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    Hahaha ,Mtn Ham That reads like a Tesla Brochure ...!
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    Quote Originally Posted by a.wayne View Post
    Hahaha ,Mtn Ham That reads like a Tesla Brochure ...!
    There aren't any brochures; Tesla does no advertising, no marketing, only their website (where you make the purchase.) Teslas sell themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MtnHam View Post
    Teslas sell themselves.
    with the help of the US taxpayer !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikado463 View Post
    with the help of the US taxpayer !
    The electric car tax credit phases out when a manufacturer sells 200,000 total qualifying vehicles, no matter the model. Tesla exceed that # some time ago.

    Plug In Electric Drive Vehicle Credit Section 30D ...
    Search domain irs.govhttps://www.irs.gov/credits-deductions/individuals/plug-in-electric-drive-vehicle-credit-section-30d

    The credit ranges between $2,500 and $7,500, depending on the capacity of the battery. The credit begins to phase out for a manufacturer, when that manufacturer sells 200,000 qualified vehicles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jadedavid View Post
    I am a landlord. Having previously owned a small business, these homes were intended as part of my retirement portfolio.
    I don't understand (nor agree with) the ability of a government to take away my source of income on one hand, while still demanding me to pay the taxes, utilities, maintenance, registration and inspection fees. Plus there is for many landlords loan payments to the bank that need to be met. All while not receiving ANY income.
    If the government wishes to impose such restrictive policies (which I don't understand how this can be legal) on business owners (landlords) they should justly compensate them.
    Can you imagine the government telling WalMart that they need to maintain an ample supply of food in their stores yet the customers don't have to pay for it?????
    I'm with you 100% ... that's why I believe your government should support you during this period of harsh times. I've read that they may extend the evictions, with support (financial) coming to you. You'd be able to drive an EV next.
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    @ Tom (MtnHam), thanks for your feedback.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MtnHam View Post
    Here in California Teslas seem to be almost every 5th car I see on the road. I expect delivery of a Model S Long Range (405 miles) this month. I have yet to encounter a single owner who wasn't extremely pleased with theirs. Many claim it's the finest and most pleasing auto they have ever owned. Many YouTubers say the same. My average daily trip is 80-100 miles. I will charge at home overnight with surplus energy from my 9 year old solar system, so Zero cost, and no trips to the gas station! Since I live in the boonies, my nearest gas station (8 miles away) charges $4.99/gallon.

    Auto Pilot is proven by statistics to be far safer (fewer accidents/100,000 miles) than any human driver, although the driver still needs to be paying attention. Full self driving will happen very soon. It's only a matter of time before the many naysayers on this thread will have to change their opinion!
    Earlier this year, Springtime, dams in the Northwest were at extra capacity for about 30 days, really messed with the early fish spawn. All the extra energy being produced was diverted to California cause Cali wasn’t able to sustain its own power.

    You guys are really missing the point and the urgency you face in California. The Central Valley does since their water has been cut this year and crops were not planted.

    Wait until they shut off the turbines at Lake Powell or Lake Mead then Cali will go dark.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikado463 View Post
    well I live one county over from the heart of Amish country, gonna get me a horse and buggy …….
    And power your HI Fi how...

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    EV is here to stay, and grow. That's the future wave of riding.
    Gas will collapse, water will deplete, heat will get hotter.

    This COVID-19 pandemic is no good for renters, landlords, first time house buyers.
    It's no good for a lot of people.

    Even EV needs chips to run them, and this shortage will intensify according to experts.

    We need to be creative, proactive, reinventing our energies; we need to wise up and find solutions to world's issues...health and wealth wise.

    Speaking of which ... power ...
    AL_A Reveals Design of World's First Magnetized Fusion Power Station | ArchDaily

    Batteries, hydro turbines, solar energy, wind turbines, ocean turbines, nuclear fusion, ... we need to recharge our batteries, and cleanly...just like listening to our music without noise pollution.

    * I am not a landlord, so I don't face the hardship. Sorry for the troubles this virus brings to you, to your tenants, to a whole lot of people across the four corners of our globe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob181 View Post
    And power your HI Fi how...
    Good one! ... Power-horse (horsepower)
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    Quote Originally Posted by MtnHam View Post
    There aren't any brochures; Tesla does no advertising, no marketing, only their website (where you make the purchase.) Teslas sell themselves.
    Yes they know their captive market well ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by FishStalkerGuy View Post
    Earlier this year, Springtime, dams in the Northwest were at extra capacity for about 30 days, really messed with the early fish spawn. All the extra energy being produced was diverted to California cause Cali wasn’t able to sustain its own power.

