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    Avantgarde Acoustic UNO XD: Faultless Furnishing

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    Thx for posting. Excellent review.
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    Re: Avantgarde Acoustic UNO XD: Faultless Furnishing

    A great review of the latest Uno speaker and surprising that it measures as well as is suggested - many horns sound wonderful but measure mediocre. Also great to see decent photos of this speaker - far better than you ever see in Stereophile or for that matter Avantgarde's own site. Thanks for posting.

    I might have been tempted by that Uno but went for the Duo XD despite its cumbersome and rather dated "scaffold poles" that still support the mid horn. These have now gone from my own Duos, replaced by a cradle rather similar to that on the Mezzo. I'll post about my mods soon. Peter
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    My Duo are probably a little bit too big for my room. Those Unos look awesome. I usually tend to go overboard on my choices. I’d love to hear these.
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    Re: Avantgarde Acoustic UNO XD: Faultless Furnishing

    Hi Joe - I know what you mean about the Duos being a little too big, but this appearance of "bigness" is rather related to its width in my view. Without the supporting poles and with the base frame rotated 90 degrees the Duo looks little "bigger" than its athletic sibling Uno. Here's a preview photo of my post-diet Duos!

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    My room is 16x15 and they fill the space wonderfully. The XD bass management and integration did the job in my challenged space.
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    Wow! When looked at from that perspective, they look very close in size. Very interesting. Thank you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hear Here View Post
    Hi Joe - I know what you mean about the Duos being a little too big, but this appearance of "bigness" is rather related to its width in my view. Without the supporting poles and with the base frame rotated 90 degrees the Duo looks little "bigger" than its athletic sibling Uno. Here's a preview photo of my post-diet Duos!

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    Re: Avantgarde Acoustic UNO XD: Faultless Furnishing

    Absolutely beautiful setup. That looks amazing.


    Quote Originally Posted by Etunes View Post
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    Love the look! Peter how was this achieved? I notice a smaller base plate and the colored panels slightly lowered.
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    Looking great!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Etunes View Post
    Love the look! Peter how was this achieved? I notice a smaller base plate and the colored panels slightly lowered.
    I'll post more of what I've done later but the base frame is simply rotated 90 degrees and the main enclosure now sits directly onto the frame, rather than straddling it and "hovering" above it. I had simple supports made by a local engineer that support the mid horn tubes. This is done in such a way as to minimise vibration between the main enclosure and the mid horn (unlike the way it's built by AG) achieved by using Sorbothane between the supports and subs and also between the supports and the tubes. No damage whatsover to the speakers and easily restored if required.

    The trouble with current Duos is that they are just too tall for most listening seats if one follows AG's advice that the top of the sub enclosure should be just visible. I didn't want to tilt them so lowering the sub onto the frame saves a cm and a few more by using low footers rather than spikes. I did a similar job of "ditching the scafforlding" with my earlier Duo G2s. Peter
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    Re: Avantgarde Acoustic UNO XD: Faultless Furnishing

    The Duos are *much* bigger than the Unos in person. I love the AG look now.
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    Re: Avantgarde Acoustic UNO XD: Faultless Furnishing

    Until quite recently the Unos and Duos differed visually only by the larger diameter mid-horn. Both the horn and the enclosure were larger diameters but the sub was identical and the top horn was visually and dimentionally identical.

    Since the introduction of the Duo Grosso with its twin 12" drivers, the bass enclosure has become wider to accommodate the larger drivers. Unfortunately since then, Duos have grown in height by over 5 inches - they've added the fancy base frame, have raised the speaker above this base and have changed the spikes for the magnificent ones on the current XD. All this has significantly raised the height which has resulted in the need to tilt forward for most installations. I think, when changing from twin 10" to 12" bass drivers they should not have reduced the depth as much as they did, so the enclosure could have been less tall for the same internal volume. The old Duos had an enclosure of 55 cm depth (excluding trim), the current one is just 41 cm deep. However the latest ones do sound better!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Etunes View Post
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    The XD bass management and integration did the job in my challenged space.
    It is surprising how many folks are against the use of DSP to improve the sound of their systems, yet Avantgarde, and other speaker manufacturers, rely on DSP to get the best sound from their speakers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicoff View Post
    It is surprising how many folks are against the use of DSP to improve the sound of their systems, yet Avantgarde, and other speaker manufacturers, rely on DSP to get the best sound from their speakers.
    I've not really got to grips with XD software yet, but as I understand it, it is not an extra processing stage, more a tone adjustment system and therefore shouldn't spoil the life and sparkle of Avantgardes. So, I plan to use Dirac to measure but XD to adjust. Certainly I prefer Dirac filters off.
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    Yep and to top it all off I’m an analog guy. Go figure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    My Duo are probably a little bit too big for my room. Those Unos look awesome. I usually tend to go overboard on my choices. I’d love to hear these.
    I think you're right. The UNO XD and UNO Fino XD (which I own) are probably perfect for the majority of domestic living spaces. The Duos, Duo Mezzos and the like need a large dedicated room to strut their stuff, IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by puroagave View Post
    I think you're right. The UNO XD and UNO Fino XD (which I own) are probably perfect for the majority of domestic living spaces. The Duos, Duo Mezzos and the like need a large dedicated room to strut their stuff, IMHO.
    I agree. I had Unos between 2002 and 2019 by which time I'd moved from a listening room of about 320 sq ft to one of 945 sq ft. I wanted to upgrade and thought that Martin Logan 13As would be good, although their location in the room was not to their liking, so I put them for sale and found a pair of 2006 vintage Duo that suit the bigger room rather better. Last year I further upgraded to Duo XDs. These would probably have been too big for my London flat but these (or even Mezzos) are happy in my new home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Etunes View Post
    Yep and to top it all off I’m an analog guy. Go figure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hear Here View Post
    I've not really got to grips with XD software yet, but as I understand it, it is not an extra processing stage, more a tone adjustment system and therefore shouldn't spoil the life and sparkle of Avantgardes. So, I plan to use Dirac to measure but XD to adjust. Certainly I prefer Dirac filters off.
    It’s never really been highlighted by AG but it is an analog to digital conversion, DSP-ed, followed by a digital to analog conversion.

