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April 20, 2018, 09:06 PM #1
AudioQuest Niagra and Storm Power Cable Review
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April 21, 2018, 12:05 AM #2
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There was also a favorable if a bit odd comment from Mikey Fremer in the latest Stereophile, pledging loyalty to AQ now.
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April 22, 2018, 07:01 AM #3
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The fuse in my Diablo 300 just blew. I thought the Niagara 5000 should have stopped that from happening?
Last edited by AJR; April 22, 2018 at 07:03 AM. Reason: Typo
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April 22, 2018, 09:35 AM #4
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Fuses can blow from many different causes. If there was a power surge then it's likely the Niagara 5000 would have protected your connected equipment, but if there's an issue with the Diablo 300 which caused it to draw more current than expected the fuse should blow to protect it from further damage. I'd strongly suggest checking with your dealer first but you could try replacing the fuse and everything may then be fine, but if it blows again there's likely a problem indicating that the 300 should be serviced.
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April 30, 2018, 10:32 PM #5
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May 3, 2018, 12:38 AM #6
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I just completed the power upgrade chain: Dedicated 20 amp circuit > NRG 20 amp outlet > AQ Hurricane cable > Niagara 5000.
I sincerely hope folks give this scenario a try (or at least a storm cable and a Niagara 5k or 7k). For all of the money we tend to spend in this hobby I do not know if I have ever had a more complete change to my system for such a "reasonable" price. This is new technology that changes the game in a big way. Yes, some of the other power units do slightly different things, but this is the ink black noise floor I have always dreamt about. The high capacity power delivery to power amps also makes a huge difference... especially with the dedicated 20 amp circuit. Every unit in the system gets an upgrade and system coherence is tremendous. I know in years to come some type of upgrade will also surface compared to this power system, but wow... I'm REALLY happy with this, and have trouble imagining how it could get a whole lot better. I don't gush very often, as I have heard a lot of gear at home and in full professional recording studios... I think the Niagara 5/7k, and the storm cables change the game.
As a side note, it seems all of the AQ NRG power cables are selling through in order to get to a product launch that is coming soon... I'm interested to see what they have come up with, as I suspect a trickle down of the storm technology.
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May 4, 2018, 05:17 AM #7
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I'm ordering a full set of Hurricane PCs.
Adam
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May 4, 2018, 07:37 AM #8
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Glad you guys are enjoying these power cords. I’m not sure if you recall, but I have had a full set of Thunder, Hurricane and Dragon (source and power) in the store since December. They’re wonderful power cables - all of them.
The jump from thunder to Hurricane is subtle, but worth it. The jump from Hurricane to Dragon is substantial - but so is the cost!
I found putting Dragon on the source components (DAC or CD) made the greatest impact. But I heard improvements on the preamp, amp and Niagra 7000 as I went down the line.
Back in January, I held a blind power cord shootout. Customers brought WW platinum, Nordost Odin/Odin 2, Valhalla 2, Ansuz Diamond and three or four others, including a DIY cable. Rance (from the forum was there too). Hopefully he will chime in. Anyway, they wanted to compare Thunder and Hurricane to all these other power cables they had brought because Rick and I had been raving about them. I didn’t bring the Dragon.
It was unanimous. The AQ cables won. Hurricane specifically. Let’s just say, I sold an awful lot of Hurricane’s and Thunders that day.My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
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May 4, 2018, 08:16 AM #9
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I’m loving my Tornados. I thought there was a small but noticeable step up to the Hurricane and that will likely be an upgrade for me sometime in the future.
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May 13, 2018, 02:11 AM #10
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May 17, 2018, 10:22 AM #11
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August 12, 2018, 07:44 PM #12
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I got to hear them at Mike's and was blown away. I heard the top three with Garth when they were in prototype and was blown away. I was in shock at how much better the Dragon's were. Its one of the rare times in high end, that I can honestly say it's not a subtle upgrade. I've heard the Enkleins and Elrods. The Enkleins are used by many of the uber high end systems and I know why. They really are special. That said, I will be doing a shootout soon (hopefully) with the top David and a Hurricane and Dragon if I can get them. It will be with a Rockport Lyra system and we will be using a rebuilt Revox reel to reel unit. I'll keep you posted.
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August 13, 2018, 06:33 PM #13
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August 13, 2018, 08:07 PM #14
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September 3, 2018, 02:39 AM #15
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Anyone have any views on how the AQ Hurricane's compare to the Shunyata Sigma NR cables?
