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    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
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    You can lease a Tesla for 3 years. It is not a lot of money, allows the tech to mature some more and you’ll still help the environment.
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    Interesting video Joe ! So in essence Tesla said 'replace the battery' and one wonders , would they then just dispose of it ?? if so, so much for the great 'green thinking' of EV's !!

    I would hope they would in fact refurb it for further use, regardless they have clearly demonstrated how to screw over the consumer !!
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    One of the issues with EV's, is how will the government recoup the loss of road/sales taxes.
    When you buy a gallon of gas there is a significant amount of taxes. When charging and using an EV these do not apply.
    I'm sure that they will figure out a way to tax and at least maintain their share.
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    The battery pack was absolutely fine. It was just a broken inlet that lets coolant circulate around the pack to keep it cool. They would not even let the customer keep the battery pack which he could have sold to make up the difference. There's a big movement now for "right to repair" so entire assemblies will not have to be replaced for a small broken part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikado463 View Post
    Interesting video Joe ! So in essence Tesla said 'replace the battery' and one wonders , would they then just dispose of it ?? if so, so much for the great 'green thinking' of EV's !!

    I would hope they would in fact refurb it for further use, regardless they have clearly demonstrated how to screw over the consumer !!
    Dave, Tesla does claim they recycle their batteries 100%. Sounds a bit optimistic but then again it is Elon Musk we are talking about here....
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    Quote Originally Posted by jadedavid View Post
    One of the issues with EV's, is how will the government recoup the loss of road/sales taxes.
    When you buy a gallon of gas there is a significant amount of taxes. When charging and using an EV these do not apply.
    I'm sure that they will figure out a way to tax and at least maintain their share.
    No worries, I saw a road tax proposed in the news today. It's coming... A By-the-Mile Tax on Driving Gains Steam as a Way to Fund U.S. Roads
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    Quote Originally Posted by jadedavid View Post
    One of the issues with EV's, is how will the government recoup the loss of road/sales taxes.
    When you buy a gallon of gas there is a significant amount of taxes. When charging and using an EV these do not apply.
    I'm sure that they will figure out a way to tax and at least maintain their share.
    A mileage tax is being talked about so you pay per mile of driving and billed once a year during your vehicle inspection. Ugh!
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    I hope they don't come up with an hourly tax on listening to an audio system.
    Otherwise I will be in trouble LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by jadedavid View Post
    I hope they don't come up with an hourly tax on listening to an audio system.
    Otherwise I will be in trouble LOL
    It already exists. It’s called ‘The Electric Bill’. When I bought my amps in the middle of July of 2008 (I think) I played them for two weeks. Because they creat so much heat, I ran my AC the whole time. When I got my outrageous July electric bill I freaked out, and then had solar installed in September. Now I listen to my stereo, at most, twice a week in the summer. Nothing is cheap anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CPP View Post
    We owned a Telsa, (2018 Model S P100D) about the worst car we ever owned. Freaking super quick, and pissed off the Vette and 911 guys, but even the warranty couldn't help the conditioning repair issues. We have two older Lexus cars ( ES350 & GS350) in the family, one has 57K and the other has 65 K, not a single problem with either and going strong. But one of the hold backs for us with EV, was the limitations on mileage. We make multiple trips to the mountains and with EV stopping along the way for hours to recharge in the freaking pits, unless you can FIND a Telsa charging station. Sold it and I bought me a F150. Now the F150 Lightning coming out late this year is interesting, 563 horsepower and 775 lb.-ft. of torque, and a 0-60 mph time in the mid-4-second range when equipped with an extended-range battery, but again mileage is a hold back. Its like buy a EV for close to home and drive your RV or gas cars and trucks for those long range trips.
    A different type of ride for different occasions; that's the idea you have in spades.
    I still belive that gasoline vehicles are bad for the heart. They are like a bad virus.
    They will be extinct after we are gone most of us, it is inevitable.
    Batteries will ride further on a single charge...300, 400, 500, 600 miles ... Battery stations will multiply, with faster chargers, wireless chargers, ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikado463 View Post
    I'm in agreement here as well. With commitment will come the infrastructure that's needed. One thing that will be interesting is while most homeowners will be able to add charging stations to their garages I wonder how the masses that live in apartment/condo complexes that park in 'lots' will manage ?
    Simple; underground condo/apartment garages with chargers, for each car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jadedavid View Post
    One of the issues with EV's, is how will the government recoup the loss of road/sales taxes.
    When you buy a gallon of gas there is a significant amount of taxes. When charging and using an EV these do not apply.
    I'm sure that they will figure out a way to tax and at least maintain their share.
    They'll figure out I'm shure.

    We'll need more cleaner power...nuclear fusion, solar, and less waste of unregulated power...bitcoin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthStar View Post
    Simple; underground condo/apartment garages with chargers, for each car.
    new construction perhaps, how about the millions of apartments and lots already in existence, not as simple. But yes, a solution will evolve ......
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    Would be nice if there are charging stations at my workplace
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    How would you power these stations nuclear or coal burning plants?

    Technology for Solar and wind power is not even close to supporting our infrastructure. Hydro electric is not considered clean sustainable power, no credits applied to that industry.

    Unfortunately politics and money interest run the “clean” energy narrative.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FishStalkerGuy View Post
    How would you power these stations nuclear or coal burning plants?

    Technology for Solar and wind power is not even close to supporting our infrastructure. Hydro electric is not considered clean sustainable power, no credits applied to that industry.

    Unfortunately politics and money interest run the “clean” energy narrative.


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    I was just about to ask, what creates the energy to charge the battery? Yep, Fossil Fuel

    How do you get anywhere when the cyber attacks are on the power grid?

    How do you fly a plane on Batteries?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowfax View Post
    I was just about to ask, what creates the energy to charge the battery? Yep, Fossil Fuel

    How do you get anywhere when the cyber attacks are on the power grid?

    How do you fly a plane on Batteries?

    Going Green will kill the US completely. Wake Up People.
    In the French Alps last summer, a plane set seven new world records. The two-seater aircraft climbed more than 20,000 feet in under two minutes, and reached speeds of 142 miles per hour. It flew nonstop for 300 miles, yep a single battery. The plane was called the e-Genius . Sure battery in big planes is too many years off to count but people are working on it. Which by then some new technology will be invented.

    And hell we already have cyber attacks on the power grids all over the world.. And even fuel supplies have been hacked which impacted the south and lower east cost. . May 7 Colonial Pipeline was hacked (a ransom attack) . A February report from IBM found that the energy industry was the third most targeted sector for such attacks in 2020, behind only finance and manufacturing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CPP View Post
    In the French Alps last summer, a plane set seven new world records. The two-seater aircraft climbed more than 20,000 feet in under two minutes, and reached speeds of 142 miles per hour. It flew nonstop for 300 miles, yep a single battery. The plane was called the e-Genius . Sure battery in big planes is too many years off to count but people are working on it. Which by then some new technology will be invented.

    And hell we already have cyber attacks on the power grids all over the world.. And even fuel supplies have been hacked which impacted the south and lower east cost. . May 7 Colonial Pipeline was hacked (a ransom attack) . A February report from IBM found that the energy industry was the third most targeted sector for such attacks in 2020, behind only finance and manufacturing.
    And all the attacks you mentioned were False Flag Attacks orchestrated by the Globalists and unfortunately, CIA and FBI were all involved.

    The Pipeline attacks and shutdown of the other pipeline are all supposed to make it look like we have to go Green, but it's all baloney.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowfax View Post
    I was just about to ask, what creates the energy to charge the battery? Yep, Fossil Fuel

    How do you get anywhere when the cyber attacks are on the power grid?

    How do you fly a plane on Batteries?

    Going Green will kill the US completely. Wake Up People.
    It goes deeper , where is the energy and resources coming from to mine the chemicals for the battery , not to mention the complete car and tires , how is this going to be different, well apart from the transfer of wealth , power and control... !


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    "Agent Mulder", said Scully, "it is a conspiracy"!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowfax View Post
    And all the attacks you mentioned were False Flag Attacks orchestrated by the Globalists and unfortunately, CIA and FBI were all involved.

    The Pipeline attacks and shutdown of the other pipeline are all supposed to make it look like we have to go Green, but it's all baloney.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob181 View Post
    I want what you have in your coffee every morning...
    LOL. Or maybe a few times a week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob181 View Post
    I want what you have in your coffee every morning...
    It's called education and information you won't get from MSM.