    But only for bass / signals fed to the powered woofers.

    Similar to what AG uses for the Zero XD but more sophisticated and powerful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicoludio View Post
    It’s never really been highlighted by AG but it is an analog to digital conversion, DSP-ed, followed by a digital to analog conversion.

    But only for bass / signals fed to the powered woofers.

    Similar to what AG uses for the Zero XD but more sophisticated and powerful.
    I had assumed that this may be the case, but I believe with XD (unlike most other DSPs) the signal has no additional processing in its path resulting from XD. In other words, the signal for the bass is ALWAYS converted twice whether XD is adjusted not Do you think I'm right in this assumption?

    I assume also that the signal for the bass section is always first digitised, then a digital crossover weeds out the higher frequencies and the bass is manipulated as set by XD before being converted back to analogue. This seems to be the case as one can choose the crossover type (Bessel, Butterworth, etc) and its slope which couldn't be done in an analogue XO. It also means that there should be zero deterioration of the signal. Peter
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hear Here View Post
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    I assume also that the signal for the bass section is always first digitised, then a digital crossover weeds out the higher frequencies and the bass is manipulated as set by XD before being converted back to analogue. This seems to be the case as one can choose the crossover type (Bessel, Butterworth, etc) and its slope which couldn't be done in an analogue XO. It also means that there should be zero deterioration of the signal. Peter
    From what I have read, my assumption is that the entire analog signal is being digitized internally (ADC). Then DSP is applied to a portion of that digital data (the lower frequencies). The digital data is then converted back to analog.

    There is a paradox here in my view. Some purist would consider anathema to mess around with the analog signal that they have carefully generated using a fancy turntable and cartridge, an expensive preamp, plus cables/interconnects and other equipment. Yet here is a top notch speaker company that has successfully altered that fully analog signal by first converting it to digital, then applying DSP and converting it back to analog. The result being an improvement in the sound heard by the listeners. There are many ways to skin a cat, and this example reinforces my view that when used judiciously today's digital tools allow the listener to affordably improve the quality of the sound in ways that were not possible before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicoff View Post
    From what I have read, my assumption is that the entire analog signal is being digitized internally (ADC). Then DSP is applied to a portion of that digital data (the lower frequencies). The digital data is then converted back to analog.

    There is a paradox here in my view. Some purist would consider anathema to mess around with the analog signal that they have carefully generated using a fancy turntable and cartridge, an expensive preamp, plus cables/interconnects and other equipment. Yet here is a top notch speaker company that has successfully altered that fully analog signal by first converting it to digital, then applying DSP and converting it back to analog. The result being an improvement in the sound heard by the listeners. There are many ways to skin a cat, and this example reinforces my view that when used judiciously today's digital tools allow the listener to affordably improve the quality of the sound in ways that were not possible before.
    I don't think the top and mid frequency sections are digitiesed - only the bass that is digitised, amplified with a digital amp, converted to analogue and sent to the bass drivers. I'm confident in that belief because the speaker cable goes to the mid horn and there's certainly no DAC / ADC there to manipulate the sound. Likewise I'm sure the top end is not digitised. It's only the bass that is digitised so those who shudder at the mention of digitising shold rest easy! Peter
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    Quote Originally Posted by nicoff View Post
    From what I have read, my assumption is that the entire analog signal is being digitized internally (ADC). Then DSP is applied to a portion of that digital data (the lower frequencies). The digital data is then converted back to analog.

    There is a paradox here in my view. Some purist would consider anathema to mess around with the analog signal that they have carefully generated using a fancy turntable and cartridge, an expensive preamp, plus cables/interconnects and other equipment. Yet here is a top notch speaker company that has successfully altered that fully analog signal by first converting it to digital, then applying DSP and converting it back to analog. The result being an improvement in the sound heard by the listeners. There are many ways to skin a cat, and this example reinforces my view that when used judiciously today's digital tools allow the listener to affordably improve the quality of the sound in ways that were not possible before.
    Your assertion is incorrect. The main horn and treble horn are direct connected to the amp output and never gets near a digital meat grinder. The low bass input takes the signal at a high level (from power amp). That signal passes through an A/D to D/A conversion for the DSP. Depending on model the XD series has a built in 500-1000 w class-d amp driving the bass woofers.

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    And the cats don’t like any of them.
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