    You guys are really missing the point and the urgency you face in California. The Central Valley does since their water has been cut this year and crops were not planted.

    Wait until they shut off the turbines at Lake Powell or Lake Mead then Cali will go dark.


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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthStar View Post
    I'm with you 100% ... that's why I believe your government should support you during this period of harsh times. I've read that they may extend the evictions, with support (financial) coming to you. You'd be able to drive an EV next.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a.wayne View Post
    Yes they know their captive market well ..
    "Captive market" WTF?? You must be out of touch with reality. Almost every auto manufacturer in the world now realizes EV's are the future and are scrambling to catch up! Those who don't will be out of business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob181 View Post
    And power your HI Fi how...
    I'll plug into my neighbors EV ……….
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    Quote Originally Posted by MtnHam View Post
    "Captive market" WTF?? You must be out of touch with reality. Almost every auto manufacturer in the world now realizes EV's are the future and are scrambling to catch up! Those who don't will be out of business.
    Nope , you are the one out of touch , every Manufacturer is being paid-a vig to build EV’s , you should read their Paris accord doctrine ...!

    Please feel free to explain how EV’s make for a better future ..!

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    The push for EV will clearly benefit China once again. No surprise there...


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    Quote Originally Posted by a.wayne View Post
    Nope , you are the one out of touch , every Manufacturer is being paid-a vig to build EV’s , you should read their Paris accord doctrine ...!

    Please feel free to explain how EV’s make for a better future ..!

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    look at Volkswagen, MB, BMW, Ford,GM, etc.

    China:
    China has one EV veteran — BYD, or Build Your Dream — the Warren Buffett–backed automaker that has been making electric models since 2008. However, Tesla currently makes the best-selling electric cars in the Chinese market. Now everyone else is piling into the industry, from Chinese state-owned auto groups like SAIC to foreign companies like VW, from indebted real estate groups like Evergrande to tech giants like Tencent, Huawei, Baidu, and Didi Chuxing.

    While it has already succeeded in building a fantastic auto that surpasses $M sports cars in performance, needs little service, and will have a very long life with low operational costs, it is actually an advanced software company. It is way ahead in Full Self Driving (FSD) and will be a worldwide leader.

    "Please feel free to explain how EV’s make for a better future ..!"
    It is clear that ICE engines are as advanced as they will get, but we can not continue to use them for all the known reasons! EVs are far more efficient in their use of fuel, and are clean. We now have the means of producing electricity without pollution or greenhouse gasses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MtnHam View Post
    look at Volkswagen, MB, BMW, Ford,GM, etc.

    China:
    China has one EV veteran — BYD, or Build Your Dream — the Warren Buffett–backed automaker that has been making electric models since 2008. However, Tesla currently makes the best-selling electric cars in the Chinese market. Now everyone else is piling into the industry, from Chinese state-owned auto groups like SAIC to foreign companies like VW, from indebted real estate groups like Evergrande to tech giants like Tencent, Huawei, Baidu, and Didi Chuxing.

    While it has already succeeded in building a fantastic auto that surpasses $M sports cars in performance, needs little service, and will have a very long life with low operational costs, it is actually an advanced software company. It is way ahead in Full Self Driving (FSD) and will be a worldwide leader.

    "Please feel free to explain how EV’s make for a better future ..!"
    It is clear that ICE engines are as advanced as they will get, but we can not continue to use them for all the known reasons! EVs are far more efficient in their use of fuel, and are clean. We now have the means of producing electricity without pollution or greenhouse gasses.
    We are FAR from having the means of producing electricity to charge the EVs without pollution and greenhouse gases.








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    From what I have read, and going from memory here, EV cars create less pollution even when charged with dirty generated electricity. Also, the dirty electricity plants are slowly being replaced with cleaner electricity plants.

    However, if it doesn’t rain out west then the smoke pollution from all the forest fires will probably exceed the pollution from EV vehicles.
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    The US has more power outages than any other developed country. Here’s why.
    Our grid is outdated and rundown, but utilities aren't willing to do much about it.

    The oldest American power lines date back to the 1880s, and most of today’s grid was built in the 1950s and 1960s with a 50-year life expectancy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueFox View Post
    From what I have read, and going from memory here, EV cars create less pollution even when charged with dirty generated electricity. Also, the dirty electricity plants are slowly being replaced with cleaner electricity plants.

