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Thread: AudioQuest Niagara 7000 vs. 5000
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September 30, 2018, 11:27 PM #1
AudioQuest Niagara 7000 vs. 5000
Has anyone done a direct comparison of the AudioQuest Niagara 7000 vs. 5000? If so, can you articulate the difference in sound quality?
Thanks,
Ken"No summit worth climbing is easily attained."
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Source: MSB Select II DAC with Two Mono Powerbases and Femto 33 Clock; Renderer V2 Digital Input Module and Roon Nucleus Plus; MSB UMT V Signature Transport
Amps: Vandersteen M7-HPA Mono Amps; MSB M204 Mono Amps
Speakers: Vandersteen Model 7 Mk2
Power: Two AudioQuest Niagara 5000’s with AudioQuest Dragon and Hurricane Power Cords
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October 1, 2018, 08:57 AM #2
Re: AudioQuest Niagara 7000 vs. 5000
Hey Ken - Thought you may have missed these related threads since they're not in the AQ forum, being in "Power Conditioners & Regulators":
AudioQuest Niagara 7000 Low-Z Power-Noise Dissipation System- Don’t Call It a Power Conditioner
AudioQuest Niagra 5000
http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...l=1#post187278
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October 1, 2018, 09:21 AM #3
Re: AudioQuest Niagara 7000 vs. 5000
Thanks Bill,
I read those threads and there seems to be an issue with tube components being plugged into the 7000’s low current outlets (humming), which go through its transformer. However, the high current outlets on the 7000 don’t go through the transformer. Since my amplifiers are my only components with tubes and are plugged into the high current outlets, in theory, the 7000 should provide more noise reduction to my Select II DAC than the 5000 and still not hum.
Ken"No summit worth climbing is easily attained."
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Source: MSB Select II DAC with Two Mono Powerbases and Femto 33 Clock; Renderer V2 Digital Input Module and Roon Nucleus Plus; MSB UMT V Signature Transport
Amps: Vandersteen M7-HPA Mono Amps; MSB M204 Mono Amps
Speakers: Vandersteen Model 7 Mk2
Power: Two AudioQuest Niagara 5000’s with AudioQuest Dragon and Hurricane Power Cords
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October 1, 2018, 09:59 AM #4
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October 1, 2018, 10:33 AM #5
Re: AudioQuest Niagara 7000 vs. 5000
Why are you using one on amps?
First Sound Mark3SI preamp. Audion Black Shadow 845 SET Monoblocks. Mojo Audio Deja Vu Server. Mojo Audio Mystic 3 DAC. Linear Solution Ethernet Switch. Gigafoil with LPS. STST Motus II TT with Vertere SG1 arm, Hana ML Cartridge, Allnic H1201 phono pre. Pure Audio Project Trio 15 Horn speakers with Mundord Supreme oil caps. Power via 10 awg Oyaide cable from panel to custom distribution strip feeding front end. Oyaide dedicated10 AWG branch circuits from panel to each amp. Inakustik speaker and interconnect cables, Genesis Interconnect.
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October 1, 2018, 10:43 AM #6
Re: AudioQuest Niagara 7000 vs. 5000
"No summit worth climbing is easily attained."
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Source: MSB Select II DAC with Two Mono Powerbases and Femto 33 Clock; Renderer V2 Digital Input Module and Roon Nucleus Plus; MSB UMT V Signature Transport
Amps: Vandersteen M7-HPA Mono Amps; MSB M204 Mono Amps
Speakers: Vandersteen Model 7 Mk2
Power: Two AudioQuest Niagara 5000’s with AudioQuest Dragon and Hurricane Power Cords
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October 1, 2018, 10:59 AM #7
Re: AudioQuest Niagara 7000 vs. 5000
Micro Seiki SX-8000 air bearing table, SME 312s arm, SME 3012R arn, Dynavector XV-1s cartridge, Lyra Etna SL cartridge, ARC Ref 3 phono stage, Otari MX-55 2 track R2R, Ampex 350 tape repros, Roon Nucleus Plus music server, HiFi Rose 150B DAC, ARC Ref 6, ARC Ref 75 with KT-150s, Parasound JC5 amp , JBL 4345 speakers, Viero Equilibro Level 3 speaker cables, and Definitive Technology Ref subs.
