Todays C8 ZO6 Reveal .........

**Mikado463** · October 26, 2021, 01:51 PM

For those that missed it ..........

All-New 2023 Corvette Z06: Performance Vehicle | Chevrolet

amazing, 670hp, N/A, flat plane crank ......

**nc42acc** · October 26, 2021, 02:08 PM

Pretty impressive numbers for a naturally aspirated engine. I wasn’t impressed with the initial C8 release but this has me wanting to ditch the C7.

**NorthStar** · October 26, 2021, 04:17 PM

Time to upgrade your old Corvette, along with your old iPhone ...

**NorthStar** · October 26, 2021, 04:25 PM

This new Z06 Vette is all over the places, including right here in Detroit ...

Orange is not my favorite color, and I prefer the luxury model where you can see the engine from the rear window (I would change the inside color though, along with the outside...for blue navy inside and burgundy outside) ... that's me and my car color taste (same for high-end audiophile loudspeakers).

* Is this an electric car?

**Mikado463** · October 26, 2021, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by NorthStar

Time to upgrade your old Corvette, along with your old iPhone ...

Bob, I just updated my cell phone last month as for my old Corvettes, while I am somewhat 'smitten' over the C8 ZO6, I'll keep what I have ........

**Ritmo** · October 26, 2021, 05:17 PM

Great reveal. Really like this new Z06.

I’m told Chevy dealers are asking $50K-$100K over MSRP for it which is a deal breaker as far as I’m concerned. Altho, Porsche dealers are doing the same for the GT3 and GT3 Touring.

**nc42acc** · October 26, 2021, 05:30 PM

Give it a few years and this will go away for a C8 ZO6. Has always been this way for any of the Porsche GT cars. Waiting list or have some great dealer connections might get you one.

Originally Posted by Ritmo

Great reveal. Really like this new Z06.

I’m told Chevy dealers are asking $50K-$100K over MSRP for it which is a deal breaker as far as I’m concerned. Altho, Porsche dealers are doing the same for the GT3 and GT3 Touring.

**Mikado463** · October 26, 2021, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by Ritmo

Great reveal. Really like this new Z06.

I’m told Chevy dealers are asking $50K-$100K over MSRP for it which is a deal breaker as far as I’m concerned. Altho, Porsche dealers are doing the same for the GT3 and GT3 Touring.

only a fool would pay that.........

**nc42acc** · October 26, 2021, 05:53 PM

For a C8 ZO6 absolutely!! For a GT2RS I would pay whatever they asked

Originally Posted by Mikado463

only a fool would pay that.........

**Mike** · October 26, 2021, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by nc42acc

For a C8 ZO6 absolutely!! For a GT2RS I would pay whatever they asked

My client Jim has one and brings it to my store regularly. He also has 9 other 911’s. Even though he has a GT2RS, he said his ‘97 911 993 Carerra S is his favorite.

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**crwilli** · October 26, 2021, 11:40 PM

I am going to pursue a reservation via my NJ dealer. They are not taking them until November 2.

**MDP** · October 27, 2021, 07:50 AM

I have a 2017 C7. It's the best car I've ever owned. I'm on my dealer list for a C8 Z06.......#3.
I'm sure it will be over a year before any cars show up here............and so I wait.

**Mikado463** · October 27, 2021, 10:13 AM

patience is a virtue men !

**TheOctopus** · October 27, 2021, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

My client Jim has one and brings it to my store regularly. He also has 9 other 911’s. Even though he has a GT2RS, he said his ‘97 911 993 Carerra S is his favorite.

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Horses for courses. As a previous owner of various Porsche GT cars and having driven many of the air-cooled predecessors, I would also prefer to drive a 993 on the street as it fits that purpose much better. Driving a super capable car at street legal speeds is boring at best... The 993 feels more alive, mechanical and communicative at anything resembling street sane driving. Better yet a nice condition 964 would be my personal choice of a fun car, which feels even more mechanical and connected to the road with all of its quirky old school charm.

