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    Re: Spock system (the importance of fine tuning)

    Sr. Fernando, sempre na procura do Santo Graal ��
    Então e esses tweeters (os seus) já estão operacionais?
    Presumo que sim, excelentes notícias portanto.
    Um abraço
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    Olá Vitor,

    Sim, já está tudo bem obrigado. Daí andar novamente activo nestas coisas do áudio.
    O sistema é que é sempre o mesmo. Mas mexendo aqui e ali o desempenho lá vai melhorando.

    Grande abraço

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    Great news!

    Fico genuinamente satisfeito de saber!

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    Ok, I think this is the end of presentation…

    FUSES

    I tried several as you can see. Bussman; AMR, AHP; Hifi Tuning; Synergistic Research; Audiofidem (*) and Audio Magic (**)



    And my option was… Audio Magic!

    Audiofidem (made by a friend of mine) are wonderful too. They are absolutely neutral. But Audio Magic, in my system, have a more bodied sound. Lyngdorf sound is a little cold so they match perfectly. I guess Audiofidem will be perfect in those systems with lots a bass and even a little dark sound.

    (*) http://allforhifi.com/index.php?id_c...oller=category

    (**) https://store.jaguaraudiodesign.com/...-liquid-fuses/

    Best fuses: Audio Magic (Super) and Audiofidem (Blackfidem). Both brands are way ahead of others.

    Best Buy: AMR (a bargain). AHP has a close sound but a little more expensive.

    Hifi Tuning and Synergistic Research – don´t work on my system.

    Bussman – a little better than the regular ones.

    … yes, lots of audiophiles just don´t believe in fuses! Each one makes their choices!

    Live!

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    Fuses are the one thing I have not played just because then I talked to Nordost in regards to the fuse in the QB MK II power distribution.

    They indicated I was already set on the high quality spec’d fuse they incorporate and don’t need to worry about it and also include a spare which I find odd they didn’t charge for like everything else.


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    I already had the opportunity to try the Quantum (QRT4) in my system and just loved the effect. Probably this results from the use of a good fuse.


    As for those, I changed one in the CD player, one in the pre and two in the power (one in the power zone and another in the capacitors zone).


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    After answering I saw this in the QRTBASE features

    Dimensions (WxHxD): 460 x 63 x 120mm
    Input: 15A IEC
    Output: US, Schuko or 13A UK
    Fuse: None

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spock View Post
    I already had the opportunity to try the Quantum (QRT4) in my system and just loved the effect. Probably this results from the use of a good fuse.


    As for those, I changed one in the CD player, one in the pre and two in the power (one in the power zone and another in the capacitors zone).


    Note:
    After answering I saw this in the QRTBASE features

    Dimensions (WxHxD): 460 x 63 x 120mm
    Input: 15A IEC
    Output: US, Schuko or 13A UK
    Fuse: None
    Maybe Version 1 has no fuse, mine does and this is from their site;

    SPECIFICATIONS

    Dimensions (WxHxD):


    QB4 (US, EU and AUS) – 234 x 67 x 120mm
    QB6 (UK ) – 460 x 67 x 120mm
    QB8 (US, EU and AUS) – 460 x 67 x 120mm
    Input:

    C-14 IEC (15/10amp)
    C-20 IEC (20/16amp) (QB8 and QB6 Only)
    Output: US, EU (Schuko), Australian or 13A UK
    Fuse: Yes

    And a picture of mine




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    I saw on the website of the portuguese dealer. The information is probably out of date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spock View Post
    I saw on the website of the portuguese dealer. The information is probably out of date.
    No problem, that’s why we are all here to learn, and share Spock system (the importance of fine tuning)


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    I almost forgot about the subwoofer (Martin Logan Dynamo)
    Perhaps because it took me some time to assume that it is indispensable.
    It's good?
    They say yes, but I confess that I have never had another or made comparisons of subwoofers.
    One thing I can say to those who only use one: there is no other place than the center of the speakers. The position of a subwoofer is as indifferent as cables are...


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    Well, I´ll be thinking about vibrations so i decide to try a different rubber under the gear (CD and Pre)




    And i swear things got a little better.


    (there´s a fog in the air but is coming from the tlevision )

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    May i shout?