    However, if it doesn’t rain out west then the smoke pollution from all the forest fires will probably exceed the pollution from EV vehicles.
    Perhaps even surpass the pollution from all vehicles! My local air currently looks terrible. Usually, it's very clean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueFox View Post
    From what I have read, and going from memory here, EV cars create less pollution even when charged with dirty generated electricity. Also, the dirty electricity plants are slowly being replaced with cleaner electricity plants.

    However, if it doesn’t rain out west then the smoke pollution from all the forest fires will probably exceed the pollution from EV vehicles.
    Transportation and actual production of electricity are number 1 and 2 within a few percentage points of each other as far as greenhouse gases emissions go. If one replaces transportation to electric without addressing the pollution from electricity generation itself, one has accomplished nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MtnHam View Post
    look at Volkswagen, MB, BMW, Ford,GM, etc.

    China:
    China has one EV veteran — BYD, or Build Your Dream — the Warren Buffett–backed automaker that has been making electric models since 2008. However, Tesla currently makes the best-selling electric cars in the Chinese market. Now everyone else is piling into the industry, from Chinese state-owned auto groups like SAIC to foreign companies like VW, from indebted real estate groups like Evergrande to tech giants like Tencent, Huawei, Baidu, and Didi Chuxing.

    While it has already succeeded in building a fantastic auto that surpasses $M sports cars in performance, needs little service, and will have a very long life with low operational costs, it is actually an advanced software company. It is way ahead in Full Self Driving (FSD) and will be a worldwide leader.

    "Please feel free to explain how EV’s make for a better future ..!"
    It is clear that ICE engines are as advanced as they will get, but we can not continue to use them for all the known reasons! EVs are far more efficient in their use of fuel, and are clean. We now have the means of producing electricity without pollution or greenhouse gasses.
    You seem to not know what a “Vig” is and worse , very little about ICE , not to mention Hybrids. Hybrids beat EV’s on every measurable metric except , the desire to want to own an EV ..!

    Current ICE engines as delivered today are nowhere near their peak capabilities , we will be burning up to 4 times the resources ( read carbon foot print ) currently used to make ICE cars to do this ridiculous full on conversion, nothing done commercially on the planet works without Oil..!



    BTW, Autonomous capabilities are nothing new , GM first shown one to the public back in the 50’s, men in black had them long before Wil Smith joined up ..


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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueFox View Post
    From what I have read, and going from memory here, EV cars create less pollution even when charged with dirty generated electricity. Also, the dirty electricity plants are slowly being replaced with cleaner electricity plants.

    However, if it doesn’t rain out west then the smoke pollution from all the forest fires will probably exceed the pollution from EV vehicles.
    Toxic battery build and waste exceeds any and all levels put out by an ICE , which mind you are not yet using fully recoverable technology , give the same free funding to all car manufacturers, for them to do so and watch emission get to zero..

    Politics via regulation and corruption makes them not affordable in a free market, ask VW who paid Billions in fines over emissions , after cutting off the Vig to our illustrious overseers , yet GM pays a slap on the wrist for delivering cars which killed many Due to faulty and known defective systems ...!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MtnHam View Post
    Perhaps even surpass the pollution from all vehicles! My local air currently looks terrible. Usually, it's very clean.
    By design mind you ..,!



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    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    I was all set to go all in on a Tesla but I'm having second thoughts right now.

    I see some issues when the batteries/vehicles are out of warranty. Sometimes they want to replace the entire battery pack for a somewhat simple coolant plumbing repair.

    Contrary to popular belief, there is some maintenance required, although a lot less than the average ICE vehicle.
    Joe, have a gander at the new Nissan Ariya

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthStar View Post
    How many here use an electric shaver?
    good old fashion dbl edge safety razor for me Bob !
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    Why don't we have electric aircraft?

    Climate explained: why don't we have electric aircraft?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikado463 View Post
    good old fashion dbl edge safety razor for me Bob !
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    In a perfect world, the cars would not have to carry heavy batteries made up of rare elements that pollute the crap out of the atmosphere while being extracted from mother earth and need recycling and eventual disposal of very toxic elements. In a perfect world, the energy source would be built into the roads, the roads themselves would be electrified and the "personal transport capsules" aka "cars" as we know them today ​would contain the motor. Nothing revolutionary here, it's not like we don't have electric trolleybuses, bumper cars, electric trains that do not carry their own power source.


    Perhaps in another half a century or so but in the mean time....


    some companies are experimenting with electrifying the roads that can "recharge" the conventional battery carrying EVs.