When I had a chance to drive a Carrera GT with its silly (for the street) $15k ceramic composite clutch (replacement cost of unit) which had to be computer assisted for street driving, I was once again reminded why people are willing to pay the crazy premiums for such cars. Of course the other thought was why anyone would want to drive a car such as the Carrera GT on the street at normal speeds is beyond me. Pushing a car like the Carrera GT on the other hand, even in the experienced hands, has led to tragic outcomes for quite a few owners... RIP Paul Walker...

Can't go wrong with a rare Porsche, Ferrari, etc if you can afford it. Corvettes are nice and their day will also come in the decades ahead. Anyone holding on to a manual Z06 at this point would be wise to keep holding... All the manual collector grade cars will be worth more

Yep, a 964 is a fun part of history of a 911 and a great street car.

**crwilli** · October 27, 2021, 06:20 PM

And there is the anticipated wet blanket.

**nc42acc** · October 27, 2021, 06:37 PM

Sign me up for a Singer 911 and I will forget about the C8.

Originally Posted by TheOctopus

Horses for courses. As a previous owner of various Porsche GT cars and having driven many of the air-cooled predecessors, I would also prefer to drive a 993 on the street as it fits that purpose much better. Driving a super capable car at street legal speeds is boring at best... The 993 feels more alive, mechanical and communicative at anything resembling street sane driving. Better yet a nice condition 964 would be my personal choice of a fun car, which feels even more mechanical and connected to the road with all of its quirky old school charm.

When I had a chance to drive a Carrera GT with its silly (for the street) $15k ceramic composite clutch (replacement cost of unit) which had to be computer assisted for street driving, I was once again reminded why people are willing to pay the crazy premiums for such cars. Of course the other thought was why anyone would want to drive a car such as the Carrera GT on the street at normal speeds is beyond me. Pushing a car like the Carrera GT on the other hand, even in the experienced hands, has led to tragic outcomes for quite a few owners... RIP Paul Walker...

Can't go wrong with a rare Porsche, Ferrari, etc if you can afford it. Corvettes are nice and their day will also come in the decades ahead. Anyone holding on to a manual Z06 at this point would be wise to keep holding... All the manual collector grade cars will be worth more

Yep, a 964 is a fun part of history of a 911 and a great street car.

**still-one** · October 27, 2021, 07:33 PM

I have observed these camouflaged Z06's running around the town where I live for some time now. The GM Proving Grounds is located on the other side. Nice ride for lunch runs.

**TheOctopus** · October 27, 2021, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by nc42acc

Sign me up for a Singer 911 and I will forget about the C8.

Technically one can buy 10 Z06’s for one Singer 911 but we are talking about two totally different worlds…

**TheOctopus** · October 27, 2021, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by crwilli

And there is the anticipated wet blanket.

That wasn’t a wet blanket. A wet blanket is a reminder it would not be wise to buy a first year product.

I made that mistake twice in my life with Corvettes and a Z06 (2001) and have to say never again for me. Could not even find a local corvette certified mechanic between 7 Chevy dealerships in those years. Absurd… The only time that car did not have a problem was on its maiden voyage from FC Kerbeck to the house.

Still I bought my son a C6 years later again to regret it… problems and piss poor resale value.

Having your friend show off his brand new C7 Corvette a few years later and have the whole weather stripping fall off the rear hatch as he opened it for me and then having to bring a car in and threaten to sue because the factory somehow let the car out with a totally dry diff was the icing on a cake.

But I digress, when things are going good, it’s a great value performance car.

**nc42acc** · October 28, 2021, 08:53 AM

Serge in forum world I have the same access to a Singer as I do a Toyota Corolla. Let a guy dream ok.

Originally Posted by TheOctopus

Technically one can buy 10 Z06’s for one Singer 911 but we are talking about two totally different worlds…

**Mikado463** · October 28, 2021, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by TheOctopus

That wasn’t a wet blanket. A wet blanket is a reminder it would not be wise to buy a first year product.

I made that mistake twice in my life with Corvettes and a Z06 (2001) and have to say never again for me.

curious Serge, what was the issue with the '01 ZO6 ?

**TheOctopus** · October 28, 2021, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by nc42acc

Serge in forum world I have the same access to a Singer as I do a Toyota Corolla. Let a guy dream ok.

Indeed. Dare to dream! That actually reminded me of a great Porsche commercial from a decade or so ago..

**TheOctopus** · October 28, 2021, 12:13 PM

Dave, the well known problem of excessive oil consumption with the LS6 engine as well as all kinds of ECU glitches, traction control, active handling, etc.. The engine also seemed very anemic to me from day one. Just not what I excepted a Z06 should be power wise and I am sure that engine was not up to its full potential...

Problem was I could not even find a Corvette certified mechanic as they were as rare as unicorns for some strange reason! Chevy dealers that sold Corvettes and yet could not service them! Absurd. I am sure it is different now.

I finally had enough when the side passenger window would not go back up as it started to rain and I had to find a shelter from the pouring rain instead of making a business meeting... In a bout of total frustration and outrage over the crap ownership experience I have unleashed on myself with that purchase, I took that car to the first car dealer on the way (BMW) and drove away in a brand new 2002 M3. That turned out to be a fantastic ride which I kept for some years. That E46 gen M3 with the S54 straight-six engine felt quicker and more planted with a better sorted out suspension tuning than the Z06.

I don't dislike Corvettes overall, I have owned a "few". Just never been lucky with them.

**Mikado463** · October 28, 2021, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by TheOctopus

Dave, the well known problem of excessive oil consumption with the LS6 engine as well as all kinds of ECU glitches, traction control, active handling, etc.. The engine also seemed very anemic to me from day one. Just not what I excepted a Z06 should be power wise and I am sure that engine was not up to its full potential...

Problem was I could not even find a Corvette certified mechanic as they were as rare as unicorns for some strange reason! Chevy dealers that sold Corvettes and yet could not service them! Absurd. I am sure it is different now.

I finally had enough when the side passenger window would not go back up as it started to rain and I had to find a shelter from the pouring rain instead of making a business meeting... In a bout of total frustration and outrage over the crap ownership experience I have unleashed on myself with that purchase, I took that car to the first car dealer on the way (BMW) and drove away in a brand new 2002 M3. That turned out to be a fantastic ride which I kept for some years. That E46 gen M3 with the S54 straight-six engine felt quicker and more planted with a better sorted out suspension tuning than the Z06.

I don't dislike Corvettes overall, I have owned a "few". Just never been lucky with them.

Bummer Serge, I understand. I've owned 7 over the past 45 years and I must say my '02 ZO6 is and has been a great car.

**TheOctopus** · October 28, 2021, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by Mikado463

Bummer Serge, I understand. I've owned 7 over the past 45 years and I must say my '02 ZO6 is and has been a great car.

Dave, some of the issues in the 2001 were addressed with the 2002 model. Not to mention in one year’s time, GM updated the 2002 model. LS6 engine output was increased to 405 hp (302 kW) due to a larger CFM air intake, stiffer valve springs, lighter sodium filled valves and more aggressive camshaft lift and timing. I bet yours drives much closer to a deserving Z06 spec than mine ever did.

I’m glad you are enjoying your Z06. Hold on to it

**Mikado463** · October 28, 2021, 01:55 PM

yes and some of the later production '02's and early '03's did in fact have valve issues as did a group of C6 ZO6's.

I do believe the C8 ZO6 will be GM's last great development in ICE technology

**Mike** · October 28, 2021, 01:59 PM

2023 Chevy Corvette C8 Z06: Here's a Thorough Tour of this Beast! - YouTube

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**TheOctopus** · October 29, 2021, 03:14 PM

**Mikado463** · October 29, 2021, 03:22 PM

But Serge, that ZO6 does not look like a 'flat plane crank' to me ........

