Welcome to the AudioShark Forums.
Results 1 to 15 of 15
  1. #1
    Audioshark
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    28,088

    New Avantgarde’s

    My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481

    "We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."

    Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Avantgarde Acoustics, Avid HiFi, Bakoon Audio, Berkeley Audio Design, Block Audio, Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Chord, Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, FirstWatt, Focal Headphones, Franco Serblin Loudspeakers, Furutech, Fyne Audio Loudspeakers, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Koetsu Cartridges, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Naim Audio, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, SimAudio, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, Vivid Audio Loudspeakers, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.

    https://suncoastaudio.com/
    Phone: 941-932-0282
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/

  2. #2
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2020
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    284

    Re: New Avantgarde’s

    Thanks for posting Terry Ellis's discussions with Holger of Avantgarde.

    By coincidence I wrote to Terry about tuning my Duo XDs whilst he was visiting the AG facility. I was unaware that AG was moving towards Active speakers with streamer facilities built in. Although not mentioned, AG also build in-room correction into their bass amps, so we can expect something on the lines of a very up-market Dutch & Dutch system with their Generation 3 speakers. I'm sure it's the way many top speaker builders will be going over the next decade.

    Unfortunately (from my point of view) Terry is a Dirac specialist engineer and tuner. Although he took a look at AG's XD software, he still would prefer to use Dirac to improve my Duo's performance. I've lost enthusiasm in all room correction systems that are built into full-range amps, such as Dirac Live (in my NAD), RoomPerfect (in Lyngdorf) and MARS (in Micromega), as they all require the ENTIRE full-range signal to go through an extra stage of processing and consequently the sparkle in the top end (one of the reasons we buy Avantgarde systems) is slightly tempered as a result. For this reason, I'd much prefer to use XD to adjust the bass response of the Duos as this involves SOLELY the bass signal to be processed. I'm hoping to get some meaningful measurements of my speakers' performance in my own room in the next couple of weeks, so I can use XD to make the adjustments required without any loss of top-end sparkle. Peter
    Sources - NAD M50.2 (streamer, CD player, CD ripper, hard drive music store)
    Amplification - NAD M33, NAD M12, Consonance Cyber 845 monoblocs (now sold)
    Speakers - Avantgarde Duo XD, Avantgarde Duo (2006) - both aesthetically modified, Martin Logan Expression 13A (now sold)

  3. #3
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Location
    Tampa
    Posts
    1,619

    Re: New Avantgarde’s

    Very cool, A/B instant switch between passive and fully active SS.
    Wait...

  4. #4
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Location
    Naples, FL
    Posts
    498

    Re: New Avantgarde’s

    Great to see how Avantgarde continues to evolve their horn speaker designs.
    Buddy

  5. #5
    Audioshark
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    28,088

    Re: New Avantgarde’s

    Quote Originally Posted by Audio 1 View Post
    Great to see how Avantgarde continues to evolve their horn speaker designs.
    Agreed and I love the look of the new Trio’s….just not sure how I feel about all active.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
    My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481

    "We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."

    Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Avantgarde Acoustics, Avid HiFi, Bakoon Audio, Berkeley Audio Design, Block Audio, Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Chord, Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, FirstWatt, Focal Headphones, Franco Serblin Loudspeakers, Furutech, Fyne Audio Loudspeakers, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Koetsu Cartridges, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Naim Audio, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, SimAudio, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, Vivid Audio Loudspeakers, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.

    https://suncoastaudio.com/
    Phone: 941-932-0282
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/

  6. #6
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Location
    Naples, FL
    Posts
    498

    Re: New Avantgarde’s

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Agreed and I love the look of the new Trio’s….just not sure how I feel about all active.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
    I love the look too, but seems like tubes still need to be in the equation for my taste.
    At least they offer a passive or an active option.
    Buddy

  7. #7
    Audioshark
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    28,088

    Re: New Avantgarde’s

    Quote Originally Posted by Audio 1 View Post
    I love the look too, but seems like tubes still need to be in the equation for my taste.
    At least they offer a passive or an active option.
    I prefer tubes to any SS on the AG. Admittedly, they can do some interesting things when the speakers are active, so I’ll reserve judgement until I hear them.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
    My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481

    "We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."

    Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Avantgarde Acoustics, Avid HiFi, Bakoon Audio, Berkeley Audio Design, Block Audio, Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Chord, Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, FirstWatt, Focal Headphones, Franco Serblin Loudspeakers, Furutech, Fyne Audio Loudspeakers, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Koetsu Cartridges, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Naim Audio, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, SimAudio, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, Vivid Audio Loudspeakers, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.

    https://suncoastaudio.com/
    Phone: 941-932-0282
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/

  8. #8
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Location
    Naples, FL
    Posts
    498

    Re: New Avantgarde’s

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    I prefer tubes to any SS on the AG. Admittedly, they can do some interesting things when the speakers are active, so I’ll reserve judgement until I hear them.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
    Will be interesting to see how the new design and technologies trickle down to other models.
    Buddy

  9. #9
    Audioshark
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    28,088

    Re: New Avantgarde’s

    Quote Originally Posted by Audio 1 View Post
    Will be interesting to see how the new design and technologies trickle down to other models.
    I would guess they will all get the new treatment. Exciting!


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
    My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481

    "We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."

    Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Avantgarde Acoustics, Avid HiFi, Bakoon Audio, Berkeley Audio Design, Block Audio, Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Chord, Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, FirstWatt, Focal Headphones, Franco Serblin Loudspeakers, Furutech, Fyne Audio Loudspeakers, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Koetsu Cartridges, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Naim Audio, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, SimAudio, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, Vivid Audio Loudspeakers, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.

    https://suncoastaudio.com/
    Phone: 941-932-0282
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/

  10. #10

    Re: New Avantgarde’s

    AG: Active amplification with DSP… the future is now!

  11. #11
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2020
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    284

    Re: New Avantgarde’s

    Quote Originally Posted by Audio 1 View Post
    Great to see how Avantgarde continues to evolve their horn speaker designs.
    In some ways yes, in others perhaps no! Avantgarde started building their 3 basic designs Trio, Duo and Uno in the last 1990s, yet they've never changed their horns' design, material or dimensions even up to the new G3 series. The only change (as far as I can detect) is that the horns are now screwed into their enclosures rather than being bolted in. Is it just by careful design 25 years ago that Holger got these dimemsions and designs spot on in the first place (despite not previously being a speaker designer) and finds there is no need to change the horns over these decades? The enclosures, drivers and amps have been changed, often quite significantly but never the horns themselves. OK I'm wrong - the Uno's mid horn has shrunk a little but that's all. Just curious. Peter
    Sources - NAD M50.2 (streamer, CD player, CD ripper, hard drive music store)
    Amplification - NAD M33, NAD M12, Consonance Cyber 845 monoblocs (now sold)
    Speakers - Avantgarde Duo XD, Avantgarde Duo (2006) - both aesthetically modified, Martin Logan Expression 13A (now sold)

  12. #12
    Audioshark
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    28,088

    Re: New Avantgarde’s

    Quote Originally Posted by Hear Here View Post
    In some ways yes, in others perhaps no! Avantgarde started building their 3 basic designs Trio, Duo and Uno in the last 1990s, yet they've never changed their horns' design, material or dimensions even up to the new G3 series. The only change (as far as I can detect) is that the horns are now screwed into their enclosures rather than being bolted in. Is it just by careful design 25 years ago that Holger got these dimemsions and designs spot on in the first place (despite not previously being a speaker designer) and finds there is no need to change the horns over these decades? The enclosures, drivers and amps have been changed, often quite significantly but never the horns themselves. OK I'm wrong - the Uno's mid horn has shrunk a little but that's all. Just curious. Peter
    Peter, as he explains in the video, they haven’t changed that because it’s “physics”.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
    My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481

    "We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."

    Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Avantgarde Acoustics, Avid HiFi, Bakoon Audio, Berkeley Audio Design, Block Audio, Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Chord, Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, FirstWatt, Focal Headphones, Franco Serblin Loudspeakers, Furutech, Fyne Audio Loudspeakers, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Koetsu Cartridges, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Naim Audio, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, SimAudio, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, Vivid Audio Loudspeakers, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.

    https://suncoastaudio.com/
    Phone: 941-932-0282
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/

  13. #13
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2020
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    284

    Re: New Avantgarde’s

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Peter, as he explains in the video, they haven’t changed that because it’s “physics”.
    Ha-ha! As Cristine Keeler would say "He would say that, wouln't he".

    If "physics" was so clear, then every horn speaker would have the same horn design as Avantgarde.
    Sources - NAD M50.2 (streamer, CD player, CD ripper, hard drive music store)
    Amplification - NAD M33, NAD M12, Consonance Cyber 845 monoblocs (now sold)
    Speakers - Avantgarde Duo XD, Avantgarde Duo (2006) - both aesthetically modified, Martin Logan Expression 13A (now sold)

  14. #14
    Audioshark
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    28,088

    Re: New Avantgarde’s

    Quote Originally Posted by Hear Here View Post
    Ha-ha! As Cristine Keeler would say "He would say that, wouln't he".

    If "physics" was so clear, then every horn speaker would have the same horn design as Avantgarde.
    Unless they are changing the shape of the horn or the frequency, it won’t change. You think they would go to a JBL horn?


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
    My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481

    "We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."

    Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Avantgarde Acoustics, Avid HiFi, Bakoon Audio, Berkeley Audio Design, Block Audio, Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Chord, Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, FirstWatt, Focal Headphones, Franco Serblin Loudspeakers, Furutech, Fyne Audio Loudspeakers, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Koetsu Cartridges, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Naim Audio, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, SimAudio, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, Vivid Audio Loudspeakers, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.

    https://suncoastaudio.com/
    Phone: 941-932-0282
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/

  15. #15
    Audioshark
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    28,088

    Re: New Avantgarde’s

    https://www.grc.com/acoustics/an-int...orn-theory.pdf


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
    My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481

    "We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."

    Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Avantgarde Acoustics, Avid HiFi, Bakoon Audio, Berkeley Audio Design, Block Audio, Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Chord, Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, FirstWatt, Focal Headphones, Franco Serblin Loudspeakers, Furutech, Fyne Audio Loudspeakers, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Koetsu Cartridges, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Naim Audio, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, SimAudio, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, Vivid Audio Loudspeakers, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.

    https://suncoastaudio.com/
    Phone: 941-932-0282
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/

AudioShark - The Best High End Audio Discussion forum.

AudioShark forum is a leading forum site for High End Audio Discussion, Stereo System Discussion, Home Theater System Discussion, Best Home Stereo System Discussion, Home Theater Installation Discussion etc.

The AudioShark forum was created for sharing the passion of high-end Audio. We have Audiophiles from all over the world participating and sharing their knowledge. From novice to experts, you will find a friendly environment for discussing about High End Audio, Stereo System, Home Theater System, Home Stereo System, Home Theater Installation, Amplifiers, Speakers, Subwoofers, Integrated System, Acoustic treatments & Digital Room Corrections and many more.

At AudioShark, we also have incorporated an exciting Marketplace where members can peruse terrific buys on used gear, as well as meet dealers and discuss the purchase of new gear.

We are as crazy about this hobby as you are! So come on in and join us! Audioshark.org the Friendliest Audio Forum!

Industry Participation Disclosure : The owner and administrator of Audioshark is the owner of Suncoast Audio LLC in Sarasota Florida. Suncoast Audio has a full brick and mortar presence in Sarasota with several great show rooms with many world class brands. More information can be found at http://www.suncoastaudio.com

Audioshark is a community of like minded individuals. Audioshark welcomes participation from all manufacturers and owners of all brands and products. It is our belief that online forums provide a community of like minded audiophiles and music lovers to encourage the growth of this wonderful hobby.

Sincerely,
The Audioshark.org Team


Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •