Aurender N10

**skolis** · May 6, 2015, 09:22 AM

Sorry if this is covered elsewhere, could not find it.....

Does anyone know:

- when will N10 be released?
- How much onboard storage? MAX amount?
- price point?

thx,

**bthomas9** · May 6, 2015, 10:47 AM

Axpona info was June/July time frame (moved back from March). Larger cache drive 240gb. Probably 4tb mechanical drives for storage, but not finalized yet. Price TBD my best guess is starting at +/- 8k ish

**skolis** · May 6, 2015, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by bthomas9

Axpona info was June/July time frame (moved back from March). Larger cache drive 240gb. Probably 4tb mechanical drives for storage, but not finalized yet. Price TBD my best guess is starting at +/- 8k ish

ok, thanks, and now I'm confused 'cuz i thought the X100L with 12 TB was about $3500 ( or maybe 3800, can't remember ) so why would I want the N10 for 8K? ( rhetorical question)

**Mark Jones** · May 6, 2015, 11:47 AM

B Thomas is correct.

The N10 will have a much more advanced power supply as well as all the usual digital outs. The X100L while being fantastic only has USB and will not sound as good. Do I use one one and love it, yes.

**CDLehner** · May 6, 2015, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by Mark Jones

B Thomas is correct.

The N10 will have a much more advanced power supply as well as all the usually digital outs. The X100L while being fantastic only has USB and will not sound as good. Do I use one one and love it, yes.

It's not even out...and already, it sounds better than the X100L? C'mon guys

**Mark Jones** · May 6, 2015, 09:22 PM

I get what you are saying Chris, but all I am saying is it should sound better as it is technically better, just like the N100 is touch better sounding than the X100.

**CDLehner** · May 6, 2015, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by Mark Jones

I get what you are saying Chris, but all I am saying is it should sound better as it is technically better, just like the N100 is touch better sounding than the X100.

Fair enough.

**bpw** · May 7, 2015, 01:56 AM

Scheduled availability of the N10 is the end of June. It will have 4TB internal storage and a 240GB SSD caching drive and will retail for $7999.

One will be on demonstration at THE Show Newport at the end of this month.

**Bobolaclune** · May 7, 2015, 07:14 AM

Originally Posted by CDLehner

It's not even out...and already, it sounds better than the X100L? C'mon guys

The N10 as far as I understand is a replacement for the W10 . You can run an A-B of the X100L vs the W10. I did . The W10 is better in every way. Ergo - I doubt whether Aurender would go to the trouble of producing a poorer sonic replacement, so an assumption of improvement would be logical.

**bpw** · May 7, 2015, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by Bobolaclune

The N10 as far as I understand is a replacement for the W10 . You can run an A-B of the X100L vs the W10. I did . The W10 is better in every way. Ergo - I doubt whether Aurender would go to the trouble of producing a poorer sonic replacement, so an assumption of improvement would be logical.

There is no such thing as a W10. Here is what I think you meant to say:
The N10 as far as I understand is a replacement for the S10. You can run an A-B of the X100L vs the N10. I did. The N10 is better in every way. Ergo - I doubt whether Aurender would go to the trouble of producing a poorer sonic replacement, so an assumption of improvement would be logical.
Yes, the N10 replaces the S10, which has been discontinued.

**Mark Jones** · May 7, 2015, 11:34 AM

N S X

**rww** · May 8, 2015, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by Mark Jones

I get what you are saying Chris, but all I am saying is it should sound better as it is technically better, just like the N100 is touch better sounding than the X100.

Do we know this to be true... has this been tested?

As an N100 owner I would like to think it was , but have never seen a direct SQ comparison made before.

:-)

**bigblue** · May 9, 2015, 07:20 PM

I shure hope we get to hear the N10 at the Munich show next week, and not just just a dry demo unit.

**bpw** · May 9, 2015, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by bigblue

I shure hope we get to hear the N10 at the Munich show next week, and not just just a dry demo unit.

According to Aurender's website they will be in Halle 4 E17. They didn't say whether the N10 will be on demonstration, but there's a fair chance.

**skolis** · May 9, 2015, 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by bigblue

I shure hope we get to hear the N10 at the Munich show next week, and not just just a dry demo unit.

