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  1. #101
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    Re: Built for the love of music...

    Had to pull a few pictures down tonight; they'll be back in the future, hopefully sooner rather than later. Thanks to Mike B. for the help!
    Legacy Audio VALOR with Wavelet V2, Legacy i.V4 ULTRA 4ch amp, HDPlex 300W LPSU, RevAudio Labs Passage Cryo-silver DC Umbilical,Ghent Audio DC Umbilical, Esoteric Grandioso P1 & D1s, Cybershaft Premium Ltd Type2 OP21A 10 MHz Clock, Esoteric C-02X Preamp, SHUNYATA TRITON v3, TYPHON QR & ALTAIRA SG hub & cables, AfterBurner8 duplexes, CSP Inc Q4B, S2B IEC support plates, Shunyata OMEGA CLOCK-50s, AQ Firebird 48 HDMIs, Elrod Master Series Diamond & Masters Series Statement Gold Power cords, Elrod Statement Gold XLRs, Diamond XLRs & Master Diamond XLRs, Shunyata OMEGA QR-s power cable, Shunyata Anaconda Z-tron XLR, Elrod Statement Gold speaker cables, Adona AV45CS3, AV45CS2 & AV45CS1 and Multi-Element platforms, Composite Audio CF-2010, HRS DPX Damping Plates, Stillpoints Ultra SS w/Ultra Bases

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  2. #102
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    Re: Built for the love of music...

    Quote Originally Posted by SCAudiophile View Post
    ....and D1 stack...
    You do realize that is begging to be upgraded to a D1X stack.
    Speakers: Magico M3, Q3, ACC, S-SUB | Electronics: Esoteric Grandioso | Amplification: Halcro |
    Analog cables: Crystal Cable | Digital cables: Shunyata Sigma | Rack: YG Acoustics Rack 1.4
    and YG Acoustics Rack 1.1 amp stands (pair)

    On the wish list: Esoteric Grandioso D1X. Shunyata Research Everest.

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    Re: Built for the love of music...

    Quote Originally Posted by SCAudiophile View Post
    Had to pull a few pictures down tonight...
    Yeah, I thought you were skating on thin ice with pics of that top secret stuff from the Shunyata skunk works.
    Speakers: Magico M3, Q3, ACC, S-SUB | Electronics: Esoteric Grandioso | Amplification: Halcro |
    Analog cables: Crystal Cable | Digital cables: Shunyata Sigma | Rack: YG Acoustics Rack 1.4
    and YG Acoustics Rack 1.1 amp stands (pair)

    On the wish list: Esoteric Grandioso D1X. Shunyata Research Everest.

  4. #104
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    Re: Built for the love of music...

    Quote Originally Posted by SCAudiophile View Post
    Wagner, Shostakovich, Mahler, Bruckner, Beethoven, the list of favorites that fit that description of most challenging goes on and on!
    You're a classical music guy?
    Cool. Get to attend live in Greenville area?

  5. #105
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    Re: Built for the love of music...

    Quote Originally Posted by brodricj View Post
    You do realize that is begging to be upgraded to a D1X stack.
    Possibly but having heard both and how this performs cabled up as I have it here, I do not feel like I'm missing anything sonically in terms
    of quality, just another presentation style.

    You know us audio nuts though,....never say never :-)
    Legacy Audio VALOR with Wavelet V2, Legacy i.V4 ULTRA 4ch amp, HDPlex 300W LPSU, RevAudio Labs Passage Cryo-silver DC Umbilical,Ghent Audio DC Umbilical, Esoteric Grandioso P1 & D1s, Cybershaft Premium Ltd Type2 OP21A 10 MHz Clock, Esoteric C-02X Preamp, SHUNYATA TRITON v3, TYPHON QR & ALTAIRA SG hub & cables, AfterBurner8 duplexes, CSP Inc Q4B, S2B IEC support plates, Shunyata OMEGA CLOCK-50s, AQ Firebird 48 HDMIs, Elrod Master Series Diamond & Masters Series Statement Gold Power cords, Elrod Statement Gold XLRs, Diamond XLRs & Master Diamond XLRs, Shunyata OMEGA QR-s power cable, Shunyata Anaconda Z-tron XLR, Elrod Statement Gold speaker cables, Adona AV45CS3, AV45CS2 & AV45CS1 and Multi-Element platforms, Composite Audio CF-2010, HRS DPX Damping Plates, Stillpoints Ultra SS w/Ultra Bases

    Audio/Rip Travel Setup: Apple MacBook Pro 15” 2019, 6-core i9, 32 GB RAM, 1 TB SSD, Audirvana+ v3, iTunes, REW for MacOS, dbPowerAmp, DVD Audio Extractor

  6. #106
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    Re: Built for the love of music...