    Enjoy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowfax View Post
    It's called education and information you won't get from MSM.

    Enjoy
    Or from any other sauce - BBQ - Tomato - Tabasco - all equally as credible...

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    Solar powered stations and solar homes can charge the batteries in EV. No need of a rocket science PhD. In 2050 nuclear fusion is another possibility.
    Anyway, ketchup won't do, and neither oil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthStar View Post
    Solar powered stations and solar homes can charge the batteries in EV. No need of a rocket science PhD. In 2050 nuclear fusion is another possibility.
    Anyway, ketchup won't do, and neither oil.

    Infographic: The Alternative Energy Sources of the Future

    What does the future of energy look like? | Stanford News
    At this point and time and anywhere in the near future, nuclear is the only alternative to replace fossil fuels and hydroelectric (if we have water) to power the globe

    Your major industries all rely on coal, natural gas and hydro electric.

    Gotta start sometime since I’ll probably won’t be around in 2050. EV Cars


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    Water we have ... the oceans. And if we don't drop our nuclear toxic wastes in it.

    They are not my industries, they are the industries of the destroyers...coal, gas, oil.

    Smart? The humans are smart, the North Americans are smart; they'll know just what to do...in time @ the precipice of extinction.

    Meanwhile they are building more EV; it's just that the production is slower right now because of lower chips supply...COVID-19 pandemic.

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    You cannot build enough or as many as you need for sustainable water with desalination plants, won’t happen.

    Aquifers are drying up globally……Farmers in California largest agricultural state in the world is drying up. They’re having to drill for ancient water to water their crops and ground water does not have the nutrients that rain water has.

    I agree we need alternative methods to power our infrastructure or life style as we know it may not exist, but again, I doubt I’ll witness that event. My kids and grandkids will, though!


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    Unless our grandkids are smarter than us.

    In North Korea they have to get rice from the army's supplies to feed their population.
    In North America they have to evict for the landlords to survive.
    In Asia they have to find oxygen to save their people.
    In South America they have to elect new leaders to save themselves.

    They can build all the EVs for 7.8 billion people, and it can rain for a full year; it won't save the planet and all the audiophiles.

    Anyway, we try our best to enjoy now for everyone. What else can we do that we didn't already do.
    Elon Musk you can view this as your next challenge and see what you can come up with. And that goes also to all the billionaires of the world.

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    Gotta start somewhere and sooner is way better than later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big B View Post
    Gotta start somewhere and sooner is way better than later.
    Have you considered switching to class d amplifiers? WAY more efficient than what you are currently using.
    Would save considerably on electrical usage. Gotta start somewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthStar View Post
    Unless our grandkids are smarter than us.

    In North Korea they have to get rice from the army's supplies to feed their population.
    In North America they have to evict for the landlords to survive.
    In Asia they have to find oxygen to save their people.
    In South America they have to elect new leaders to save themselves.

    They can build all the EVs for 7.8 billion people, and it can rain for a full year; it won't save the planet and all the audiophiles.

    Anyway, we try our best to enjoy now for everyone. What else can we do that we didn't already do.
    Elon Musk you can view this as your next challenge and see what you can come up with. And that goes also to all the billionaires of the world.

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    I am a landlord. Having previously owned a small business, these homes were intended as part of my retirement portfolio.
    I don't understand (nor agree with) the ability of a government to take away my source of income on one hand, while still demanding me to pay the taxes, utilities, maintenance, registration and inspection fees. Plus there is for many landlords loan payments to the bank that need to be met. All while not receiving ANY income.
    If the government wishes to impose such restrictive policies (which I don't understand how this can be legal) on business owners (landlords) they should justly compensate them.
    Can you imagine the government telling WalMart that they need to maintain an ample supply of food in their stores yet the customers don't have to pay for it?????
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    Quote Originally Posted by jadedavid View Post
    I am a landlord. Having previously owned a small business, these homes were intended as part of my retirement portfolio.
    I don't understand (nor agree with) the ability of a government to take away my source of income on one hand, while still demanding me to pay the taxes, utilities, maintenance, registration and inspection fees. Plus there is for many landlords loan payments to the bank that need to be met. All while not receiving ANY income.
    If the government wishes to impose such restrictive policies (which I don't understand how this can be legal) on business owners (landlords) they should justly compensate them.
    Can you imagine the government telling WalMart that they need to maintain an ample supply of food in their stores yet the customers don't have to pay for it?????
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    Welcome to prison planet , you will own nothing but Class D and Bose Micro’s , yet you will be Happy ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by a.wayne View Post
    Welcome to prison planet , you will own nothing but Class D and Bose Micro’s , yet you will be Happy ..
    Isn't that a quote from Klaus Schwab?
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    Quote Originally Posted by a.wayne View Post
    Welcome to prison planet , you will own nothing but Class D and Bose Micro’s , yet you will be Happy ..
    Is that what hell looks like?