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October 1, 2018, 11:33 AM #8
Re: AudioQuest Niagara 7000 vs. 5000
First Sound Mark3SI preamp. Audion Black Shadow 845 SET Monoblocks. Mojo Audio Deja Vu Server. Mojo Audio Mystic 3 DAC. Linear Solution Ethernet Switch. Gigafoil with LPS. STST Motus II TT with Vertere SG1 arm, Hana ML Cartridge, Allnic H1201 phono pre. Pure Audio Project Trio 15 Horn speakers with Mundord Supreme oil caps. Power via 10 awg Oyaide cable from panel to custom distribution strip feeding front end. Oyaide dedicated10 AWG branch circuits from panel to each amp. Inakustik speaker and interconnect cables, Genesis Interconnect.
Kingrexelectric.com Lyncole certified grounding specialist.
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October 1, 2018, 11:56 AM #9
Re: AudioQuest Niagara 7000 vs. 5000
Micro Seiki SX-8000 air bearing table, SME 312s arm, SME 3012R arn, Dynavector XV-1s cartridge, Lyra Etna SL cartridge, ARC Ref 3 phono stage, Otari MX-55 2 track R2R, Ampex 350 tape repros, Roon Nucleus Plus music server, HiFi Rose 150B DAC, ARC Ref 6, ARC Ref 75 with KT-150s, Parasound JC5 amp , JBL 4345 speakers, Viero Equilibro Level 3 speaker cables, and Definitive Technology Ref subs.
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October 1, 2018, 12:16 PM #10
Re: AudioQuest Niagara 7000 vs. 5000
Power conditions get rid of humming at my house. Some equipment such as my Rega Osiris benefitted and sounded better with the Isoteck Syncro. A balanced power transformer benefited my Conrad Johnson Premier 140. Neither of those products benefited my front end as they added a lot of Vail or just altered the sound in ways I did not like. My current amps have not responded well to any power conditioners I've tried. But that wasn't the point of my comment. My point was I don't think manufacturers design power conditioning into their gear. If they did design power conditioning into their gear, no one would be purchasing anything from PS audio, Isoteck, Audioquest, Furman ETC.
Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they all have built in power conditioning. Consumers of external products maybe like to change the sound the manufacturer thought was best.First Sound Mark3SI preamp. Audion Black Shadow 845 SET Monoblocks. Mojo Audio Deja Vu Server. Mojo Audio Mystic 3 DAC. Linear Solution Ethernet Switch. Gigafoil with LPS. STST Motus II TT with Vertere SG1 arm, Hana ML Cartridge, Allnic H1201 phono pre. Pure Audio Project Trio 15 Horn speakers with Mundord Supreme oil caps. Power via 10 awg Oyaide cable from panel to custom distribution strip feeding front end. Oyaide dedicated10 AWG branch circuits from panel to each amp. Inakustik speaker and interconnect cables, Genesis Interconnect.
Kingrexelectric.com Lyncole certified grounding specialist.
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October 1, 2018, 01:26 PM #11
Re: AudioQuest Niagara 7000 vs. 5000
Your amps still hum right? That's what you wrote yesterday in your first listening impressions of your new speakers. And yes, manufacturers of high end gear build robust power supplies that are well regulated and that do an excellent job of filtering out noise and hum from the AC input. Many amp manufactures are emphatic that they want their amps plugged straight into the wall. I'm sure you can find gear that has crappy power supplies and wasn't designed by an electrical engineer, but it's best to buy gear that was designed well in the first place and not have to use outboard bandaids IMO.Micro Seiki SX-8000 air bearing table, SME 312s arm, SME 3012R arn, Dynavector XV-1s cartridge, Lyra Etna SL cartridge, ARC Ref 3 phono stage, Otari MX-55 2 track R2R, Ampex 350 tape repros, Roon Nucleus Plus music server, HiFi Rose 150B DAC, ARC Ref 6, ARC Ref 75 with KT-150s, Parasound JC5 amp , JBL 4345 speakers, Viero Equilibro Level 3 speaker cables, and Definitive Technology Ref subs.
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October 1, 2018, 02:02 PM #12
Re: AudioQuest Niagara 7000 vs. 5000
I have no idea what amp manufacturers due today. But I 100% agree with your belief in how to power amps.
What about front end gear. Do you believe they also utilize devices to mitigate noise pollution. If so do you also believe all front end gear should be plugged directly into a wall?First Sound Mark3SI preamp. Audion Black Shadow 845 SET Monoblocks. Mojo Audio Deja Vu Server. Mojo Audio Mystic 3 DAC. Linear Solution Ethernet Switch. Gigafoil with LPS. STST Motus II TT with Vertere SG1 arm, Hana ML Cartridge, Allnic H1201 phono pre. Pure Audio Project Trio 15 Horn speakers with Mundord Supreme oil caps. Power via 10 awg Oyaide cable from panel to custom distribution strip feeding front end. Oyaide dedicated10 AWG branch circuits from panel to each amp. Inakustik speaker and interconnect cables, Genesis Interconnect.