    Electric Roads Could Be a Path to a Driverless Future - The New York Times

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    The transition from horse to horsepower ushered in an infrastructural revolution that rippled through every part of society and made the modern world possible. A century later, we may be on the cusp of another massive transformation, this time with electric roads. How Electric Roads Could Power the Future - YouTube

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikado463 View Post
    good old fashion dbl edge safety razor for me Bob !
    I'm the same, manual razor human power activated (by ✋ hand) Dave.
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    Toyota is into hydrogen ...
    Toyota Bet Against Electric Cars. Now It's Stacking the Deck Against Them

    Are they betting right? Who's with Toyota Japan?
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    Nothing in Hydrogen, not happening ...!
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    Quote Originally Posted by a.wayne View Post
    Nothing in Hydrogen, not happening ...!
    I thought so ...
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    Different countries different geographical situations different resources different renewable energies different electrical systems different power generators for EV and all ... the power grid of audiophiles and EV drivers.

    New Zealand wants to build a 100% renewable electricity grid, but massive infrastructure is not the best option.

    5 Facts About Renewable Energy in New Zealand | The Borgen Project.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthStar View Post
    Different countries different geographical situations different resources different renewable energies different electrical systems different power generators for EV and all ... the power grid of audiophiles and EV drivers.

    New Zealand wants to build a 100% renewable electricity grid, but massive infrastructure is not the best option.

    5 Facts About Renewable Energy in New Zealand | The Borgen Project.
    Hydro electric works when you have water in the reservoirs.


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    Everything Works if the plebs are willing to pay ..!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ramasmith View Post
    It's amazing and superb car.
    Which one, Tesla model?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FishStalkerGuy View Post
    Hydro electric works when you have water in the reservoirs.


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    Yes, by pumping water from the ocean to fill the reservoirs...as shown in the link I provided.
    And what activates those pumps? Solar energy, wind turbines, tide turbines, ...?
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    With today's technologies solar and wind can barely light neighborhoods, hopefully in 2050 things would be much more advanced. It would be interesting to see how big these reservoirs would have to be to handle seawater to generate power without contaminating the land. Once seawater is introduced to the land everything around it dies, very high alkaline. Internet drawings are one thing but drawings to scale is another. Don't get me wrong, I believe we need alternative energy sources but the narrative today is a pipe dream.

    How would you dispose of the spent batteries in these cars, the material inside are toxic. Buddy of mine owns a VW dealership and his people had to be trained wearing hazmat suits if the battery ever gets compromised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FishStalkerGuy View Post
    With today's technologies solar and wind can barely light neighborhoods, hopefully in 2050 things would be much more advanced. It would be interesting to see how big these reservoirs would have to be to handle seawater to generate power without contaminating the land. Once seawater is introduced to the land everything around it dies, very high alkaline. Internet drawings are one thing but drawings to scale is another. Don't get me wrong, I believe we need alternative energy sources but the narrative today is a pipe dream.

    How would you dispose of the spent batteries in these cars, the material inside are toxic. Buddy of mine owns a VW dealership and his people had to be trained wearing hazmat suits if the battery ever gets compromised.
    Germany has wrecked their landscapes with a whole bunch of wind turbines and still imports 60% of its energy. 10% is coal imported from Russia, US and a few others.

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    That's the least of our problems if current zeitgeist continues .....!
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthStar View Post
    Yes, by pumping water from the ocean to fill the reservoirs...as shown in the link I provided.
    And what activates those pumps? Solar energy, wind turbines, tide turbines, ...?
    What charges EV batteries ...Nuclear fusion in 2050?
    Just up the road from me in Ludington MI, the power company in 1969 constructed a large reservoir (2.5 Mi x 1Mi) on the shore of Lake Michigan.
    At night (off peak times) it utilizes excess electricity on the grid to run pumps to take water from Lake Michigan and fill the reservoir. Then during high demand they let it discharge thru turbines to generate power to meet increased demands. Capable of producing 1.872 Megawatts. Quite an engineering project.
    However, electricity produced by solar, wind, etc do not have anywhere near the available energy potential to power the pumps to fill the reservoir.
    Maybe some day but not in the last 50 years since it's construction. It works well and does a good job of providing for peaks without having to build a power plant and is basically environmentally friendly. (after they figured a way to stop sucking up large quantities of native Lake MI fish and grinding them up in the turbines.
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    Can't imagine a greater satisfaction than waking up to the sights and sounds of green energy...







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