And maybe get a comparison/feedback with the N100H...
( as if I wasn't confused enough already....)

**Paul** · May 9, 2015, 10:53 PM

Aurender N10

**RLL1** · May 10, 2015, 01:16 AM

Originally Posted by Paul

Aurender N10

I always felt there would be no reason to replace my Bryston BDP-1. This could very well be a reason.

**Paul** · May 10, 2015, 01:21 AM

Originally Posted by RLL1

I always felt there would be no reason to replace my Bryston BDP-1. This could very well be a reason.

Audio by Mark Jones has Bryston and Aurender. You might want to contact him for his opinion. He is local dealer

**bigblue** · May 10, 2015, 02:53 AM

The N10 seems to be very close to what I am looking for when adding an internal 4 TB HDD. The only thing lacking is a slot for loading your silver disc' to be read to the hard drive. Earlier I asked Aurender about this and in their opinion such a solution would deteriorate the SQ of the product. And also have separate computer doing the ripping and uploading meant you can choose what ever software you prefer for the job. Fair enough.

**Bobolaclune** · May 10, 2015, 06:15 AM

Hi Rick

You appear to be an all-digital system - what's your storage system like that feeds the BDP-1? If a HDD or PC/Mac , you'd notice a huge difference . This table gives you a quick and dirty on the differences.

Music Servers & Streamers Selection Table

Model	User
W20	For flagship DAC users like dCS Vivaldi, Dual AES DAC users, Separate Master Clock Users, Does not want to run NAS
N10	Traditional DAC users with SPDIF connection, NAS users or own content can be fit in 1TB of storage
S10	Traditiional DAC users with SPDIF connection, 4TB local storage included*
X100L	Latest USB DAC users, Does not want to setup NAS. 12TB local storage included
N100	Latest USB DAC users, who have music contents already on the NAS. (Optional 1TB SSD can be installed by dealers)

	Music Servers & Streamers
Model	N100	X100S	X100L	S10	N10*	W20
Width	Half Size (215mm/8.46in)			Full Size (430mm / 16.93in)
Height	45 mm 1.77 in	83 mm 3.27 in		97 mm 3.82 in	83 mm 3.27 in	106 mm 4.17 in
Length	355 mm 13.98 in	257 mm 10.12 in	355 mm 13.98 in	353 mm 13.90 in	TBD	370 mm 14.57 in
Weight	4.6kg 10.14 lb	5.0kg 11.02 lb	7.5kg 16.53 lb	14kg 30.86 lb	TBD	19kg 41.89 lb
Availability	Jan. 2015	Now	Now	Now	Jun. 2015	Now
SSD for System and cache	120G	120G	120G	120G	240G	240G
Music Storage	Optional	1TB (2.5" HDD)	6TB / 12TB	4TB HDD	TBD	12TB HDD (3.5" 6TB x 2)
Power	Full Linear	SMPS	SMPS	Linear + SMPS	Full Linear	Battery+SMPS
Display	3.0" AMOLED	3.3" AMOLED	3.3" AMOLED	3.7" Dual AMOLED	TBD	3.7" Dual AMOLED
Digital Audio Output	USB	USB	USB	USB COAX Optical AES/EBU	USB COAX Optical BNC AES/EBU	USB COAX Optical BNC AES/EBUx2
Master Clock Input						Word Clock or Master Clock Input (BNC)
Other I/O	Gigabit Ethernet, USB Port x2

**bigblue** · May 10, 2015, 06:45 AM

Brian, you mentioned that the N10 could have an 4 TB internal storage. But on their web page they still write 1 TB. What news have you heard

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**Mike** · May 10, 2015, 07:17 AM

Originally Posted by bigblue

Brian, you mentioned that the N10 could have an 4 TB internal storage. But on their web page they still write 1 TB. What news have you heard

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Bigblue - the Aurender N10 will include a 4TB drive. Original spec was for a 1TB, but Aurender told us they decided to up it to 4TB.

The N10 is expected to ship late June with an MSRP of $7999.

**bigblue** · May 10, 2015, 07:28 AM

Thanks Mike that's great news. Do you know if 4 TB is the full capacity or is it 2 + 2 TB in a Raid set up (resulting in 2 TB of efficient storage)?
I like everything except the price tag

. But if I get 8000 USD worth of improved SQ - I am all ears.