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September 3, 2018, 04:41 AM #16
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Hi Mike, During the cable shoot out, what kind of power distribution did you use, in my "experience" the Ansuz power cables start to play there strenghts when used with one of the mainz 8 power distribution blocks. (earthing 10mm)
Olaf
When reading again I see it was the Niagara 7000Moon 700i V2, YG Acoustics Hailey, Aurender N10, dCS Rossini, Oppo BDP103D (audiopraise board), Ansuz Mainz 8 D2
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September 3, 2018, 09:22 AM #17
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I personally feel my Hurricanes are more neutral and have better tonality. I highly value that. I need body in my sound also, but I get that with the Hurricanes. I had the Shunyata Sigma's in, not the NR's. The Sigma's are an awesome cable, I just like the Hurricane better as it gives me a lower noise floor and is a bit more dynamic with better extension on both ends. The difference in sigma vs Hurricane isn't night and day, but subtle enough that I wanted the Hurricane.
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February 28, 2019, 01:08 PM #18
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AQ Dragon Original.pngAQ Dragon Reissue.pngAQ Hurricane Original.pngAQ Hurricane Reissue.png
I find AQ policy outrageous! They have indeed modified both the Hurricane and the Dragon...
These are print-screens from the 2018 and 2019 AQ pricelist. As you can see, the Hurricane become
bluer and with inferior AWG and the Dragon went from PSS/PSC+ (more AWG) to PSS (less AWG).
But you have to do some research in order to find out about this change...Triangle Magellan Concerto 2 < AQ Everest < Vitus Audio SS-010 Mk2 < AQ Dragon HC < AQ WEL Signature XLR < Chord Qutest w UpTone JS-2 & AQ Dragon Source < SOtM tX-USBultra w 75Ohm Master Clock Input, Paul Hynes SR5-12 Turbo XL & AQ Dragon Source < AQ Diamond USB < Aurender N-100H w AQ Dragon Source < Gryphon PowerZone w AQ NRG-Wild < Solid Tech Hybrid < Ansuz Darkz D-TC, Darkz D2, Stillpoints Ultra SS, Omicron Harmonic Stabilizer & Gold SE < Furutech FT-SWS < Synergistic Research Blue Quantum Fuse
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February 28, 2019, 03:06 PM #19
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Not happy about this apparent deception. The current Hurricane HCs were represented as the same except for the color of the jackets where the old color would be used for the new Firebirds. Now it might appear that AQ wants to further promote Firebird HC comparative performance by subtracting a bit from the revised Hurricane HC's performance??
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February 28, 2019, 04:30 PM #20
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hmmmmm... this could be a disappointing scenario for many of us. I have spent a lot on various hurricanes pre/post the changes. I look forward to hearing more.
Jeremy
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February 28, 2019, 04:56 PM #21
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That seems to be the idea, GSOphile - to improve the Dragon and to worsen the Hurricane so that Firebird can sit right between the two... Luckily I have the older but 'thicker' Hurricanes!
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February 28, 2019, 05:00 PM #22
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Just talked to AudioQuest. This is the problem with the internet and people starting FALSE RUMORS. NOTHING HAS CHANGED. It's the same cables. You know what happened? A TYPO. EVERY SINGLE power cable - even the copper ones.
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February 28, 2019, 05:07 PM #23
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My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
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February 28, 2019, 05:32 PM #24
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Mike, I've just posted print-screens of the AQ Official Pricelist! There's nothing wrong with that! If it's a typo, it's not mine.
Is it also a typo in the description of the Dragon?! C'mon!
P.S. The apologies, the excuses or the confirmation must come from AQ, not from me! It's their official pricelist, you know...Triangle Magellan Concerto 2 < AQ Everest < Vitus Audio SS-010 Mk2 < AQ Dragon HC < AQ WEL Signature XLR < Chord Qutest w UpTone JS-2 & AQ Dragon Source < SOtM tX-USBultra w 75Ohm Master Clock Input, Paul Hynes SR5-12 Turbo XL & AQ Dragon Source < AQ Diamond USB < Aurender N-100H w AQ Dragon Source < Gryphon PowerZone w AQ NRG-Wild < Solid Tech Hybrid < Ansuz Darkz D-TC, Darkz D2, Stillpoints Ultra SS, Omicron Harmonic Stabilizer & Gold SE < Furutech FT-SWS < Synergistic Research Blue Quantum Fuse
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February 28, 2019, 05:40 PM #25
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My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
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February 28, 2019, 06:18 PM #26
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What about the content of copper and silver in the Dragon HC? In the 2018 it was PSS/PSC+ and in 2019 it's PSS... How do I know which one is which?
P.S. You should see in my signature that I'm a big fan of AQ! I've always been and I've had several of their cables. As a client though, I hate any lack of transparency. It's disrespectful for the customer...Triangle Magellan Concerto 2 < AQ Everest < Vitus Audio SS-010 Mk2 < AQ Dragon HC < AQ WEL Signature XLR < Chord Qutest w UpTone JS-2 & AQ Dragon Source < SOtM tX-USBultra w 75Ohm Master Clock Input, Paul Hynes SR5-12 Turbo XL & AQ Dragon Source < AQ Diamond USB < Aurender N-100H w AQ Dragon Source < Gryphon PowerZone w AQ NRG-Wild < Solid Tech Hybrid < Ansuz Darkz D-TC, Darkz D2, Stillpoints Ultra SS, Omicron Harmonic Stabilizer & Gold SE < Furutech FT-SWS < Synergistic Research Blue Quantum Fuse
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February 28, 2019, 06:19 PM #27
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My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
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February 28, 2019, 06:26 PM #28
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So you're suggesting that prices, metal composition and AWG, were typos.....
