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    Aurender ACS10

    New Model - Aurender Content Server ACS10

    The long awaited ACS10 is almost here! Now in production, product will be begin arriving stateside in October. The ACS10 is a unique device designed to eliminate the reliance upon computers and other IT products in your file-based audio playback system. Its primary functions are what every audiophile needs to create and manage their media consolidated within a conventional looking audio component. Great attention was given to the ACS10’s simplicity and ease-of-use when performing the tasks at hand. Highly flexible, It can be used as a companion to an existing Aurender music server where it expands its feature set, or it can also be used as stand alone server / streamer. In this case its high-performance Audio 2.0 USB output just needs to connect to an external dac. For users seeking the functions of cd ripping, expanded library storage, RAID 1 mirroring and app-based metadata editing, the ACS10 is the ideal solution. ACS10 can be ordered in your choice of three configurations: 2 X 4TB / 240GB SSD caching, 2 X 8TB / 240GB SSD caching or 2 X 12TB / 480GB SSD caching. Please review the attached data sheet to learn more about this first-of-its-kind product from Aurender.

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    Re: Aurender ACS10

    More info:

    If you have the 4TB, you can upgrade the drives to 8TB (dealer/user swap). But the 12TB drives require more caching, so unless the drive specs change, if you want a 12TB, best to get it now with double the cache memory that the 12TB unit has now.

    The ACS has its own app for editing meta data, moving files, etc.

    The chassis is the same size as the N10 and comes in silver or black.

    You can move files from the N10 to the ACS for safe keeping with the RAID 1 (mirroring) protection or move files from the ACS to the N10.

    The media player is a little better sounding than the N100H as it features the latest USB isolation, etc. from Aurender.

    The ACS rips to Wav, FLAC, etc.

    The ACS works seamlessly with the Nimbie CD Loader:

    https://www.amazon.com/Acronova-Nimb.../dp/B00HQOOQCG


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    Re: Aurender ACS10

    Seems unnecessary, unless they can rip SACD.

    I’ve ripped the vast majority of my digital library with my MacBook and db power amp. Then I use Yate to make sure all the cover art, and tagging is perfect before putting it on my NAS and Aurender. And my NAS gets backed up to the cloud once a week so I’ll never lose anything.


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    Re: Aurender ACS10

    Quote Originally Posted by Phishphan View Post
    Seems unnecessary, unless they can rip SACD.

    I’ve ripped the vast majority of my digital library with my MacBook and db power amp. Then I use Yate to make sure all the cover art, and tagging is perfect before putting it on my NAS and Aurender. And my NAS gets backed up to the cloud once a week so I’ll never lose anything.
    Kyle.......I would wager the vast majority of digital disc libraries consist of redbook CD's. My CD library totals around 1650 and growing. My SACD library totals 56. My High-res download files total 71. My preference for spinning SACD's is to use my Esoteric K-01X. The performance when played directly from the SACD is outstanding. I have a number of friends with even larger CD libraries but similar size SACD libraries. They have SACD players in their sound systems just like me and are not unhappy with that playback option. Ripping SACD's is not a simple task and involves jumping through hoops to get it done. It is far easier to simply download DSD files from websites that offer such recordings. By and large there is no where near the music selection available on SACD when compared to CD. This is exactly why my CD library is over 26 times larger than my SACD library. I believe this is true for the majority of those with compact disc collections. It makes perfect sense that Aurender would offer a specialized music server that simplifies populating the hard drive with CD's. The option to use the ACS10 as a music bank in conjunction with Aurender's full line of music servers is icing on the cake.

    To me the new Aurender ACS10 is far from unnecessary. The fact that it does not rip SACD's is essentially a non issue for me. It's design purpose is clearly to make fast and simple the chore of ripping CD's, providing enormous storage space for the largest of CD libraries, while at the same time offering RAID 1 mirroring. Additionally, the fact that the ACS10 can be used in a sound system as a stand alone music server is an additional plus for someone who may not already own an Aurender music server. I think the Aurender ACS10 is a remarkable product from a company with a solid reputation of developing astonishing music servers with an amazing control app, and delivering fast and friendly customer service. Honestly, what's not like about that?


