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    Today’s Avantgarde Duo XD Install

    A 7:30pm delivery by the freight company meant a late setup, but we got it done.










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    Re: Today’s Avantgarde Duo XD Install

    Very nice!
    Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.

    Job INTegrated. Luxman L-595aSE

    NAD C 658 streamer.

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    Wow. Looks great . That’s a whole lot of power bet it sounds great as well.
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    Re: Today’s Avantgarde Duo XD Install

    Great ! Avantgarde family is getting bigger. Mike you should get some kind of award from them. Best Avantgarde dealer ever !
    Paul

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    Re: Today’s Avantgarde Duo XD Install

    Nice
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    Re: Today’s Avantgarde Duo XD Install

    Mike, do you have an opinion of AG vs Cessaro horns?
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    Re: Today’s Avantgarde Duo XD Install

    Now that is an amp speaker combo I would love to hear...
    Right after I placed the amps on spring loaded platforms...
    Should be a GREAT match...

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    Re: Today’s Avantgarde Duo XD Install

    They really are cool looking Mike, lol. I need to hear your system next time I"m down to visit fam.
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    Re: Today’s Avantgarde Duo XD Install

    Very nice looking and, I bet, great sounding system! Congratulations to the new owner and to you Mike!
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    Re: Today’s Avantgarde Duo XD Install

    Avantgarde + viva audio must be great team.


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    Beautiful.
    Wish I could hear it.
    Rick

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    Re: Today’s Avantgarde Duo XD Install

    Beautiful. Nothing like being able to live vicariously through Mikes' clients installations.
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    Re: Today’s Avantgarde Duo XD Install

    i've always been so interested in these speakers but have never had a chance to listen. silly question, but do they do well with EDM and hip hop or are they better off being used for more traditional audiophile music?

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    Re: Today’s Avantgarde Duo XD Install

    I feel that they work with every kind of music, but I’ll defer to others with more experience. I’m so happy with mine that I sold all my JBL speakers and my Studio2 as well. I’m so ecstatic with my Duo XD that they don’t let me think about anything else.
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    thanks joe...that's quite an endorsement. i wont lie though, i was really hoping to hear that they don't do well with that kind of music. uh oh!

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    p.s. nice to meet a fellow ny'er (nyc by any chance?)

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    Re: Today’s Avantgarde Duo XD Install

    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    I feel that they work with every kind of music, but I’ll defer to others with more experience. I’m so happy with mine that I sold all my JBL speakers and my Studio2 as well. I’m so ecstatic with my Duo XD that they don’t let me think about anything else.
    Joe, how is the sweet spot size vs those other speakers?

    glad you found your destination speaker! i've been hearing a number of options lately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skanda View Post
    thanks joe...that's quite an endorsement. i wont lie though, i was really hoping to hear that they don't do well with that kind of music. uh oh!
    Hahahahaha, you should have told me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KeithR View Post
    Joe, how is the sweet spot size vs those other speakers?

    glad you found your destination speaker! i've been hearing a number of options lately.
    Hi Keith,

    The sweet spot is pretty big for me. But maybe not as big as some. I don't find any issue but if you have a deeper room and can spread things out a little, you'll be fine. Once you find an amp you love on the Avantgardes, it's heaven!
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    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    I feel that they work with every kind of music, but I’ll defer to others with more experience. I’m so happy with mine that I sold all my JBL speakers and my Studio2 as well. I’m so ecstatic with my Duo XD that they don’t let me think about anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bzr View Post
    "HOUSTON"... We have a problem. The aliens have assimilated Joe.....
    If musical bliss is like being one with the Borg, count me in as assimilated. Whether it’s a 300B, 45, MC275VI, First Watt SIT3 or even Job INTegrated, I’m ecstatic.
    Last edited by joeinid; December 18, 2018 at 08:13 AM.
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    NAD C 658 streamer.

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    Topping D90, RME Audio ADI-2 DAC FS, ModWright Ultimate Sony XA-5400ES.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    I feel that they work with every kind of music, but I’ll defer to others with more experience. I’m so happy with mine that I sold all my JBL speakers and my Studio2 as well. I’m so ecstatic with my Duo XD that they don’t let me think about anything else.
    Picture or it didn’t happen, Joe!

