a pile of stuff when I die.

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    Re: Ayre KX-5 Twenty and VX-5 Twenty

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    I like that plan. The kx5/vx5 combo is excellent.
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    Re: Ayre KX-5 Twenty and VX-5 Twenty

    Mike, have you had an opportunity to hear the new Vandersteen amps? The idea of monoblocks and integral filters definitely appeal to me. I do wish they had priced them a little lower though.
    Main system: PS Audio P5, CAPS server w/HDPlex power supply, Hegel H160, AQ Colorado and Rocket 44, Vandersteen Treos, PS Audio DS DAC. NAD M4 tuner, Mcintosh MR74. Analog: Bryston BLP1, Ortofon Quintet Black, customized Tavish Adagio phono pre. AudioSensibility Statement interconnects. Rythmik Audio 15-inch sub. Other stuff: Sequerra Met 7's (original) Met 7 MK. II, REL Q108, Berning ea-230's, Micro Seiki BL51 with Grace and Rega arms. Too much else to list, I am gonna leave a heck of a pile of stuff when I die.

  5. #55

    Re: Ayre KX-5 Twenty and VX-5 Twenty

    Hi Jay, my understanding is that Vandersteen has developed lower cost monoblock amps that work well with Treos, Quatros, etc. I do not know when they will be available to demo/purchase. Contact your local Vandersteen dealer or the company directly.
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    Re: Ayre KX-5 Twenty and VX-5 Twenty

    I know, that's what I'm talking about - expected to sell for $15k, which is 50% more than the Ayre. hafta be pretty good for me to pay that $5k more.
    Main system: PS Audio P5, CAPS server w/HDPlex power supply, Hegel H160, AQ Colorado and Rocket 44, Vandersteen Treos, PS Audio DS DAC. NAD M4 tuner, Mcintosh MR74. Analog: Bryston BLP1, Ortofon Quintet Black, customized Tavish Adagio phono pre. AudioSensibility Statement interconnects. Rythmik Audio 15-inch sub. Other stuff: Sequerra Met 7's (original) Met 7 MK. II, REL Q108, Berning ea-230's, Micro Seiki BL51 with Grace and Rega arms. Too much else to list, I am gonna leave a heck of a pile of stuff when I die.

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    Re: Ayre KX-5 Twenty and VX-5 Twenty

    Decided to stick with Ayre, expecting my new VX-5 Twenty to arrive at the dealer's shortly. Banking on the synergy between the Ayre pre and power amp, and as I had said above, would need a pretty darn persuasive case to drop the extra $5k. I like the fact that the Vandy's are monoblocks and won't need an external filter... doesn't add up to $5k for me though and Ayre was having a moving sale, so I went for it. Next purchase will probably be the upcoming PS Audio music server...
    Main system: PS Audio P5, CAPS server w/HDPlex power supply, Hegel H160, AQ Colorado and Rocket 44, Vandersteen Treos, PS Audio DS DAC. NAD M4 tuner, Mcintosh MR74. Analog: Bryston BLP1, Ortofon Quintet Black, customized Tavish Adagio phono pre. AudioSensibility Statement interconnects. Rythmik Audio 15-inch sub. Other stuff: Sequerra Met 7's (original) Met 7 MK. II, REL Q108, Berning ea-230's, Micro Seiki BL51 with Grace and Rega arms. Too much else to list, I am gonna leave a heck of a pile of stuff when I die.

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    Re: Ayre KX-5 Twenty and VX-5 Twenty

    I would like to try the new amp for my Revel Studio 2. On my list, Pass and Ayre. Would this Twenty combo be a good match?

    I have used McIntosh MC452, CJ and currently use Devialet D400.
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    Re: Ayre KX-5 Twenty and VX-5 Twenty

    I had the VX/KX-20 combo on my Studio2. It was superb. My favorite amps on the Studio2 were the CJ ART monos but they are pretty expensive. All the Ayre gear is great on the Studio2, they are relatively easy to drive so they work with a lot of gear.
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    Re: Ayre KX-5 Twenty and VX-5 Twenty

    Thanks Joe! I love to pair CJ ET5/ET250s with the Revels. I moved CJ to another room with Maggies and love this combination, too. I tried Pass Int-150 and Ayre AX-7e and thinking to upgrade to Pass or Ayre for the Revels.
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    Re: Ayre KX-5 Twenty and VX-5 Twenty

    Ayre amps take a little while to warm up so if you are not one to leave music playing all day, fire up the system an hour or so before any serious listening. I felt that even after a few hours, the system sounded better. Ayre has superb treble and mids with articulate bass.
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    Re: Ayre KX-5 Twenty and VX-5 Twenty

    I have had my Ayre Kx-5 and Vx-5 combo for about 6 months now... am very happy with them both, despite really being a tube guy at heart (decided to stick with SS because I am away from home for long periods of time and my wife likes to use the system all day, so didn't want her to have to deal with tube issues.)

    Zero problems with the Ayre gear and all who hear it LOVE what they are hearing. Question: What are people using for power cables? I have a Cardas Clear M on the pre, have been playing with Shunyata Venom HC, Zu Event, and now a Sablon Petit Corona on the power. I may be able to bag one of the Ayre signature cords at a good price, anybody try one? One issue is that I would need it ti make a fairly tight bend, say about a 4-inch bend radius. TIA!
    Main system: PS Audio P5, CAPS server w/HDPlex power supply, Hegel H160, AQ Colorado and Rocket 44, Vandersteen Treos, PS Audio DS DAC. NAD M4 tuner, Mcintosh MR74. Analog: Bryston BLP1, Ortofon Quintet Black, customized Tavish Adagio phono pre. AudioSensibility Statement interconnects. Rythmik Audio 15-inch sub. Other stuff: Sequerra Met 7's (original) Met 7 MK. II, REL Q108, Berning ea-230's, Micro Seiki BL51 with Grace and Rega arms. Too much else to list, I am gonna leave a heck of a pile of stuff when I die.