    Quote Originally Posted by AJ Soundfield View Post
    You're a classical music guy?
    Cool. Get to attend live in Greenville area?
    I definitely love classical as well as many other genres....I have been to hear the Greenville Symphony many times since 2007 and they have evolved
    a few levels up in repertoire, quality, etc....started out very good and now tackle the big works (Mahler, and others) very credibly. I also
    like what the Music Director has brought about. i've also seen BB King, and some other great concerts at the Peace Center as well as
    much local talent at various venues here and in Asheville...
    Legacy Audio VALOR with Wavelet V2, Legacy i.V4 ULTRA 4ch amp, HDPlex 300W LPSU, RevAudio Labs Passage Cryo-silver DC Umbilical,Ghent Audio DC Umbilical, Esoteric Grandioso P1 & D1s, Cybershaft Premium Ltd Type2 OP21A 10 MHz Clock, Esoteric C-02X Preamp, SHUNYATA TRITON v3, TYPHON QR & ALTAIRA SG hub & cables, AfterBurner8 duplexes, CSP Inc Q4B, S2B IEC support plates, Shunyata OMEGA CLOCK-50s, AQ Firebird 48 HDMIs, Elrod Master Series Diamond & Masters Series Statement Gold Power cords, Elrod Statement Gold XLRs, Diamond XLRs & Master Diamond XLRs, Shunyata OMEGA QR-s power cable, Shunyata Anaconda Z-tron XLR, Elrod Statement Gold speaker cables, Adona AV45CS3, AV45CS2 & AV45CS1 and Multi-Element platforms, Composite Audio CF-2010, HRS DPX Damping Plates, Stillpoints Ultra SS w/Ultra Bases

    Audio/Rip Travel Setup: Apple MacBook Pro 15” 2019, 6-core i9, 32 GB RAM, 1 TB SSD, Audirvana+ v3, iTunes, REW for MacOS, dbPowerAmp, DVD Audio Extractor

  7. #107
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    Re: Built for the love of music...

    Just completed a major upgrade in terms of totally decoupling an almost 300 lb speaker that stands 6 feet 1 inch tall from the room to eliminate the prodigious amounts of energy this speaker can produce from feeding into the floor and subfloor (and crawlspace under house) and ultimately feeding back into the speaker. This delivered a lot more than even the highest expectations I had. I'd researched available options for over a year and even considered going back to the use of Stillpoints Ultras 5's (now v2) or other footers like Magico MPODs (sized for M6 speakers) or the larger IsoAcoustics footers and received a great recommendation from a friend to look at Townshend Audio from the UK.

    Townshend Audio custom podium journey…. began this design project back in January after several months last year of investigation into many other excellent products in this space from HiFi-Stays, Magico MPODS, IsoAcoustics and many others.

    I decided upon Townshend after quite a few conversations with other “big speaker owners” who had bought and used all other top offerings for high-end footers with the larger speaker models from YG Acoustics, Wilson, Magico and Legacy Whisper XDS and MBL 101e MkII and MBL Extreme owners. They all wound up with Townshend’s podiums as their preferred solution, some after spending many thousands more on competing solutions.

    Townshend makes 5 different standard sizes of the platforms for different combinations of size plinth and weight-bearing capacity from 50kg up to 200kg. They can accommodate any speaker over 200kg of any weight through a custom design and going from 4 to 6 load cells.

    Due to the unique angled back profile, the size of the Legacy Valor plinth, a 298-pound actual weight of my speakers as-built and the height (6 feet 1") plus their load distribution a custom sized Townshend product was needed. The same is true of the other Wilson, larger Magico, MBL and YG owners I spoke with. The process of collaborating with Townshend was great and they were extremely responsive at all points even allowing me firsthand calls and emails with their lead engineer to arrive at the CAD drawings needed to commission the project. As a result, they now have an option for any Legacy VALOR owner in their design portfolio.

    Townshend completed the order after commit in the shortest time possible (about 5-6 weeks) and then shipped them in custom-built real wood crates. They arrived without any issue whatsoever.

    The finish quality is heavy duty, beautiful and first class in every way. I am very happy with the end product. This project was measured and designed down to millimeters to facilitate the CAD and laser-cutting processes. When I got them out of the crates, they were exactly to promise and to measure.

    Pardon the blue masking tape in the photos...I am still tweaking final speaker position based upon original best-position.

    The playback quality of the speakers once installed on them far exceeds any expectations I had, and have markedly improved every single aspect of playback, including bass of course, all the way up through midrange and treble clarity, total imaging, soundstage depth, density, 3D rendering, etc.

    It's also an amazing thing to see an almost 300 lb., 6' 1" speaker "float" and when pushed, easily move in 3 dimensions, and quickly absorb the shocks and return to stationary in a matter of seconds. The bigger surprise is to feel absolutely zero vibration and resonance in the floor directly in front of the speaker and yet feel the force of bass, mid-bass, etc... moving air.