Kingrexelectric.com Lyncole certified grounding specialist.
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October 1, 2018, 03:37 PM #13
Re: AudioQuest Niagara 7000 vs. 5000
Micro Seiki SX-8000 air bearing table, SME 312s arm, SME 3012R arn, Dynavector XV-1s cartridge, Lyra Etna SL cartridge, ARC Ref 3 phono stage, Otari MX-55 2 track R2R, Ampex 350 tape repros, Roon Nucleus Plus music server, HiFi Rose 150B DAC, ARC Ref 6, ARC Ref 75 with KT-150s, Parasound JC5 amp , JBL 4345 speakers, Viero Equilibro Level 3 speaker cables, and Definitive Technology Ref subs.
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October 1, 2018, 04:21 PM #14
Re: AudioQuest Niagara 7000 vs. 5000
Jim
D'Agostino Momentum M-400's MxV’s & HD Pre-amp
Wilson Alexandria X2 Series 2 speakers
Digital: dCS Vivaldi APEX DAC, Clock & Upsampler
Analog: SME 20/3 with Esoteric E-03 Phono
Transparent Opus Speaker Cable & Interconnects & Opus Power Cords
Power Cords on Digital: Shunyata
Power Conditioner - Shunyata Everest
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October 2, 2018, 09:24 AM #15
Re: AudioQuest Niagara 7000 vs. 5000
FYI I believe there was a recent update/change to the 7000......not sure of details
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October 2, 2018, 09:56 AM #16
Re: AudioQuest Niagara 7000 vs. 5000
"No summit worth climbing is easily attained."
--------------------------------------------
Source: MSB Select II DAC with Two Mono Powerbases and Femto 33 Clock; Renderer V2 Digital Input Module and Roon Nucleus Plus; MSB UMT V Signature Transport
Amps: Vandersteen M7-HPA Mono Amps; MSB M204 Mono Amps
Speakers: Vandersteen Model 7 Mk2
Power: Two AudioQuest Niagara 5000’s with AudioQuest Dragon and Hurricane Power Cords
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October 2, 2018, 10:11 AM #17
Re: AudioQuest Niagara 7000 vs. 5000
First Sound Mark3SI preamp. Audion Black Shadow 845 SET Monoblocks. Mojo Audio Deja Vu Server. Mojo Audio Mystic 3 DAC. Linear Solution Ethernet Switch. Gigafoil with LPS. STST Motus II TT with Vertere SG1 arm, Hana ML Cartridge, Allnic H1201 phono pre. Pure Audio Project Trio 15 Horn speakers with Mundord Supreme oil caps. Power via 10 awg Oyaide cable from panel to custom distribution strip feeding front end. Oyaide dedicated10 AWG branch circuits from panel to each amp. Inakustik speaker and interconnect cables, Genesis Interconnect.
Kingrexelectric.com Lyncole certified grounding specialist.
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October 2, 2018, 10:50 AM #18Micro Seiki SX-8000 air bearing table, SME 312s arm, SME 3012R arn, Dynavector XV-1s cartridge, Lyra Etna SL cartridge, ARC Ref 3 phono stage, Otari MX-55 2 track R2R, Ampex 350 tape repros, Roon Nucleus Plus music server, HiFi Rose 150B DAC, ARC Ref 6, ARC Ref 75 with KT-150s, Parasound JC5 amp , JBL 4345 speakers, Viero Equilibro Level 3 speaker cables, and Definitive Technology Ref subs.
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October 19, 2019, 02:15 AM #19
Re: AudioQuest Niagara 7000 vs. 5000
Did anyone try AQ Niagara products with Vitus Audio amplification?
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January 16, 2020, 04:27 AM #20
Re: AudioQuest Niagara 7000 vs. 5000
I made some major changes since my last post. I traded in my Niagara 7000 for two Niagara 5000’s. The Niagara 5000’s agree much better with my quirky power situation (big swings in voltage and EMI).
Each of my MSB Select 2 power supplies gets its own low current duplex in my first Niagara 5000, which is plugged into my first dedicated 20 amp line. I find the treble and midrange has more ease than the less noise reduction high current outlets, yet retains outstanding dynamics.
