What will happen with the classic cars after the internal combustion engines are banned?

**TheOctopus** · March 31, 2021, 04:11 PM

Interesting question indeed. What happens when petrol cars are banned and the gas stations eventually disappear?

Interesting video and discussion speculating on the near future changes of things going ICE to EV and the collector market/classic cars.

Will the 2030 ban & dash to electric cars spell the end for classics in UK? - YouTube

**Shadowfax** · March 31, 2021, 04:17 PM

From what I heard, they are making electric versions but adding real engine sound effects

**TheOctopus** · March 31, 2021, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Shadowfax

From what I heard, they are making electric versions but adding real engine sound effects

Yes. Indeed they are... "Sometimes silence can be deafening"..

**Mikado463** · March 31, 2021, 05:12 PM

I suspect I'll be dead and gone......

I don't see all electric taking over for some time.....

**TheOctopus** · March 31, 2021, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Mikado463

I suspect I'll dead and gone......

The ride in the E-Hearse will be "electrifying"... A bit of "dark" humor in this age of light and enlightenment LOL...

Have faith in yourself, live long and prosper.

**Mikado463** · March 31, 2021, 08:20 PM

Serge, I have plenty of faith in myself I just don't see an infrastructure in place in the next ten years to 'transform' from gas/diesel to electric. 15-20 years.......maybe, at which point I'll be 85-90 (if still breathing) and won't really give a rats rear end !

**TheOctopus** · March 31, 2021, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by Mikado463

Serge, I have plenty of faith in myself I just don't see an infrastructure in place in the next ten years to 'transform' from gas/diesel to electric. 15-20 years.......maybe, at which point I'll be 85-90 (if still breathing) and won't really give a rats rear end !

Dave, I think with the billions of dollars we have now allocated for the "green energy" things will start to unravel quickly. Or not... In any case, no one asked us for our opinion but we will surely pay for it in the end. Every each one of us.

**TheOctopus** · March 31, 2021, 08:45 PM

Actually it is trillions of dollars not billions... my bad. What does a trillion dollars look like by the way? Well, it is a stack to the moon and back four times. That's only one trillion.... Our debt is 28 trillion.

**Big B** · April 1, 2021, 02:14 AM

I look forward to the electric car world. I believe if it was not for the petroleum industry this would have happened a long time ago. I also expect the electric card industry will unfold quite rapidly. Within 2 years every car manufacturer will offer a hybrid or fully electric car in their product line. The consumer demand will be enormous. The infrastructure will follow rapidly there after. My guess within 5 years you will see infrastructure in place not fully but enough to know gasoline days are not going to be the norm any more.

**astrotoy** · April 1, 2021, 03:05 AM

Most likely, states will allow classic cars, probably with special license plates. For example, old classic cars don't normally meet modern smog requirements, but they get special licenses to allow them to be driven. Don't think they can be used as daily commuter cars, but OK to be taken out on the weekends, etc.

Larry

**Mikado463** · April 1, 2021, 09:11 AM

I'm curious if anybody knows .........

if tomorrow all the petroleum fed vehicles were to be replaced by electric what would the demand be on the grid ? How long is the projection for us (and the world) to be able to meet that demand ?

**TheOctopus** · April 1, 2021, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by Mikado463

I'm curious if anybody knows .........

if tomorrow all the petroleum fed vehicles were to be replaced by electric what would the demand be on the grid ? How long is the projection for us (and the world) to be able to meet that demand ?

It is not possible and it will not be possible anytime soon. Green energy also can not replace or even augment our grids in the US if every car became electric. California alone is a good example of what happens every year as the demand is rising. Texas was a great example of what happens with green energy as the solar panels were covered by a bit of snow and ice and the windmills were never supplied with a "defrost" function...

One picture is worth more than a thousand words out of politician's mouths....

**TheOctopus** · April 1, 2021, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by astrotoy

Most likely, states will allow classic cars, probably with special license plates. For example, old classic cars don't normally meet modern smog requirements, but they get special licenses to allow them to be driven. Don't think they can be used as daily commuter cars, but OK to be taken out on the weekends, etc.

Larry

Filling up may be a bit of a problem since gas stations will not be around waiting for a once a month customer to fill up his 1969 Chevy Nova but they are already starting to ban construction of "gas stations" in some cities on the West Coast. Talk about jumping the gun before solving all the important problems first.

**Mikado463** · April 1, 2021, 11:27 AM

I think my 54 year old Chevy is still good for a few more years.........

**Mike** · April 1, 2021, 01:34 PM

Lots of EV’s coming out, yet they all take a different charging plug?

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**puroagave** · April 1, 2021, 01:55 PM

As long a jet-A is being produced for the airlines (no replacement for avgas/Jet-A is anywhere on the horizon for at least the next 50 yrs) there wont be a shortage of gasoline even past this century, It will be niche like diesel was 40 years ago. I recall our neighbor buried a diesel tank/pump in their yard when diesel Benzes and VWs were gaining popularity in the US but stations that sold diesel were essentially non-existent, this was the late '70s.

**TheOctopus** · April 1, 2021, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

Lots of EV’s coming out, yet they all take a different charging plug?

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Just a few... Should be a piece of cake transitioning to EV cars for the retirees and their electric golf carts...

**Mikado463** · April 1, 2021, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by TheOctopus

Just a few... Should be a piece of cake transitioning to EV cars for the retirees and their electric golf carts...

Serge, funny you should say that. Buddy of mine lives during the winter in Florida in a place called the Villages, the place has gotten so damn big that you can't go between the North end to the South and back without running out of juice !

.............. and it just keeps growing, they are working on their third zip code. I believe population is now over 120k !

**TheOctopus** · April 2, 2021, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by Mikado463

Serge, funny you should say that. Buddy of mine lives during the winter in Florida in a place called the Villages, the place has gotten so damn big that you can't go between the North end to the South and back without running out of juice !

.............. and it just keeps growing, they are working on their third zip code. I believe population is now over 120k !

I've heard and seen videos about that place. It looks like one does not even need a car there. No reason to ever leave...

**W9TR** · April 2, 2021, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by puroagave

As long a jet-A is being produced for the airlines (no replacement for avgas/Jet-A is anywhere on the horizon for at least the next 50 yrs) there wont be a shortage of gasoline even past this century, It will be niche like diesel was 40 years ago. I recall our neighbor buried a diesel tank/pump in their yard when diesel Benzes and VWs were gaining popularity in the US but stations that sold diesel were essentially non-existent, this was the late '70s.

I think this is pretty accurate take on what's going to happen. Still no replacement for 100LL for the GA fleet, and it's widely available. Over time I see fewer stations and more limited distribution which will become more expensive as quantities decrease over time. 100LL is now about $5.50/gal and is refined in miniscule quantities compared with auto gas. So apart from the real danger of government over-reach we'll have petrol for quite some time.

**CPP** · April 2, 2021, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by Mikado463

Serge, funny you should say that. Buddy of mine lives during the winter in Florida in a place called the Villages, the place has gotten so damn big that you can't go between the North end to the South and back without running out of juice !

.............. and it just keeps growing, they are working on their third zip code. I believe population is now over 120k !

Yep know it well. Golf carts everywhere, they even built a overpass many many years ago just to get the carts from one side of 301/441 to the other.

**CPP** · April 2, 2021, 11:29 AM

In Calif the Gov wants to ban petrol cars by 2035. But ! he clarified his position " The executive order won’t ban the resale or use of vehicles powered by internal combustion engines in California, Newsom noted. But it will push into overdrive the state’s efforts to electrify its transportation fleet and expand infrastructure for other zero-emissions vehicles such as fuel-cell-powered vehicles.""

**puroagave** · April 2, 2021, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by CPP

In Calif the Gov wants to ban petrol cars by 2035. But ! he clarified his position " The executive order won’t ban the resale or use of vehicles powered by internal combustion engines in California, Newsom noted. But it will push into overdrive the state’s efforts to electrify its transportation fleet and expand infrastructure for other zero-emissions vehicles such as fuel-cell-powered vehicles.""

The ken doll is being recalled so take it with a grain of salt.

**TheOctopus** · April 2, 2021, 11:46 AM

Approximately half of all flights globally are fewer than 800 kilometers, which is expected to be within the range of battery-powered electric aircraft by 2025.

For the foreseeable future, electric planes will be limited in how far they can travel. Today's best batteries put out far less power by weight than traditional fuels: an energy density of 250 watt-hours per kilogram versus 12,000 watt-hours per kilogram for jet fuel. The batteries required for a given flight are therefore far heavier than standard fuel and take up more space.

Electric Aviation Could Be Closer Than You Think

Electric Aviation Could Be Closer Than You Think - Scientific American.

**CPP** · April 2, 2021, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by puroagave

the ken doll is being recalled so take it with a grain of salt.

lolol, and also poor Mr Potato Head.

**CPP** · April 2, 2021, 01:56 PM

Well the Govt has to better come up with a way to handle 276 million vehicles.

"How many registered motor vehicles are there in the U.S. Some 276 million vehicles were registered here in 2019. The figures include passenger cars, motorcycles, trucks, buses, and other vehicles."" and looking further we can take 5.4 million registered hybrid electric cars since 2019 from that huge total. And pure electric about 1.7 million.

It will be interesting. I think my personal gas powered cars and truck will be safe for a long long time.

**still-one** · April 2, 2021, 02:03 PM

It is highly unlikely I will be alive when and if this becomes an issue. 'C'est la vie

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