    Wow, thought you’d never part with the JBL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kzhtoo View Post
    Picture or it didn’t happen, Joe!

    Wow, thought you’d never part with the JBL.
    So am I ...... sold my Harbeth M40.1 , Tannoy Canterbury, Maggie’s etc. Done


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul View Post
    So am I ...... sold my Harbeth M40.1 , Tannoy Canterbury, Maggie’s etc. Done


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    lalalala..

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    Quote Originally Posted by kzhtoo View Post
    Hahahaha. Bye bye Magico


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    Re: Today’s Avantgarde Duo XD Install

    I love my Avantgarde's. But I'd be lying if I said they were the end all of speakers.

    There are a thousand different ways to make amazing music in a stereo. And I enjoy each and every one of them.

    Soooo many musical systems, not enough rooms to set up to use them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul View Post
    Hahahaha. Bye bye Magico


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    Re: Today’s Avantgarde Duo XD Install

    Quote Originally Posted by the professor View Post
    I love my Avantgarde's. But I'd be lying if I said they were the end all of speakers.

    There are a thousand different ways to make amazing music in a stereo. And I enjoy each and every one of them.

    Soooo many musical systems, not enough rooms to set up to use them.
    I agree Jock. I hooked up my 4367 before the sale. The guy wanted to make sure everything was working. I had a wonderful couple of days before they were carted off. I was sad to see them go. There are many speakers that make beautiful music. Right now my Duo are filling all my wants/needs but I won’t rule anything out in the future but the Avantgarde are here to stay.
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    Re: Today’s Avantgarde Duo XD Install

    There’s a reason why I keep running into Avantgarde owners who have had their speakers for 10, 12, 15, even 18 years. There are many fabulous speakers, but the Avantgarde’s give you a close to live performance that’s hard to leave for another.

    That being said, you have to work at it. Don’t think you can just plop them in your current system. AG’s like tube amps, copper cables, clean power and a good source. Meaning, your Levinson amps, Nordost cables and Esoteric CD player will not be a good match.

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    Shunyata
    Kubala Sosna
    Luxman MQ-300
    Viva 300b/845
    VAC
    Triode 300b
    Shindo
    AudioNote
    MSB DAC’s
    Lampizator
    Chord DAVE/Blu2 or MScaler
    First Watt SIT-3
    Previous generation McIntosh
    ARC REF160M in Triode mode
    Vinyl
    ...and so on.
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    how much room does an ag trio or duo xd need? or rather, whats the smallest room you think could work? the mental gears are turning!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skanda View Post
    how much room does an ag trio or duo xd need? or rather, whats the smallest room you think could work? the mental gears are turning!
    Minimum:
    Zero TA XD - 10 x 10
    Uno Fino XD - 10 x 12
    Duo XD - 14 x 20
    Duo Mezzo XD - 14 x 20
    Trio XD w/231’s - 16 x 22
    Trio XD w/short bass horns - 17 x 22
    Trio XD w/long bass horns - 18 x 22


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    Re: Today’s Avantgarde Duo XD Install

    Mike,
    With the adjustability built into the XD series, do you think the Duo Mezzos can work in a room that is about 20% smaller than what you mention or will it still be a pretty compromised result?
    Thanks,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Minimum:
    Zero TA XD - 10 x 10
    Uno Fino XD - 10 x 12
    Duo XD - 14 x 20
    Duo Mezzo XD - 14 x 20
    Trio XD w/231’s - 16 x 22
    Trio XD w/short bass horns - 17 x 22
    Trio XD w/long bass horns - 18 x 22


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    Quote Originally Posted by apdoc2004 View Post
    Mike,
    With the adjustability built into the XD series, do you think the Duo Mezzos can work in a room that is about 20% smaller than what you mention or will it still be a pretty compromised result?
    Thanks,
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    Re: Today’s Avantgarde Duo XD Install

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Minimum:
    Zero TA XD - 10 x 10
    Uno Fino XD - 10 x 12
    Duo XD - 14 x 20
    Duo Mezzo XD - 14 x 20
    Trio XD w/231’s - 16 x 22
    Trio XD w/short bass horns - 17 x 22
    Trio XD w/long bass horns - 18 x 22


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    What happen to Uno XD?