    It´s all about clean power and vibrations control.

    Last weekend did some more experiences with the feet of the gear.
    One can smile but i tell you: a lifetime can even not be enough to choose the perfect match
    My best sound so far

    And i feel like it is Christmas time


    delicate


    or frightening

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    Re: Spock system (the importance of fine tuning)

    Spock, so many don’t address power at the source and omit consideration towns vibration. If your foundation is not solid, your house crumbles.


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    That´s my point.
    Of course, good gear makes the difference. but they do even more if they have solved / improved the power and the vibrations.


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    I don't get video. What does it mean on my phone. You also posted 3 video that are basically black. I can't see anything. Were you trying to show the sound change between 3 different materials.

    I am interested in what your finding with footers. Your onto rubber of some density. Have you tried cones, beads, blocks. I can't do pictures on Audioshark but I have tied plywood, corian, beads, felts and insulation. The components tell me what they want. There is definitely a gain when used right. Done wrong they rob various artifacts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingrex View Post
    ...You also posted 3 video that are basically black. I can't see anything. Were you trying to show the sound change between 3 different materials.

    ...The components tell me what they want. There is definitely a gain when used right. Done wrong they rob various artifacts.
    Hi Kingrex


    The vídeos are “black” because i made them at night, almost without light (only tv)
    Try to "see" in a computer with some headphones. I think you can compare with my other vídeos and notice the global improvement. Yes, i think the camera caught the improvement.
    I chose 3 different types of music to show the liquidity and separation of the voices, the extension and harmonics in the high frequencies and the power of the bass that makes me now be very, very careful with the volume.
    You are completely right when you say that the components tell us what they want. A friend of mine says that “sounds acquires the characteristics of the materials we use" and is completely right too. What i recently found is they don´t like soft materials, like soft rubber etc.
    I challenge everyone to discover what is best for them. For example, if we talk about speakers supports it depends a lot on the type of floor that each house has. Everyone should try by themselves!

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    This is some of what I use. I cut corian into 1.5" squares. I dimple the top and put a soft bead in the center. The bead material matters a lot. I use Drusey. Lava is similar. My preamps like a bead. The server and dac do not like the bead. They like a piece of insulation under the square. All my front end gear likes a corian base on top of my rack material. Except my preamp. It liked a piece of dense plywood, with a bead on the corian square. My phono preamp has felt under the corian on top of the rack. My amps are on 2" thick acrylic platforms.

    I don't mass load the tops of anything. But my TT power supply sits on my server top. It is kind of heavy with rubber feet. I don't hear any negative effects with it on my server. I don't hear any positive either. I have gotten away with trying all sorts of feet combinations with all my gear for maybe $100. And they make a very big gain in performance.

    Keep up the post. I love to see tweaks that work.
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    …always trying something...
    I made some "design" on the rubber that stays under the stones that are under the speakers and subwoofer.
    And i think it's better not make contact across all the surface.



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    Re: Spock system (the importance of fine tuning)

    Send a close up. What type of rubber?

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    I'm already trying other material but here it is..



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    I must confess that i never cease to be surprised by the difference that different materials make in sound.
    And when it´s about the contact area of the speakers with the floor is a never ending story.
    Now I tried silicone. The one that we found in kitchen accessories. (*)
    ... And everything became quiet in the stage, cleaner and more timbrically accurate

    (*) the colors were what was there ...



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    A double base in the sub





    Can you hear any difference?




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    It's official!
    The mids are much more clearer and cleaner.


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    From all the Portuguese music (Fado in particular) I assume that you must be from Portugal. Great country, btw, visited a couple of years ago.

    Don’t you find the video distracting when listening to music alone (that is, when not playing a music video)?

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    You got it!
    I'm glad to know that you visited and liked Portugal.
    Speaking of "Fado"... As you can "see", I like almost all types of music. In fact, maybe only hip hop / rap doesn't really fit my preferences.

    As for television, I agree that it is distracting.
    In more "serious" auditions, I turn off the television.