**Mike** · May 10, 2015, 07:34 AM

Originally Posted by bigblue

Thanks Mike that's great news. Do you know if 4 TB is the full capacity or is it 2 + 2 TB in a Raid set up (resulting in 2 TB of efficient storage)?
I like everything except the price tag

. But if I get 8000 USD worth of improved SQ - I am all ears.

We haven't been given those specific details yet surrounding the drives. Given that this will be a class leading Network Attachment Reference Music Player, with a plethora of outputs and options and that great Aurender app (Conductor), I am very excited to get my demo in and try it on a few systems.

**CDLehner** · May 10, 2015, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by skolis

And maybe get a comparison/feedback with the N100H...
( as if I wasn't confused enough already....)

What's the N100H?

**Mike** · May 10, 2015, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by CDLehner

What's the N100H?

The N100H is similar to the N100, except the N100H includes a 2.5 inch 2TB drive for only $200 more. That's definitely the way to go IMO.

**bigblue** · May 10, 2015, 11:00 AM

It will be very interesting to try the N10 and N100 side by side this autumn, to hear if there is a SQ improvement that justifies the price increase of the N10.
Will hopefully run them together with the Aria from Digibit.

**rww** · May 10, 2015, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by bigblue

It will be very interesting to try the N10 and N100 side by side this autumn, to hear if there is a SQ improvement that justifies the price increase of the N10.
Will hopefully run them together with the Aria from Digibit.

Yes N10 via USB would be the only worthwhile comparison, probably not much in it, the extra cost for the N10 is most likely primarily to fund the other outputs. If you have a top-end USB DAC and are using a NAS for your library, I can't see where significant SQ gains are going to be made over the N100... but I'm interested to see if this is really the case.

**Bobolaclune** · May 10, 2015, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by rww

Yes N10 via USB would be the only worthwhile comparison, probably not much in it, the extra cost for the N10 is most likely primarily to fund the other outputs. If you have a top-end USB DAC and are using a NAS for your library, I can't see where significant SQ gains are going to be made over the N100... but I'm interested to see if this is really the case.

The N10 is not the N100 with more outputs . The S10 ( N10's predecessor) & W10 took issues of power supply, isolation, jitter management to a very serious implementation. The X100 & N100 are simpler , less-comprehensive solutions to meet a more mainstream audience. It would be hard to justify a price of $8000 vs $2500 simply by increasing the number of outputs.

**bigblue** · May 10, 2015, 01:13 PM

Presently I am running an Oppo 105 as transport to my MSB analog dac. Very curious to see if these boxes will improve SQ. Ease of handling alone will not make me bring out the wallet at these price levels.

**rww** · May 10, 2015, 01:19 PM

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**rww** · May 10, 2015, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by Bobolaclune

The N10 is not the N100 with more outputs . The S10 ( N10's predecessor) & W10 took issues of power supply, isolation, jitter management to a very serious implementation. The X100 & N100 are simpler , less-comprehensive solutions to meet a more mainstream audience. It would be hard to justify a price of $8000 vs $2500 simply by increasing the number of outputs.

... which is why I'm interested to see what the actual SQ gain will be for the dollar, if it's worthwhile, I'll upgrade... but commonly "less is more" is banded around with audio componentry and the N100 appears to represent "minimal functionality, done properly".

There is a review on My Hi-End (I used google translate) and they say:

"N100 whether in use or music replay are fully felt a sense of joy to listen to music no burden, although almost as perfect and as good as the overall performance of the flagship W20, but the sound is neutral towards the clear direction softly in dynamic and the transparent cleanliness are showing pretty good level, can be seen in the design and manufacture of high-resolution aurender digital turntable skill giants really skillful, to construct or upgrade the system with high-resolution music files home can definitely be considered a good focus on design aurender."

I have no idea if the above is true but I have a feeling that the law of diminishing returns is going to be at play.

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**CDLehner** · May 11, 2015, 11:01 AM

Double post?

**CDLehner** · May 11, 2015, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by rww

... which is why I'm interested to see what the actual SQ gain will be for the dollar, if it's worthwhile, I'll upgrade... but commonly "less is more" is banded around with audio componentry and the N100 appears to represent "minimal functionality, done properly".