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    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    If musical bliss is like being one with the Borg, count me in as assimilated. Whether it’s a 300B, 45, MC275VI, First Watt SIT3 or even Job INTegrated, I’m ecstatic.
    I never thought I'd see the day you wrote such a thing Joe.... congrats & xmas too..

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    Quote Originally Posted by bzr View Post
    I never thought I'd see the day you wrote such a thing Joe.... congrats & xmas too..
    Kev,

    Thank you. I don’t usually play my system loud but if I do, my Duos rattle my windows. When I play at my normal volume, it’s crystal clear, sweet, ballsy, room filling and so right there in front of me like it’s my own concert or studio session.

    The past few nights I’m on my Dennis Had 45 mono amps with a blistering 2wpc. OMG, I’m loving the 45s. Vocals to make me cry. Just awesome.
    Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.

    Job INTegrated. Luxman L-595aSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    Kev,

    Thank you. I don’t usually play my system loud but if I do, my Duos rattle my windows. When I play at my normal volume, it’s crystal clear, sweet, ballsy, room filling and so right there in front of me like it’s my own concert or studio session.

    The past few nights I’m on my Dennis Had 45 mono amps with a blistering 2wpc. OMG, I’m loving the 45s. Vocals to make me cry. Just awesome.
    Joe, since you have a stable of amazing amps, I think you're the best person to answer this question. Do AG's prefer lower wattage delicate amps or do they sing with muscly solid states as well? given that everything i've read suggests the dynamics on horns and ag's in particular are second to none, i would think that something like the JOB, soulution/ch, symphonic line, or burmester would all be excellent on paper as those amps have little to no dynamic constraints - but are they too powerful for the speaker?

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    I think a big part of that answer depends on the music you play. I hope Mike will fill in some of my blanks and I’m not trying to dodge.

    I think Avantgarde’s recommendation is around 20wpc minimum. I think even their own amps are solid state and higher in watts.

    If you play dynamic orchestra music, you need more power. I play singer songwriter and more intimate type music mostly but am otherwise a little varied so my power needs are minimal.

    I have a McIntosh MC452 in rotation and I get the meters to dance but it can get loud. The McIntosh is not as 3D as some of the “so called better” solid state but I love the top end. It’s more tube like.

    I think the quality of amps is more important than ultimate power. I know Mike used 500-1000wpc Constellation and MBL gear. His opinion was very positive.

    I absolutely need and love a softer treble no matter what speakers because of my ears. Aggressive treble becomes painful to me. I guess that’s why I gravitate towards certain gear.

    My instinct tells me anything over 50-100 watts is probably unnecessary but not a detriment. If you love the tone and quality of the amp, that’s fine.

    I’d probably personally pick Dartzeel/Ayre/D’Agostino/Symphonic/Accuphase (think warm, clear and quiet Class A or great AB) over something like Burmester, I have not heard Soulution but could be great, and others.

    If you look at users systems on the Avantgarde website, there’s a huge variety of amps.

    I loved my Naim Supernait2 but personally need to soften the treble a little maybe with a sweeter/softer source. I’m absolutely sure vinyl with all amps would be superb. I guess since I’m all digital at this point, a much better dac or digital front end would top off my system.

    I personally could live with my Job INTegrated on my speakers. Both quality of sound and power are wonderful.

    My MC275VI is awesome too with 90 peak wpc.

    I guess it’s also all about taste. If you love big muscle amps, I’m sure it will work but please keep in mind that horns can act as lenses and magnify the bad as well as the good.

    Some current Avantgarde owners might think my first choice of amps so far might be a little crazy but it’s my First Watt SIT-3 amp. It’s probably 10-20wpc with a resistor across the terminals to bring down my speakers ohm rating. But it’s very laid back (as in middle to back of the hall presentation), smoooooooth, sweet, dead quiet. Absolutely not in your face or upfront. It just suits my kind of music.

    My brother who got me into audio in the first place absolutely flipped over the Luxman MQ300. He said it was the best he’s ever heard my system.
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    thank you for the awesome write up. interesting comment re the burm - i feel like back when i used to lurk and not post you had the 911 monos for some time? i might be remembering.

    i got my brother (also a ny'er) into audio. he's been happy with a single rig: dyn x16 and line magnetic 216 but he loves to come over and let the magicos shake the walls

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    Avantgarde recommends 10 watts. That’s makes the 300b an ideal choice. The Luxman and Viva 300b amps both measure 10 watts (but conservatively spec 8 watts).