    Very happy with the results and looking forward to listening to a lot more music to re-explore my speakers!

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    Re: Built for the love of music...

    Quote Originally Posted by SCAudiophile View Post
    Just completed a major upgrade ...Pardon the blue masking tape in the photos...I am still tweaking final speaker position based upon original best-position.
    Thanks a lot for the post, SCAudiophile, that's all really interesting. Audio lost a lot when Townsend passed recently.
    I have tried a bit of decoupling lately- it seems to help a LOT. As with you, I've found improvement throughout the frequency spectrum.
    Serious question- how do you move your speakers? Especially how do you move them once they're on the platforms?

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    Re: Built for the love of music...

    Quote Originally Posted by ICUToo View Post
    Thanks a lot for the post, SCAudiophile, that's all really interesting. Audio lost a lot when Townsend passed recently.
    I have tried a bit of decoupling lately- it seems to help a LOT. As with you, I've found improvement throughout the frequency spectrum.
    Serious question- how do you move your speakers? Especially how do you move them once they're on the platforms?
    That is certainly "the" question when it comes to anything like this for a speaker of this size. The initial install, as with installing footers
    of any other kind and moving a good sized speaker like this, was a two-person job and some careful thought. The essential ingredient was
    to know exactly where the speakers sound best in the room both playing as passive speakers and also with the Room Correction that
    Legacy Wavelet provides (which does NOT get you out of the task of doing proper passive speaker "best location" placement). After almost
    2 years and a lot of experimentation I had found the best place for the speakers in the current room so step 1 was to precisely mark the outside
    edge (outline) of the speaker base on the floor so I knew exactly where the speaker needed to be sighted in to coincide with once on the podiums.

    Step 2, with 2 guys working together was to have 1 of us rock the speaker gently back on its back 2 legs while the other carefully slide the Townshend
    podium into place all the way up to the back speaker footers. Step 3 was then both of us "walking" the speaker and getting it centered on the platform
    and squared off. Step 4 was one person hold the speaker while the other got down on the floor and pushed the Townshend platforms back and sliding
    them into their near-final place with some "sighting in" and verifying with (Step 5) a couple of minor adjustments to get the speaker and podium to align the
    speaker over the blue masking tape targets on the floor on all sides. Step 6 then is adjusting the isolation pods (the legs) in pairs to make sure the
    podium is floating no more than an inch above the floor and even on all sides to get it level to the human eye. Step 7 is taking good "calibrated/verified"
    level and checking the speaker on all sides front and back to ensure it is completely level and 100% vertically aligned straight as well.

    Moving the speakers on the podiums themselves was the same "walking" motion and process due to the extremely thick and hard blasted finish they manufacture.

    Sliding the podiums themselves on a smooth surface takes some care and even force on 2 legs at a time; someone to steady the speaker vertically helps
    however I did do it myself a few days ago as there was a slight distance away from the target markings where is missed. I was able to get push the podiums
    myself with a bit of care. It would have been better or at least less disconcerting to have a helper but I figured it out on my own.

    They tell me that on carpet the podiums with their slick disc footers on the legs will move; I see that as requiring more care, a bit more force and definitely
    not done without a second person as carpet is more challenging to contend with. They did tell me they have many customers who use them on carpet so
    they can surely advise as to best techniques.

    Hope this answers your question...
    Legacy Audio VALOR with Wavelet V2, Legacy i.V4 ULTRA 4ch amp, HDPlex 300W LPSU, RevAudio Labs Passage Cryo-silver DC Umbilical,Ghent Audio DC Umbilical, Esoteric Grandioso P1 & D1s, Cybershaft Premium Ltd Type2 OP21A 10 MHz Clock, Esoteric C-02X Preamp, SHUNYATA TRITON v3, TYPHON QR & ALTAIRA SG hub & cables, AfterBurner8 duplexes, CSP Inc Q4B, S2B IEC support plates, Shunyata OMEGA CLOCK-50s, AQ Firebird 48 HDMIs, Elrod Master Series Diamond & Masters Series Statement Gold Power cords, Elrod Statement Gold XLRs, Diamond XLRs & Master Diamond XLRs, Shunyata OMEGA QR-s power cable, Shunyata Anaconda Z-tron XLR, Elrod Statement Gold speaker cables, Adona AV45CS3, AV45CS2 & AV45CS1 and Multi-Element platforms, Composite Audio CF-2010, HRS DPX Damping Plates, Stillpoints Ultra SS w/Ultra Bases

    Audio/Rip Travel Setup: Apple MacBook Pro 15” 2019, 6-core i9, 32 GB RAM, 1 TB SSD, Audirvana+ v3, iTunes, REW for MacOS, dbPowerAmp, DVD Audio Extractor

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