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    Aurender ACS10

    This is very intriguing for me. I LOVE the simplicity of ACS ripping new CDs to my collection which resides on a N10 (8TB). I also love the easy, worry free mirroring of everything currently on my N10 as well as all future additions. A really really nice product. I’m glad to see this finally come to fruition after what seems to be couple years in development since I first heard about it. My only wish is that it was about half the asking price to make it a no brainer! At $6k, I have other priorities but it doesn’t stop me from wanting it! About 98% of my collection is already ripped using a iMac w/ external Super drive and XLD software. The one thing that might push me over the edge is IF there is any way the ACS10 rip would actually sound better than my iMac made rips, unlikely but one never knows in this hobby.

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    Re: Aurender ACS10

    What is the purpose of the two non-isolated LAN ports on the back of the unit? I have looked at Aurender’s documentation and it doesn’t mention them
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    Re: Aurender ACS10

    I believe they are there to daisy chain multiple ACS10 together for those with really large collections (?!)

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    Re: Aurender ACS10

    I read on a site the following: "Three LAN Ports (one double isolated, two isolated) allow connection to a router, to an Aurender music server, or to daisy-chain another ACS10". I wonder if you can connect an N100H to the ACS10 using a direct LAN connection. The Aurender website is no information on this.
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    Re: Aurender ACS10

    I emailed Aurender regarding the two extra LAN ports and if I could connect a LAN cable directly to either my Aurender X100L or N100H - their reply was 'Yes, that’s exactly what it means. And, it will sound a little better vs. if it were connected to a router with noisy power supply'
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    Re: Aurender ACS10

    I just received mine. I'll let you know how it all works out. Thanks Mike!!!
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    Re: Aurender ACS10

    Looks like a nice gadget, but for my own purposes I feel it might be hitting the market a bit late. This is as my digital collection is already ripped since a decade ago.

    What would add something new, would be vinyl ripping capability and inclusion of better audio ripping formats like DSD.


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    Re: Aurender ACS10

    I have received a barely used ACS-10. Got a very good deal on the 2X8TB version from a guy that bought it new, but decided he needed to down size. I have been copying files to it using a direct network connection from my Aurender X100L to the ACS-10. I did listen to some tracks briefly, but didn't listen enough to determine anything other than it sounded at least as good as my N100H and X100L. The original owner had maybe 10 hours on the unit, so some burn in may be required.

    You can't listen to music on the ACS-10 when copying files so I will have to wait to do more listening, but first listening impressions are I can sell either my N100H or X100L to recoup some of the cost of the ACS-10.

    I will report back in a couple of days with more initial thoughts. I'm not an audiophile, nor do I have golden ears so my review of the sound of the ACS-10 won't probably be helpful to most.

    The unit is well built, the ripping functionality is fast, but there are issues with copying files and the smart sync functionality. I have started the copy process from the ACS application multiple times and the process of copying files from my X100L has either locked up, paused with a "waiting" message, or displays copy complete when it didn't complete. I have sent a couple of messages to Aurender yesterday outlining these issues, but haven't heard back.

    You would think that copying files would be a core set of functionality that would work out of the box. Again, I have the X100L connected directly to the ACS-10 via a CAT6 ethernet cable. The ACS-10 has one LAN port for connection to your router, and two additional LAN ports for connection to additional ACS-10s or other Aurender devices. I tried switching out the ethernet cables to no avail.

    I tried the Smart Sync option initially where the contents of an external Aurender device's library/database are supposed to be incorporated into the ACS-10's database. It didn't seem to work on the first attempt. It does it in the background supposedly, but there is no indication anything is happening and the library on the ACS-10 didn't seem to display much of what was on the X100H.