My entire network (modem, router, NAS and Roon Nucleus Plus), each device gets its own low current duplex on my second Niagara 5000, which is on my second dedicated 20 amp line. Lastly, each monoblock amplifier and subwoofer monoblock amplifier gets its own high current duplex. Much trial and error to come up with this configuration. I am very pleased with the results.
Ken"No summit worth climbing is easily attained."
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Source: MSB Select II DAC with Two Mono Powerbases and Femto 33 Clock; Renderer V2 Digital Input Module and Roon Nucleus Plus; MSB UMT V Signature Transport
Amps: Vandersteen M7-HPA Mono Amps; MSB M204 Mono Amps
Speakers: Vandersteen Model 7 Mk2
Power: Two AudioQuest Niagara 5000’s with AudioQuest Dragon and Hurricane Power Cords
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January 16, 2020, 10:13 AM #21
Re: AudioQuest Niagara 7000 vs. 5000
Thanks for the update. If I didn't have all my front end gear plugged into my Denali I would probably give the Niagara unit a go.
I see my last post on this topic was over 15 months ago. As I noted then I was waiting to try Transparent Opus Power Cords on my amps. I liked them more than the Shunyata's I was using connected to the Denali. I now run my Momentum's with the Opus connected direct to the wall. All my other gear goes into the Denali 6000T using Shunyata on my digital gear and Transparent on my analog.Jim
D'Agostino Momentum M-400's MxV’s & HD Pre-amp
Wilson Alexandria X2 Series 2 speakers
Digital: dCS Vivaldi APEX DAC, Clock & Upsampler
Analog: SME 20/3 with Esoteric E-03 Phono
Transparent Opus Speaker Cable & Interconnects & Opus Power Cords
Power Cords on Digital: Shunyata
Power Conditioner - Shunyata Everest
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January 16, 2020, 11:45 AM #22
Re: AudioQuest Niagara 7000 vs. 5000
How much hum were you guys actually getting. I sit in the middle with my friends. 2 have dead quiet systems. One uses no power conditioning. I wired his system. Another uses equitech. Another has all sorts of noise and uses all sorts ot gear and still has noise. Another is strait in the wall and has fluctuating noise. I helped on some of the wiring on the last. Mine has minor constant noise that comes and goes. Never very loud but always there. I want mine dead quiet but the 3 of us with noise have tried so many devices out there but hear them all.
FWIW, better grounding, isolation of branch circuit wiring in the panel and running to the rack as well as separation of all wires behind the rack got rid of 70% of the noise, i'm still styck with 30% I can't clear. I am actually starting to think I have radio interference. I wonder if a shield around the equipment would stop the noise. My CJ amp was more quiet with the tube shield onm but it compressed the power and shunted the highs. Or so I thought I heard. Maybe it doesn't even hum and its all in my head.
Hahaaaaa
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January 16, 2020, 10:16 PM #23
Re: AudioQuest Niagara 7000 vs. 5000
"No summit worth climbing is easily attained."
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Source: MSB Select II DAC with Two Mono Powerbases and Femto 33 Clock; Renderer V2 Digital Input Module and Roon Nucleus Plus; MSB UMT V Signature Transport
Amps: Vandersteen M7-HPA Mono Amps; MSB M204 Mono Amps
Speakers: Vandersteen Model 7 Mk2
Power: Two AudioQuest Niagara 5000’s with AudioQuest Dragon and Hurricane Power Cords
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January 17, 2020, 11:29 AM #24
Re: AudioQuest Niagara 7000 vs. 5000
Kingrex, all of my previous c j amps, at least a dozen over the years, could hum a bit. Especially the monoblocks. They suggested lifting the grounds. That always worked. They also recommend going direct to the wall with the power amp.
Best,Wilson Yvette speakers, [B]Conrad-Johnson [ART88 [B]pre, TEA1bc phono, and ART 27A Amplifier, Marantz digital player, Wireworld Gold and Platinum ICs, USB and power cables, Rega Planar 10 turntable/ Apheta cartridge, Wireworld Platimum Eclipse 8 speaker cables, AQ Hurricane and Tornado power cables, Shunyata Denali 6000S/V2, Sigma NR PC and DELTA USB cords, Symposium and Stillpoint vibration control, JL Audio Fathom 113 subwoofer, dCS Bartok Streamer/DAC
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May 14, 2020, 04:34 AM #25
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Re: AudioQuest Niagara 7000 vs. 5000
Did any also have a chance to listen/compare the new 3000 to the 5000?
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