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    A friend of mine bought a Micromega Stage2 and lent it to me.
    Without loosing time, I liked it.
    A sound that some owners of this CD player classify as analog because it has no edge of aggressiveness and no trace of jitter.
    Very detailed with very correct tone. I would live very well with this CD player.
    Compared to my Lyngdorf, he loses only by a more backward presentation. I like a more projected sound.

    https://www.audioshark.org/attachmen...1&d=1612224874
    https://www.audioshark.org/attachmen...1&d=1612224867

    Simultaneously, i had a chance to try a new DIY interconnect cable made by a friend of mine. A very, very clean cable, detailed with no flaws, be it in the reproduction of instruments be it in voices. Great.

    So good that its impact on the sound of the system was much more noticeable than that of the CD player. Yes, changing a cable can make more difference than changing the source.

    https://www.audioshark.org/attachmen...1&d=1612225031
    https://www.audioshark.org/attachmen...1&d=1612225041

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    Below you can see my Infinity RS6001 after the drivers were restored and the horrible plastic base was replaced by a solid wood one.
    I left these speakers many years ago in search of something more. I found. However, there is something so right about reproducing music through these speakers that I have to listen to them from time to time. I´m glad i never sold them. And now I decided that it was time to repair the drivers and put a decent base on them.

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    Does it sound better?



    Find out what is missing
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    Giving new life to old audio stuff that was forgotten.
    Now I have recovered my Sennheiser HD430

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    Definitely better without spikes!



    I was already on the right track when I made the inverted cones. The idea was that the vertex should be upwards and have a good contact area on both sides. They were an excellent experience. They overcame those of the speaker itself. Perhaps what failed was the material. I think steel is not the best. But either way, now I’m going to move on to a flat solution.
    It will take some time due to COVID19.
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    Spock, I've still not read everything here but you've got some good stuff going on. Nice choice on music and I'd be interested to know what you're using to recording these in-room sessions.

    Many of your in-room videos sound pretty stellar, thought eh 2001 A Space Odyssey had some strange sounding bass. Not sure why because it did not seem present in the other videos.

    Anyway, you are soooo right about how every little tweak matters. In my opinion, all the individual tweaks amount to a solid foundation for which the components are able to perform far closer to their optimal levels. As you've clearly made evident by your videos.

    Excellent job. I perceived tho art an animal striving for the best. It's so good to see one perform such due diligence. As an old friend once said, the best thing one can spend on their system is time. You've demonstrated that here repeatedly.
    "The more I dabble with extreme forms of electrical mgmt and extreme forms of vibration mgmt, the more I’m convinced it’s all just variations of managing mechanical energy. Or was it all just variations of managing electrical energy? No, it’s all just variations of managing mechanical energy. No, wait. It's all just variations of managing electrical energy" -me

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    Thank you for your kind words.
    First, you may not believe, but I use a Xiaomi Redmi Pro.

    Now, the search of the Holy Grail...
    It is my belief that in life, if you seek excellence (whatever it is) you have to dedicate yourself.
    I started when one day when I was surprised by the difference that an interconnect cable made in my audio system at the time. Then I thought: hey, there is something more to interfere in the final result of what we hear...

    A fundamental thing is also to understand where you want to go and how to listen.
    One day I bought a speaker cable that did not satisfy me at all, and, as it had not been expensive, I decided to use it in experiments. I separated the conductors that came in a spiral. The sound became thin, without bass. But on the other hand it became more open, extended at high frequencies and more dynamic. Interesting. From then on, I could not do without these improvements. But what about the bass? I joined the spiral conductors together again. And the bass came back! Ah, well, listening better is not really bass, it is more of a shadow, a dark and diffuse sound that gives body to the music but does not identify the instrument that produces it. And now, what to do?

    It goes on and on today ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by UltraFast69 View Post
    Spock, so many don’t address power at the source and omit consideration towns vibration. If your foundation is not solid, your house crumbles.


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    Are you and Spock from Mars? I'm joking of course. I've been saying for years how electrical and mechanical energies are managed whether inferior or superior make up the foundation for every last playback system. And as in perhaps every other industry it is the foundation that determines the performance level of everything above the foundation. An inferior foundation creates a universal performance-limiting governor that ensure our components can only operate at their base performance levels whereas a superior foundation allows our components to perform far closer to their optimal levels. Levels that even their designers could only dream of.