    Lastly, the ACS-10's standalone application leaves a lot to be desired. It needs work, it needs to be more user friendly when it comes to the system's status when copying files, syncing to other Aurender databases, and the processes that are running. Several times when using the Conductor application I could see the ACS-10, X100L, and N100H as available Aurender devices, but I couldn't connect the ACS-10. I would get an error that the IP address couldn't be found (even though a status message in Conductor quickly displayed showing the ACS-10 IP address). The ACS-10 was on my network, the ACS-10 was displaying the IP address on its display, and I could ping the ACS-10. I had to do a soft shutdown (hold the button on the front of the device) and want 2-3 minutes while it shutdown, then push the button again to restart the ACS-10, then wait 2-3 minutes while it started back up. I could then connect to it via Conductor. By the way the startup/shutdown process is very slow!

    The above problem and the others I have mentioned above make me hesitant to recommend the ACS-10 and gives me some buyer's remorse. Hopefully Aurender will work to fix the problems quickly as it has a lot of potential, especially if the streamer sounds better than the N100H and comes close to the N10.
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    Re: Aurender ACS10

    Audiostream article that talks about the ACS10
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    Re: Aurender ACS10

    I reached out to Aurender about the file copy problem mentioned in a previous post. They said the X100L I was copying from had issues as the result of being powered down improperly. Not sure I remember doing that, but they were able fix it remotely and I was able to resume copying files to the ACS with out issue.

    As for as the network connectivity issue it seems to have gone away for the most part after Aurender recommended I delete the app from my iPad and reboot the iPad. I have gotten a connection failed error a couple of times since while using the Conductor app, but the second attempt to connect works. I have never seen a connection problem connecting to the my N100H or X100L from the Conductor app.

    In regards to the ACS application, unless I’m missing something the ACS10 doesn’t seem to allow you to remove files, move files or search for duplicates. I would think these functions would be part of the core functionality available on a content server. Am I crazy for expecting this?

    The library sync function with a connected Aurender device is confusing and doesn’t seem to be implemented well. And any Aurender user knows that Aurender’s documentation often leaves something to be desired.

    After saying all that, and after 100 hours of playing time it is sounding very good and is equal to or better than the N100, but the ACS Manager application looks like it was thrown together quickly. Again, why can’t I delete files, why is the ACS interface so slow, and don’t get me started on the ACS application’s design.

    i hope Aurender gets it together before one of the reviewers gets one. I can’t imagine in its current state it would be reviewed favorably, although I’m not above believing that my expectations don’t align with reality.

    Aurender has developed a platform with great potential, but I was expecting more. Sometimes more might be unrealistic, but I can hope.
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    Re: Aurender ACS10

    I had and ACS on loan from a friend for about a month and really liked it, but agree on most of your points. It is being sold as a standalone server, but the inability to delete files etc. from the actual folder structure is a major, major flaw...especially if you are want to re-rip albums that are already in your library. It ultimately still requires a computer on the network to be a complete solution. Not a problem for me, but definitely a problem if that's not what you were expecting. Beyond that, the next biggest problem, unless it has been corrected by the most recent update, is that you can't store your files on an N10 and ACS at the same time or all your albums appear twice. So much for the ACS as a backup, if you have to wipe out your N10 or other Aurender server.

    That said, I think it is a great product, that worked great and sounded great. I wish I had one. The problems can be addressed with simple software changes, but they better get right on it.

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    Re: Aurender ACS10

    Wow both of those issues are non-starters for me as an N10 owner. I will sit on the sidelines and wait to see if Aurender will address both these issues with updates. They have been planning the ACS10 for years, it is surprising it has these kind of limitations which hampers its utility.


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    Re: Aurender ACS10

    Save yourselves time and headaches: Nothing can beat a computer with ripping software (like DBPoweramp) and metadata software (like mp3tag).