    I would encourage anyone interested to read my post regarding amps for AG. Because the speakers are so transparent, you may not like what some solid state amps actually sounds like. LOL.


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    Kev,

    Thank you. I don’t usually play my system loud but if I do, my Duos rattle my windows. When I play at my normal volume, it’s crystal clear, sweet, ballsy, room filling and so right there in front of me like it’s my own concert or studio session.

    The past few nights I’m on my Dennis Had 45 mono amps with a blistering 2wpc. OMG, I’m loving the 45s. Vocals to make me cry. Just awesome.
    Joe,

    you have to change your windows, for modern ones
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skanda View Post
    thank you for the awesome write up. interesting comment re the burm - i feel like back when i used to lurk and not post you had the 911 monos for some time? i might be remembering.

    i got my brother (also a ny'er) into audio. he's been happy with a single rig: dyn x16 and line magnetic 216 but he loves to come over and let the magicos shake the walls
    I did have Burmester 911mk3 stereo then sold that and bought 911mk3 monos. I finally felt that the treble was a little much for me but I can understand why there’s love for the brand.

    I’m sure your system is awesome.
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    Joe,

    you have to change your windows, for modern ones
    Funny you say that, I’d rather buy stereo gear
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    Funny you say that, I’d rather buy stereo gear
    Hi Joe,

    I did own the Duo Mezzo G2 and I must say they are very musical, paired with Avantgarde's own Pre/Power combo. However, I've always heard, read but never own in person, except hearing at the store's their paring with tubes and I must say they are very musical. I am thinking of the smaller Uno XD, something which Mike did advised but because I've already made commitment to the Raidho 3.1, I REGRETFULLY went for that far more expensive speakers where I could paired them with Air Tight now obsoleted ATE2001 Phono/Pre and the then ATM-211. While I have to start enjoying my purchases and not dream too much of this combo (with the newer Air Tight ATC-5 Pre, ATM-300R & their newer Phono Preamp, or a Condo setup), my thinking is, and a suggestion, you should try the SET Tubes way. of course, there are many other great tube amps that may fit your taste.

    In the end, I think tubes the way to partner Avantgarde but then, like Mike had said, great SS can still be singing with them.

    Enjoy the speakers and the search for their "right" partners, its a fantastic journey and a great way to enjoy while doing that! Me? I have stopped, not by choice but for the love of my ears and sanity (too music nagging before sleeping is bad for the mind and head), not that its bad, but a reminder from my better half I had been too wayward in my search for the right combo. Cheers!

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    Thank you Jerry.

    I appreciate what you are saying.

    I do have a 300B SET amp and 45 SET amp but am finding that some of my solid state gear is just as satisfying but in a different way. My overall favorite solid state so far is the First Watt SIT-3 amp. Absolutely love it!
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    Thank you Jerry.

    I appreciate what you are saying.

    I do have a 300B SET amp and 45 SET amp but am finding that some of my solid state gear is just as satisfying but in a different way. My overall favorite solid state so far is the First Watt SIT-3 amp. Absolutely love it!
    Joe, with the SIT-3, have you tried it without the resistors?



    (The resistors are recommended for those running 16/18/19 ohm speakers. The resistors bring the impedance down to around 8ohms (8.18 in my case with a 15ohm resistor). The SIT-3 likes to see an 8ohm load.


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    I have not. I went straight to a 12 ohm resistor that brings me down to approx 7.2 ohms and love what I hear.
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    My main amp is Kondo but this Finale amp at 4 watts is actually more than enough juice to fill my room (14x23 ) without sweat ( I do play lot of big complex music as well )also tried the Audio Note 2A3 with 2 watts. No problemo . I even like to try with 45 amps some day well now I’m waiting my Accuphase E650 to arrive. Let’s see how that baby sound like.






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    Congrats Paul, the local guys make really good looking amps.
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    Congrats Paul, the local guys make really good looking amps.
    Thanks Jack. He really does and I’m quite surprised by its sound and build quality plus it’s dead quiet. I tried many tube amps and lot of them have either hum or hissing noise but so far either my Kondo or Finale are just quiet as any other SS amps. Very satisfied.


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    Congratulations Paul, all great choices.
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