    As such, I've also been saying that the electrical and mechanical (vibrational) products, well the superior ones, are not accessories in the least. In fact, superior version of these products are the minimal requirements for any playback system and it is the components themselves that have become the accessories.

    So nice to read about others also realizing this. I figure the industry will catch on in about 50 more years.
    "The more I dabble with extreme forms of electrical mgmt and extreme forms of vibration mgmt, the more I’m convinced it’s all just variations of managing mechanical energy. Or was it all just variations of managing electrical energy? No, it’s all just variations of managing mechanical energy. No, wait. It's all just variations of managing electrical energy" -me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spock View Post
    Thank you for your kind words.
    First, you may not believe, but I use a Xiaomi Redmi Pro.

    Now, the search of the Holy Grail...
    It is my belief that in life, if you seek excellence (whatever it is) you have to dedicate yourself.
    I started when one day when I was surprised by the difference that an interconnect cable made in my audio system at the time. Then I thought: hey, there is something more to interfere in the final result of what we hear...

    A fundamental thing is also to understand where you want to go and how to listen.
    One day I bought a speaker cable that did not satisfy me at all, and, as it had not been expensive, I decided to use it in experiments. I separated the conductors that came in a spiral. The sound became thin, without bass. But on the other hand it became more open, extended at high frequencies and more dynamic. Interesting. From then on, I could not do without these improvements. But what about the bass? I joined the spiral conductors together again. And the bass came back! Ah, well, listening better is not really bass, it is more of a shadow, a dark and diffuse sound that gives body to the music but does not identify the instrument that produces it. And now, what to do?

    It goes on and on today ...
    Very interesting, Spock. You've gone further down the path of R&D than perhaps any other - except for me maybe? Your approach to extreme forms of electrical and mechanical energy mgmt seems a bit contrary to my own. But still, it's quite evident that you're got a rather musical playback presentation that few others can approach. You've got the recording side down too and that in itself is no easy feat. What microphone do you use? I'm using an iPhone 12 pro and a small Shure MV88 stereo condenser mic that plugs directly into the iPhone.

    Awesome and congratulations on your achievements. BTW, our biggest difference appears to be in our chosen vibration mgmt methodologies. You seem to be adhering to the isolation methodology while I'm 110% committed to the resonant energy transfer methodology. But the fact that your playback system's performance is at the level it is has me in a state of disbelief. For what it's worth, I never ever mention isolation in a positive light. So I'm a bit puzzled.

    I think I hear some questionable areas surrounding the bass. Sometimes your videos are pretty good with the bass and other times not so good. My hunch is this has nothing to do with your methods or discoveries but may have everything to do with your speaker placement / tuning within the room. IMO, exreme forms of electrical and mechanical energy mgmt will drastically improve everything about a playback system's level of musicality. Except for a speaker superior positioning within a room to tightly couple acoustically. A playback system's electronics induced noise floor fixes everything except the speaker's acoustic coupling to the room. These are two different noise floors that cover two parts of the playback vineyard with very little overlap into the other's part of the vineyard. But when are sufficiently addressed, we've got everything. IMO of course.

    Nevertheless, one of these days we'll have to compare notes.
    "The more I dabble with extreme forms of electrical mgmt and extreme forms of vibration mgmt, the more I’m convinced it’s all just variations of managing mechanical energy. Or was it all just variations of managing electrical energy? No, it’s all just variations of managing mechanical energy. No, wait. It's all just variations of managing electrical energy" -me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stehno View Post
    What microphone do you use? I'm using an iPhone 12 pro and a small Shure MV88 stereo condenser mic that plugs directly into the iPhone.
    Xiaomi Redmi Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by Stehno View Post
    I think I hear some questionable areas surrounding the bass. Sometimes your videos are pretty good with the bass and other times not so good.
    You got it!
    Bass is the heaviest subject of the audio. The bass I am looking for gives structure to the music, gives an harmonic envelope even to the highs, but does not pollute. To find this bass... That's why now I´m working around the speakers feet, replacing the spikes...

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    My Infinity came back to life.
    Playing at my parents' house, with modest Nad C320 and C520.
    (Some distortion in the bass is because the camera does not support it)


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