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    Re: Aurender ACS10

    I really like the simplicity and functionality of the ACS10. I think over time Aurender will fix some of the niggly issues users are mentioning above. Keep the feedback coming (to Aurender). They are listening!
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    Re: Aurender ACS10

    it appears the statement below means no duplicates in the library?

    From Aurender’s website “ACS10’s SmartMerge feature will identify a network attached W20/N10/A10/N100H/N100C or X100L and allow user to see content from both libraries combined into one. (can only be used 1+1, one ACS10 and one Aurender music server).”
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    Aurender ACS10

    Quote Originally Posted by Projectman View Post
    it appears the statement below means no duplicates in the library?

    From Aurender’s website “ACS10’s SmartMerge feature will identify a network attached W20/N10/A10/N100H/N100C or X100L and allow user to see content from both libraries combined into one. (can only be used 1+1, one ACS10 and one Aurender music server).”
    One would think/expect no duplicates ... but that statement is valid with or without duplicating same album in conductor app if same album resides on N10 for instance and ACS used to back up the N10. Makes no sense but it seems to me, based on user experience, that if I copied my N10 library to the ACS then the conductor app would see the library twice (n10 and acs) and dutifully display all albums from both units, duplicates and all. If that’s the case, it’s a severely broken system.


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    Re: Aurender ACS10

    Quote Originally Posted by Projectman View Post
    it appears the statement below means no duplicates in the library?

    From Aurender’s website “ACS10’s SmartMerge feature will identify a network attached W20/N10/A10/N100H/N100C or X100L and allow user to see content from both libraries combined into one. (can only be used 1+1, one ACS10 and one Aurender music server).”
    Quote Originally Posted by j3brow View Post
    One would think/expect no duplicates ... but that statement is valid with or without duplicating same album in conductor app if same album resides on N10 for instance and ACS used to back up the N10. Makes no sense but it seems to me, based on user experience, that if I copied my N10 library to the ACS then the conductor app would see the library twice (n10 and acs) and dutifully display all albums from both units, duplicates and all. If that’s the case, it’s a severely broken system.
    The N10 and ACS10 work very well together. They do indeed form a single seamless library in the Conductor App. The library shows all of the albums on your hard drives - if for some reason you have more than one copy of the same album stored of course it will show them all. I have lots of duplicate albums - in many cases they are different versions of the album but sometimes it's just that I've accidentally saved more than one copy of the same exact album. I don't expect the Aurender to know the difference. There is music management software out there that can locate exact duplicates like PerfectTUNES. I haven't tried running that from my PC against the Aurender files so I don't know if it's possible. And maybe someday Aurender will add built-in duplication detection. But not having it is by no means a major issue as far as I'm concerned.

    Why on earth would you use the ACS10 as a backup device? That's what an external hard drive or NAS is for.
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    Aurender ACS10

    Quote Originally Posted by The Sandman View Post
    Why on earth would you use the ACS10 as a backup device? That's what an external hard drive or NAS is for.

    Other than ripping new cds, a main reason I would want a ACS10 is because it is a backup device. It’s a key feature for me. Automatic backup of my N10 whenever new music shows up either via my home network/computer or via the acs10 cd drive. We have a disconnect regarding duplicate albums. I’m not talking about owning same album with 6 different masterings, vinyl rips, hi-res etc; but the entire library being duplicated in conductor app IF one uses the ACS10 as a back up device for the files on the N10. I don’t know if that would actually happen but surmising it from other users here. Please correct me if I am misunderstanding. My N10 has 8TB and I have less than 4TB of music, I don’t see filling up the internal storage of my N10 for a very long time, if ever so I don’t need the ACS10 to expand storage capabilities for my music collection but rather to give me a simple automatic copy of my collection for peace of mind. And to rip new cds mindlessly. Of course I haven’t bought one because it’s A LOT to pay for only those purposes. Being able to edit metadata via the app is also a huge bonus I have long wanted.