There is a review on My Hi-End (I used google translate) and they say:

"N100 whether in use or music replay are fully felt a sense of joy to listen to music no burden, although almost as perfect and as good as the overall performance of the flagship W20, but the sound is neutral towards the clear direction softly in dynamic and the transparent cleanliness are showing pretty good level, can be seen in the design and manufacture of high-resolution aurender digital turntable skill giants really skillful, to construct or upgrade the system with high-resolution music files home can definitely be considered a good focus on design aurender."

I have no idea if the above is true but I have a feeling that the law of diminishing returns is going to be at play.

.

Yeah; and I'm typically in the less in more, when it comes to computer audio, camp. Hard drives make noise, make heat...break down, etc; no getting around that, no matter how good the implementation. That being said...there are some findings, about local files...versus those streamed over network; so perhaps there is worthwhile trade-off (though I think that remains to be seen).

Personally...$2500, vs. $8k; the difference in SQ would have to leap out, at me. I mean, that's like going to a $32,000 amp, from a $10,000 unit.

**rww** · May 11, 2015, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by CDLehner

Yeah; and I'm typically in the less in more, when it comes to computer audio, camp. Hard drives make noise, make heat...break down, etc; no getting around that, no matter how good the implementation. That being said...there are some findings, about local files...versus those streamed over network; so perhaps there is worthwhile trade-off (though I think that remains to be seen).

Personally...$2500, vs. $8k; the difference in SQ would have to leap out, at me. I mean, that's like going to a $32,000 amp, from a $10,000 unit.

I'm in the same camp and I beleive that Async USB doesn't suffer from some of the problems of AES and SPDIF circuitry because (I think) there is no clock.

I accept that USB has its own issues - e.g. removing the 5v power rail in the USB cable sounds better - I do not claim to posses detailled knowledge of electronics - but the N100 sounds incredible to me and I can see why adding more outputs to it might significantly increase the selling price.

I see the N100 as barebones perfection for people who are prepared to go through some hassle to access their library... the other models add convenience, and some may well sound better... I would be keen to learn by what margin for each increase in dollar.

;-)

**bthomas9** · June 15, 2015, 10:06 AM

AURENDER - Reference Music System N10 landing page has info now.

Compatible FormatsDSD(DSF, DFF), WAV, FLAC, AIFF, ALAC, M4A, APE and othersBit and Sample RatesSPDIF : Up to 24-bit, 192kHz (PCM); 1-bit, 2.8MHz (DSD64)
USB : Depends on the DAC specifications (PCM);
1-bit, 2.8MHz (DSD64); 1-bit, 5.6MHz (DSD128)

User SoftwareAurender Conductor iPad App, Android App (Lite Version)

Solid-State Drive1 x 240 GBHard Disk Drives4TB (2 x 2TB) SPDIF ClockingFPGA-based All Digital Phase Locked LoopAudio ClockOCXODigital

Audio Outputs1 coaxial, 1 optical, 1 AES/EBU, 1 BNC, 1 USB Audio Class 2.0 Digital I/O1 Gigabit LAN, 2 x USB 2.0CPU

BoardProprietary Aurender BoardMain Memory4GBFinishSilver or Black

Dimensions430mm x 83mm x 353mm
16.93in x 3.27in x 13.9inWeight12kgs
26.4lb

**bpw** · June 15, 2015, 11:02 AM

People who attend our demonstrations next weekend (Saturday, June 27 and Sunday, June 28) of the Bricasti M1 DAC and M28 monoblock amplifiers with Bricasti Design president Brian Zolner here should also get to hear the Aurender N10 in the system. The sessions are RSVP and are filling up.

**a.wayne** · June 15, 2015, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by CDLehner

Yeah; and I'm typically in the less in more, when it comes to computer audio, camp. Hard drives make noise, make heat...break down, etc; no getting around that, no matter how good the implementation. That being said...there are some findings, about local files...versus those streamed over network; so perhaps there is worthwhile trade-off (though I think that remains to be seen).

Personally...$2500, vs. $8k; the difference in SQ would have to leap out, at me. I mean, that's like going to a $32,000 amp, from a $10,000 unit.