Quite frankly, I was surprised that the Dragon wasn't advertised as PSS from the start and wondered if there was going to be a WEL or something like it above it.
But call it what it is - a change in marketing. Not a big deal.
Audioquest changed certain aspects of their cables, described them differently, and/or changed their prices over the years in the pricebooks, without changing the names and no one complained.Christian
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February 28, 2019, 06:30 PM #29
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Yup, if people want to believe some grand conspiracy theory, have at it. All I can do is ask the powers that be and report back. But I’ve been using cables from 2018 and 2019 and have not seen or heard any difference. The AQ price book is a bazillion pages. I’m not surprised there are typos.
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February 28, 2019, 06:44 PM #30
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It's AQ's error. In the case of the Hurricane HCs, it's understandable why Blue customers would be upset. AQ needs to correct their marketing material with apologies ASAP.
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February 28, 2019, 08:46 PM #31
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February 28, 2019, 08:48 PM #32
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And I noted looking at the photos he posted that one is from the U.K. price book (note the Dragon does not even have the DBS on it in the U.K. book) and then he compare it to the US price book. Who knows why the difference? But not DBS in the old version? I bought the first Dragon’s that came out. All have DBS.
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February 28, 2019, 09:53 PM #33
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I too own Blue Hurricane HCs. My statement was a about how a Blue Hurricane HC owner like me might feel after seeing the 2019 Blue specs and 'discovering' that his cables, instead of being 11 AWG as expected and bought, were 12 AWG due to a previously unpublished product change. This BEFORE Mike's timely investigation and explanation, which not everyone will see. Consequently AQ still needs to correct their specs soonest (and IMO owes an apology for a truly sloppy editing job).
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I am affraid that change in Dragon material specification from PSS/PSC+ to full PSS is not only a typo.
You can see a full description here when only PSS is mentioned:
https://www.audioquest.com/ac-power/...agon-source-eu
If Dragon would be still PSS/PSC+ what would be a difference with newly introduced Firebird PSS/PSC+?
if it is marketing only approach the Firebird should be called PSC+/PSS becouse is mostly copper and Dragon should be called PSS/PSC+ because it is mostly silver. Otherwise it is not transparent for a customer.
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March 31, 2019, 04:12 PM #35
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March 31, 2019, 04:43 PM #36
AudioQuest Niagra and Storm Power Cable Review
The Dragons are PSS, the Firebird is PSS/PSC+. AQ confirmed there was a typo in the price sheet.
There was never any copper in the Dragons. I have the first Dragons off the line, and some purchased about a month ago. ZERO difference visually, sonically, etc.My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
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March 31, 2019, 04:49 PM #37
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Sorry Mike, but you are misinformed.
In each Dragon positive and negative conductor there was always two wires PSS and one wire PSC+. In ground conductor there was all three wires from lesser grade copper.
Make a small effort and check under your Dragon plug. Just slip off outer shell.
If I am wrong I will eat my shoe.
The question is if NOW AQ changed Dragon to full PSS leaving all current customer with wrong cable specification or they still do not know what they sell.
I suppose that cables are still the same, but from marketing reasons they claim on their Web site all Dragons (including speaker cables that are still describes in priceless as hybrid) as PSS and do not want to confirm that they call hybrid Dragon a PSS cable.
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March 31, 2019, 05:00 PM #38
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March 31, 2019, 05:09 PM #39
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Somebody is fulling you (and possibly other customers).
Two silver and one copper wire in positive / negative conductor (all in signal parts) and three copper wires lesser quality in ground conductor.
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March 31, 2019, 05:11 PM #40
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March 31, 2019, 05:14 PM #42
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I’d call this situation WATTGATE but then it would get extra confusing.
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After conversation with very nice guys from Audioquest all thing become clear. Both Dragon power cords are hybrid PSS/PSC+ designs where PSS is dominating material and have had no any revisions since introduction.
Necessary information has been updated on AQ web site.
From my point of view the case is closed.
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April 3, 2019, 09:11 AM #45
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April 3, 2019, 09:26 AM #49
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April 7, 2019, 12:53 PM #50
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Mike, you're covering it up! This is not ok... While 'the other day' Dragon was all PSS now we find out that is partially PSS, partially PSC+. What if your BMW dealer would tell you that the brand new car you've just bought is a V8 and you reach home and discover that it's a V6.. What the hell?! Those cables cost money and AQ should inform its clients regarding the specifications of their cables! That's a serious priority!
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