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    The ACS10 comes from the factory in a RAID1 configuration, which makes it a great way to keep relatively secure copies of your library. The ACS10 is also available as a NAS on your LAN allowing it to be synced to other NAS or network storage devices
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    I wanted to go the Aurender route SOOO bad, but their staunch opposition to Roon and their reliance on their own conductor app kept me away.
    Why should I have multiple libraries when I can have a single library that tells me if I have any duplicates and allows me to hide them if I choose to? Why put up with meh ripping capabilities and so so metadata management?

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    I have to say the ripping capabilities are fast (faster then DBpoweramp on my 2017 iMac i7) and you can choose among several file formats (FLAC, WAV or AIFF). I’m also pleased with the ACS10’s metadata capabilities. The ACS10 has done a great job of finding cover art and accurate metadata for various songs and albums in my library.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Projectman View Post
    I have to say the ripping capabilities are fast (faster then DBpoweramp on my 2017 iMac i7) and you can choose among several file formats (FLAC, WAV or AIFF). I’m also pleased with the ACS10’s metadata capabilities. The ACS10 has done a great job of finding cover art and accurate metadata for various songs and albums in my library.
    Faster is definitely not better when it comes to ripping. The fastest ripping I ever did were faulty. You want the software to be able to check for accuracy (like accuraterip) and slow down and redo the ripping to make sure you have a bit perfect rip.
    Also I never found ANY ripping software (including DBP) that gives you accurate metadata all of the time. You NEED dedicated software to fix the metadata.
    Something got to give. These machines that include ripping capabilities are convenient. But they lack accuracy in both ripping and metadata. I much rather spend a little more time doing the ripping, doing it once, and the ability to fix the metadata because at some point it HAS to be fixed.

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    I would doubt that Aurender would sell a cd ripper at this price if it wasn’t bit perfect. Just because slow was better for you in the past does not mean the ACS10 does a bad job

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    I have an ACS10 now.

    There is a setting to detect and skip duplicates but I'm not sure if that applies to other Aurender models attached. You all may know, but, there are two apps for the ACS10. One is the Conductor and the other is just for the ripping settings.

    I am extremely happy with the result of ripped CD's via the ACS10. The overall sound quality is unbelievably good. With the ACS10 at the heart of my system it's sounding better than it ever has. I can now appreciate, or, recognize the ability of my Levinson DAC.

    The ACS10 is $2k more than the music server it replaced, and the step up in performance is way more than that. The ACS10 literally shamed it.

    A couple questions if anyone knows. At the bottom of the screen where it gives the options to "save", "Clear" or "edit" your playlist you are playing from, what does the "consume" button do? I'm not sure if that is a word or symbol but it's what the iPad says when my finger lands there.

    And, when using the search box, is there a way to clear the box without using the delete to take out each letter?
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    Looking at the Conductor app guide their are only three selections at the bottom of the playlist window clear, save and edit and nothing else. On the search window there should be an X on the far right of the window to clear it.
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    I'll look harder for that X, that would really help.

    In the row of buttons I have one other, maybe it's only on the most recent versions of Conductor. It only gives a choice of on/off but I can't tell it does anything. I'll refresh my memory shortly but I think the button says "consume"

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Looking at the Conductor app guide their are only three selections at the bottom of the playlist window clear, save and edit and nothing else. On the search window there should be an X on the far right of the window to clear it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Peabody View Post
    At the bottom of the screen where it gives the options to "save", "Clear" or "edit" your playlist you are playing from, what does the "consume" button do?

    IIRC the consume button will remove the song from the playlist after it finishes playing the file. So by the time you get to the bottom of playlist, there is no playlist.




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    Re: Aurender ACS10

    Projectman, I found out there is an update to the CMedia chip for our DAC's, this may be of interest if using the USB input. You can check the download tab on your 585 web page.
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