**TheOctopus** · October 29, 2021, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by Mikado463

But Serge, that ZO6 does not look like a 'flat plane crank' to me ........

Someone overinflated the tires?

Or is that the RIGHT pressure for Z06?

**Mikado463** · October 29, 2021, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by TheOctopus

Someone overinflated the tires?

Or is that the RIGHT pressure for Z06?

tire pressure is good, I didn't know they went back to 'pop up' headlights !

years back when my Dad was alive and being an old railroader he had a saying, 'high drivers' (it's a railroad term)

**TheOctopus** · October 29, 2021, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by Mikado463

tire pressure is good, I didn't know they went back to 'pop up' headlights !

years back when my Dad was alive and being an old railroader he had a saying, 'high drivers' (it's a railroad term)

Haha, good one Dave!

**Kingsrule** · October 29, 2021, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by Mikado463

But Serge, that ZO6 does not look like a 'flat plane crank' to me ........

Roller bearings.....

**KeithR** · October 29, 2021, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

My client Jim has one and brings it to my store regularly. He also has 9 other 911’s. Even though he has a GT2RS, he said his ‘97 911 993 Carerra S is his favorite.

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Last of the air cooleds… the 1997 S is a very rare bird.

**TheOctopus** · October 29, 2021, 09:33 PM

Where it all began. 1963 Corvette Split Window Coupe with the RPO Z06 package.

**Mikado463** · October 30, 2021, 09:14 AM

a little more info on the motor ..........

13 details to know about the Z06's 670-hp LT6 V-8 - Hagerty Media

**nc42acc** · October 30, 2021, 10:24 AM

I am just as excited as all the other car guys but do we really think GM can make a “RELIABLE’” engine as complicated as this? Not to mention finding a dealer who could actually work on it when something fails. Sorry got up on the pessimist side of the bed this morning.

**TheOctopus** · October 30, 2021, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by nc42acc

I am just as excited as all the other car guys but do we really think GM can make a “RELIABLE’” engine as complicated as this? Not to mention finding a dealer who could actually work on it when something fails. Sorry got up on the pessimist side of the bed this morning.

I have run into this issue some 20 years back, I don't know what the current situation is but I would imagine Corvette certified mechanics are more plentiful today.

**Mikado463** · October 30, 2021, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by nc42acc

I am just as excited as all the other car guys but do we really think GM can make a “RELIABLE’” engine as complicated as this? Not to mention finding a dealer who could actually work on it when something fails. Sorry got up on the pessimist side of the bed this morning.

Yeah I get that and to Serge's point on his ZO6 twenty years ago there is no doubt it will be a point of concern. But as a guy who's been accused of having a 'Bow Tie' tattooed on his backside I'm taking a leap of faith that the company that introduced one of the best V8 engines of all time some 66 years ago will make their crowning achievement of ICE technology a great one, time will tell ..........

**puroagave** · October 30, 2021, 02:00 PM

the LT6's reliability remains to be seen but it will be a maintenance headache with a solid valvetrain. where most American iron use hydraulic valve lash adjusters, the LT6 uses valve caps and computer ground shims--another reason each LT6 is built by one person. Valve shims means more frequent and costly maintenance intervals (mostly labor). Unless GM has cracked the code on halving the necessary man hours to adjust the new valvetrain, me thinks the new Z06 will be costly to maintain.

**nc42acc** · October 30, 2021, 02:40 PM

Don’t get me started on the GM hydraulic cylinder on demand lifters. I have had two catastrophic failures luckily both were covered under warranty. I welcome the solid valvetrain.

Originally Posted by puroagave

the LT6's reliability remains to be seen but it will be a maintenance headache with a solid valvetrain. where most American iron use hydraulic valve lash adjusters, the LT6 uses valve caps and computer ground shims--another reason each LT6 is built by one person. Valve shims means more frequent and costly maintenance intervals (mostly labor). Unless GM has cracked the code on halving the necessary man hours to adjust the new valvetrain, me thinks the new Z06 will be costly to maintain.