Thats not true regarding hardrive's, I have heard and seen HD that are amp quite , fast and have very little for heat , these are custom units and not cheap. My issue with them, well mostly , I have not heard one where I'm ready to abandon CD players for and get on the DAC/ software merry go round or give up the physical aspects of collecting music ..

regards

**Arcade** · June 21, 2015, 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by skolis

ok, thanks, and now I'm confused 'cuz i thought the X100L with 12 TB was about $3500 ( or maybe 3800, can't remember ) so why would I want the N10 for 8K? ( rhetorical question)

There is never a correlation between storage capacity and sound quality. I'd struggle to fill a 2TB drive let alone 4, but you can always increase storage, plus in an external USB, or stream from your NAS.

**bpw** · June 21, 2015, 10:07 PM

The Aurender N10 arrived here Friday morning, shown below on the left of the top shelf. From the interior photo you can see the two 2.5" hard drives and SSD caching drive arranged to the left of the three linear power supplies. I'll try to post some comments on the performance compared to the W20 (black, on the shelf below it) soon.

The N10 will be on demonstration in our sessions next Saturday and Sunday with Brian Zolner of Bricasti Design visiting. The M1 (pictured) and the M28 monoblock amplifiers will be playing. There is a bit of room available for people in both sessions, although by later in the week this may not be the case as we will limit attendance to 25 per day to avoid overcrowding. Please call or email for information.

**bluedoor** · June 23, 2015, 07:31 AM

Originally Posted by bigblue

Presently I am running an Oppo 105 as transport to my MSB analog dac. Very curious to see if these boxes will improve SQ. Ease of handling alone will not make me bring out the wallet at these price levels.

Which connection do you use? SPDIF or AES/EBU?

**asiufy** · June 23, 2015, 02:02 PM

bigblue,

As I reported elsewhere, the MSB Network Renderer was considerably better than the MSB UMT Plus (which uses Oppo software for its streaming functionality). And that is with the UMT Plus hooked up via I2S!

I'm pretty sure it'll sound quite a bit better than the Oppo in your setup!

alex

**bigblue** · June 24, 2015, 05:32 PM

At the moment I am running Spdif between the Oppo and my Analog Dav.
Great to hear about the good rewiews that the Renderer has had. Have not seen any my self.
I think it is a great product and I am looking forward trying it out. Preferably side by side with a N10.

**Alpinist** · June 24, 2015, 06:40 PM

Can you stream YouTube or a radio station such as WBGO Jazz with the N10? Does it have USB output?

Thanks,
Ken

**bpw** · June 24, 2015, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by Alpinist

Can you stream YouTube or a radio station such as WBGO Jazz with the N10? Does it have USB output?

Thanks,
Ken

The Aurenders have Tidal streaming capability built in, while other sources can be streamed via Apple AirPlay, so yes, no problem. The N10 has USB, AES/EBU, SPDIF, and Toslink outputs.

**Alpinist** · June 24, 2015, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by bpw

The Aurenders have Tidal streaming capability built in, while other sources can be streamed via Apple AirPlay, so yes, no problem. The N10 has USB, AES/EBU, SPDIF, and Toslink outputs.

Thanks Brian, much appreciated!

Ken

**bpw** · June 24, 2015, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by Alpinist

Thanks Brian, much appreciated!

Ken

Always glad to be of assistance! Any other questions, please ask.

**Mike** · June 24, 2015, 08:43 PM

My N10 demo shipped today.

**asiufy** · June 24, 2015, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by bigblue

At the moment I am running Spdif between the Oppo and my Analog Dav.
Great to hear about the good rewiews that the Renderer has had. Have not seen any my self.
I think it is a great product and I am looking forward trying it out. Preferably side by side with a N10.

Bigblue,

I was just reporting on my own findings

AFAIK, there isn't any formal review out there yet... Another reason why I wanted to chime in with a quick opinion!

We're getting an Aurender N10 in the store soon, so we'll be able to do that comparison, and add the Aries also!

If you're in SoCal, feel free to stop by!

Alex

**Perfect Sense** · June 25, 2015, 03:29 AM

The first shipment of N10 and N100H are on its way to Scandinavia as well - stay tuned

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