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    This thread is officially a political thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    This thread is officially a political thread.
    Anything besides audio is effected by Politics. The Finance thread is no different.
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    King Dufus is predicting 50% electric vehicles on the road by 2030 , seems way out of reach to me infrastructure wise and all , thinking more like 2050 for a 30%cut..


    As more and more Hybrid cars hit the streets, Full EV cars will be placed on the back burner for sure ..!


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    Quote Originally Posted by a.wayne View Post
    ...
    As more and more Hybrid cars hit the streets, Full EV cars will be placed on the back burner for sure ..!
    Perhaps if this were only up to the consumer, but virtually all major governments are "interfering", and now even Toyota (which had been committed to hybrids) is having to adjust to the likely future of EVs. Good or bad, it is happening, and perhaps rather than complaining we should be looking more closely at the technological hurdles to overcome to make it a more pleasant reality.

    It's still a bit hard for me to understand the resistance to the overall driving experience in a high quality EV, which is astonishingly better than any other road vehicle. As Porsche, Mercedes and BMW roll out more of their EVs in both car and SUV platforms it will become even more obvious to the doubters.
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    and now back to our regularly scheduled programming.
    I'm all in favor of EV's However I don't feel that they have reached a level of practicality to where I would chose to participate.
    I am against government subsidies in development, manufacturing and purchases. Let private industry do their thing . Isn't an old adage, develop a better mousetrap and people will buy it?
    My primary concerns are Price, range and availability of charging stations. Until these are significantly addressed count me out.
    IMO they have surpassed the novelty stage and have entered into the limited usability stage. Just not fully fleshed out yet. Perhaps great for a second vehicle to be used in the city.
    I keep flashing back to the news photos of EV's lined up at charging stations trying to flee the California wild fires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jadedavid View Post
    I am against government subsidies in development, manufacturing and purchases.
    Tesla would have been dead in the water years ago if not provided funds from taxpayers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowfax View Post
    Tesla would have been dead in the water years ago if not provided funds from taxpayers.
    Perhaps, or maybe not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rbbert View Post
    Perhaps if this were only up to the consumer, but virtually all major governments are "interfering", and now even Toyota (which had been committed to hybrids) is having to adjust to the likely future of EVs. Good or bad, it is happening, and perhaps rather than complaining we should be looking more closely at the technological hurdles to overcome to make it a more pleasant reality.

    It's still a bit hard for me to understand the resistance to the overall driving experience in a high quality EV, which is astonishingly better than any other road vehicle. As Porsche, Mercedes and BMW roll out more of their EVs in both car and SUV platforms it will become even more obvious to the doubters.
    Its the same misunderstood resistance to energy saving Class D amplifiers , free People , free minds or something along those lines ...!



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    We should keep this focused on EV’s and drop the informed Logic over emotions will yah .. !

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    Here in California Teslas seem to be almost every 5th car I see on the road. I expect delivery of a Model S Long Range (405 miles) this month. I have yet to encounter a single owner who wasn't extremely pleased with theirs. Many claim it's the finest and most pleasing auto they have ever owned. Many YouTubers say the same. My average daily trip is 80-100 miles. I will charge at home overnight with surplus energy from my 9 year old solar system, so Zero cost, and no trips to the gas station! Since I live in the boonies, my nearest gas station (8 miles away) charges $4.99/gallon.

    Auto Pilot is proven by statistics to be far safer (fewer accidents/100,000 miles) than any human driver, although the driver still needs to be paying attention. Full self driving will happen very soon. It's only a matter of time before the many naysayers on this thread will have to change their opinion!
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    well I live one county over from the heart of Amish country, gonna get me a horse and buggy …….
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