**crwilli** · October 30, 2021, 10:03 PM

Even after I submit my name for a reservation next week, it is likely that at best, I will get a second year car. I am going to get one as long as the MSRP doesn’t skyrocket. My dealer will sell at MSRP but it might be beyond my desires. Too early to tell.

I am not worried about Corvette mechanics, first year issues at all. I have an umbrella for all the rain falling here.

**SCAudiophile** · October 31, 2021, 05:57 PM

I find myself wondering why are people talking about Porsche on a Corvette thread and why are people throwing wet blankets on others' enthusiasm for Vettes?

Also problems 10-20 years ago with a car have NOTHING to do with a manufacturer's build quality today or else the conversation could get a lot longer on both sides
of the Atlantic.

**nc42acc** · October 31, 2021, 06:06 PM

Car guys will be car guys, GM or Porsche. My three Porsche are gone and now I just have the C7 Grand Sport as my only sports car. Go figure.

Originally Posted by SCAudiophile

I find myself wondering why are people talking about Porsche on a Corvette thread and why are people throwing wet blankets on others' enthusiasm for Vettes?

Also problems 10-20 years ago with a car have NOTHING to do with a manufacturer's build quality today or else the conversation could get a lot longer on both sides
of the Atlantic.

**Mikado463** · October 31, 2021, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by SCAudiophile

I find myself wondering why are people talking about Porsche on a Corvette thread and why are people throwing wet blankets on others' enthusiasm for Vettes?

quite simply, it's what 'car guys and gals' do !

Also problems 10-20 years ago with a car have NOTHING to do with a manufacturer's build quality today or else the conversation could get a lot longer on both sides
of the Atlantic.

saying 'history' has nothing to do is just plain wrong and I'm a Bow Tie guy through and through ......

**Mikado463** · October 31, 2021, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by nc42acc

My three Porsche are gone and now I just have the C7 Grand Sport as my only sports car. Go figure.

well there you go, with age comes wisdom .......

**nc42acc** · October 31, 2021, 08:24 PM

Hey us bowtie guys gotta stick together. C7 GS is actually a better track car than the C7 ZO6 I had.

Originally Posted by Mikado463

well there you go, with age comes wisdom .......

**crwilli** · October 31, 2021, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by nc42acc

Hey us bowtie guys gotta stick together. C7 GS is actually a better track car than the C7 ZO6 I had.

Having driven my ‘17 GS on the track many days, while it may be easier to drive on the track than the comparable Z06, it is definitely not faster than a Z06. I am usually with them around most of my ‘local’ track but they simply pull away from me on the straight sections. After a few laps, they are quite a bit ahead of me. Nothing like horsepower.

**nc42acc** · October 31, 2021, 09:23 PM

I bet we have crossed paths on the local tracks, I see you are in SC. I actually have turned my best lap times in a BMW E30 D Mod race car. Not always about brute HP.

Originally Posted by crwilli

Having driven my ‘17 GS on the track many days, while it may be easier to drive on the track than the comparable Z06, it is definitely not faster than a Z06. I am usually with them around most of my ‘local’ track but they simply pull away from me on the straight sections. After a few laps, they are quite a bit ahead of me. Nothing like horsepower.

**crwilli** · October 31, 2021, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by nc42acc

I bet we have crossed paths on the local tracks, I see you are in SC. I actually have turned my best lap times in a BMW E30 D Mod race car. Not always about brute HP.

My local track is Roebling Road. That is the only track I have driven my ‘17 on.

I understand what you are saying. Maybe I should have said ‘all things being equal’ horsepower wins. 😀

IF it was a road race, I might be able to hold them off for a few laps but I don’t think that would be for long unless the driver of the Z06 sucked. 🤪

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