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    Re: Ayre KX-5 Twenty and VX-5 Twenty

    Quote Originally Posted by JayNudel View Post
    I have had my Ayre Kx-5 and Vx-5 combo for about 6 months now... am very happy with them both, despite really being a tube guy at heart (decided to stick with SS because I am away from home for long periods of time and my wife likes to use the system all day, so didn't want her to have to deal with tube issues.)

    Zero problems with the Ayre gear and all who hear it LOVE what they are hearing. Question: What are people using for power cables? I have a Cardas Clear M on the pre, have been playing with Shunyata Venom HC, Zu Event, and now a Sablon Petit Corona on the power. I may be able to bag one of the Ayre signature cords at a good price, anybody try one? One issue is that I would need it ti make a fairly tight bend, say about a 4-inch bend radius. TIA!
    Hi Jay. What power cable(s) did you end up trying? I finally got a KX-5 Twenty to go with my VX-5 Twenty. And man, what a huge upgrade over the K5xeMP. The only minor issue I'm having is it runs out of steam. When volume is wide open, transients rarely hit 90dBs (I have 97dB efficient speakers). I'm used to having preamps that easily go over 100dBs+ with volume to spare. But this thing does sound dynamite.

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    Re: Ayre KX-5 Twenty and VX-5 Twenty

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    Re: Ayre KX-5 Twenty and VX-5 Twenty

    Quote Originally Posted by audiom3 View Post
    Hi Jay. What power cable(s) did you end up trying? I finally got a KX-5 Twenty to go with my VX-5 Twenty. And man, what a huge upgrade over the K5xeMP. The only minor issue I'm having is it runs out of steam. When volume is wide open, transients rarely hit 90dBs (I have 97dB efficient speakers). I'm used to having preamps that easily go over 100dBs+ with volume to spare. But this thing does sound dynamite.
    I used to have the same combo a couple years back, but never ran into that issue.

    Don’t remember whether that is the case, but have you checked, whether the pre has a gain setting? It could be that there is one, and it is set on a very low level.

    If not, you’ve probably fried your amp. The thing is, the VX-5 Twenty is wired hot. That means, there is current on some of the the XLR pins when the amp is switched on. Therefore, if changing or adjusting cables when the amp is switched on, you’ll fry the power output stages.

    I was using the combo with 88 db efficient Magico S3’s, and never came even close to running out of steam.


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    Re: Ayre KX-5 Twenty and VX-5 Twenty

    Quote Originally Posted by Kuoppis View Post
    I used to have the same combo a couple years back, but never ran into that issue.

    Don’t remember whether that is the case, but have you checked, whether the pre has a gain setting? It could be that there is one, and it is set on a very low level.

    If not, you’ve probably fried your amp. The thing is, the VX-5 Twenty is wired hot. That means, there is current on some of the the XLR pins when the amp is switched on. Therefore, if changing or adjusting cables when the amp is switched on, you’ll fry the power output stages.

    I was using the combo with 88 db efficient Magico S3’s, and never came even close to running out of steam.


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    Thanks for your response. Today I hooked up my Tascam DA-3000 recorder and ripped some vinyl via the XLR tape outs. I actually had to raise the input gain by +7dBs on the Tascam even though I was using single ended inputs with my prior preamp. I should have had to subtract ~6dBs. So I know it's the KX-5 output. I emailed Ryan because I'm fairly certain a prior owner must have lowered the overall gain of the preamp. I'll just order new resistors from Ayre and install them.

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    Re: Ayre KX-5 Twenty and VX-5 Twenty

    Quote Originally Posted by audiom3 View Post
    Thanks for your response. Today I hooked up my Tascam DA-3000 recorder and ripped some vinyl via the XLR tape outs. I actually had to raise the input gain by +7dBs on the Tascam even though I was using single ended inputs with my prior preamp. I should have had to subtract ~6dBs. So I know it's the KX-5 output. I emailed Ryan because I'm fairly certain a prior owner must have lowered the overall gain of the preamp. I'll just order new resistors from Ayre and install them.

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    It might make sense to check with Ayre. My suspicion is that it’s the power stages of the VX-5 Twenty.


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    Re: Ayre KX-5 Twenty and VX-5 Twenty

    Quote Originally Posted by Kuoppis View Post
    It might make sense to check with Ayre. My suspicion is that it’s the power stages of the VX-5 Twenty.


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    Thanks, I will. I'd be very pissed if that's the case because I got my amp back from Ayre in early January when I had it reconditioned.

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    Re: Ayre KX-5 Twenty and VX-5 Twenty

    I finally had some time to hook up my backup amp over the weekend. Its a high powered Class D model. It didn't churn out any more power than the VX-5. In fact was slightly less SPLs even though it has the same gain as the VX-5. I've ordered the resistor(s) from Ryan to increase overall gain on the KX-5. Guess it's about all I can do from here. I think the added 6dBs will do the trick though.

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    Re: Ayre KX-5 Twenty and VX-5 Twenty

    The resistors did the trick! It wasn't just an overall lack of volume level. I had suspected that the FR felt skewed just a bit toward highs/mids. Not thin perse but it just seemed like some bass impact was lacking. After installing the 3k resistors, everything sounds balanced and can get as loud as I would ever need it. Such an amazing combo to go with my Legacy Focus SE speakers. Thank you Ryan for always being there and picking up the phone (even after hours!). Ayre customer service is top-notch indeed!

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    Re: Ayre KX-5 Twenty and VX-5 Twenty

    Congratulations!

    Great news. Ayre has always been great with customer service. I do miss my Ayre gear these days.
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