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June 15, 2020, 10:15 AM #1
Audio Research Price Increase Coming July 1
If you’ve been on the fence and considering a new Audio Research piece, now is the time! ARC will be having a price increase on July 1st.
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June 15, 2020, 10:31 AM #2
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I wonder if all these price increases we are seeing throughout all industries not just audio, like food, retail, essential goods, are directly related to the shut down or slow downs caused by Convid19. Good articles; Coronavirus Pandemic, Supply Chain Problems Cause Prices Of Grocery Store Staples To Skyrocket | Here & Now
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June 15, 2020, 01:37 PM #3
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interesting, at the same time Martin Logan is having a big sale !
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June 15, 2020, 02:49 PM #4
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i am sure it cost more to run a biz so that employees are protected. and, this is probably true for every company in a product's supply chain for both materials and services. also, if i had to guess maybe unit volumes are down as well. so, one has to make up the revenue somehow.
that being said, this pandemic has not generally made the high-end consumer any richer. and, if memory servers, folks were certainly not paying more for things in the 1930s than they were in the 1920s.
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June 15, 2020, 04:18 PM #5
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When your "entry" units used to begin at $7500 and now go up, it puts their gear out of reach for many. They're not alone in that regard.
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June 15, 2020, 06:02 PM #6
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new promo ads aint' cheap ya know...
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June 15, 2020, 06:23 PM #7
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June 15, 2020, 07:57 PM #8
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June 16, 2020, 04:56 PM #9
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So their entry product is going to be what, $8k, $10k... I cannot imagine them selling any more product and many of their customer base has less to spend than before. So they are catering to the 1%... really... I'm sorry, but in my view this is the major issue holding back our hobby. Companies making their products far too expensive for a vast majority of possible new customers.
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June 16, 2020, 05:32 PM #10
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Regardless of whether we agree with the price increase, I think the key point is that Mike let us know in advance that it’s coming. Kudos to Mike for keeping everyone informed with manufacturers’ plans and allowing buyers on the fence to avoid the price increase.
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June 16, 2020, 05:48 PM #11
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ARC is not catering to the 1% and this is not a major issue holding back our hobby as you said. How is the price of ARC gear holding you back in this hobby? It’s not. There are ten tons of audio gear on the market now at all price points. There are lots of choices available at every price point for every component, wire, racks, magic feet, and digital dingleberries.
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June 16, 2020, 06:22 PM #12
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I do agree with you in kudos to Mike for letting those who may be on the fence know that this is coming.
I also stick by my view that far too many companies are over pricing their products to a point that they are hurting this hobby. Yes I know there are a ton of products and there are pieces that cover all price levels, but I try to put myself into what someone that might be interested in listening to good music might experience. They pick up a magazine, maybe they have heard of ARC or others... and then they see their products starting at about $10k each... and know that a system would be completely out of range of their wildest dreams... they grab a pair of decent air buds and go back to their iPhone... maybe dramatic, but I certainly see this happening daily... and another lose of another person that would move our hobby forward... we are not getting the younger crowd like we did back in my day....
Back in the day the high end products were expensive... but not to a point that someone just getting into this hobby would think they would never ever be able... pricing is getting stupidly high and the brands that you see and hear about the most are the ones driving the prices to stupid levels... ARC is now falling into that realm more than they already were.McIntosh C49, MC152, MR85, R778 | T+A DAC 8 DSD | KEF LS50 Meta w/S2, KC62 (x2) | Rega RP8, Ania Pro, NEO PSU | Technics SL-1500C | Audio Technica VM750ML | Hexmat Eclipse, Yellow Bird, Molekula, Molekula Mini | Pro-Ject VC-E | Falcon NW PC Server (Roon Core & HQPlayer) | Microsoft Surface Pro 6 (Roon Controller) | Abyss Diana Phi | Schiit Jotunheim 2 | Astell&Kern SE200 | Oppo BDP105
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June 16, 2020, 06:33 PM #13
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And as I posted in another thread, ARC is not doing major announcement of new 50th Anniversary statement products as I was told early this year before the Wuhan Virus locked everyone up. I spoke with Aldo Filippelli who said instead they would be focusing on their more "middle" market line like the Foundation Series. I'm sure all that goes on hold with Wuhan. Taking a price increase—to survive this troubling times, I hardly fault them for that. And while the cost of much "statement" gear in this hobby continues to the stratosphere, ARC is actually very reasonably priced in comparison to many of their competitors. Remember too, made in the USA, not China. Long live ARC!
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June 16, 2020, 06:52 PM #14
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June 16, 2020, 07:00 PM #15
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I have actually owned ARC gear and would consider their products again. It is cool if you believe it is healthy for our hobby in the long run, I disagree; I will leave it at that.
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June 16, 2020, 08:48 PM #16
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Most of my life I could not afford reference level components. Today the cost of reference keeps moving so its a stretch for me in many cases, though I do recognize the privilege of having accumulated a little bit of wealth. Then again, I’m now 62, in my 30’s and early 40’s I didn’t have a system. The system I assembled in my youth: ARC, Great American Sound, Nackamichi, Techniques turntable, and home-made speakers bought from a local guy who built ‘em in his garage lasted a decade or so then parts began to fail and I had other things to attend to. Today, however, there are tremendous bargains if you seek them out—and if you’re not lured by the siren call of the latest, greatest, uber-spanky gear.
Can you dim the lights, pour yourself an adult beverage, play music you like, and relax? I often say I can be more emotionally connected to my car radio playing an old memory than my spanky system. Its not about the gear, but a love for music. The gear part is fun, but if I had to sell it all I know I could assemble a rig for $10k and still enjoy myself.
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June 16, 2020, 11:26 PM #18
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All I can say is wow... simply wow. No matter how rich you think you are I would never make such a stupid statement about other forum members. I know not everyone can afford gear that cost more than a nice house, but most people would consider a $40,000 system more than a "bottom feeder" system. That had to be the rudest post I have ever read on this, or maybe any other forum.
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June 17, 2020, 12:11 AM #19
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I agree, that comment really was disrespectful and not in keeping with your prior posts (and general tone of this forum) where I felt your opinion was honestly and respectfully offered. I disagree somewhat, but reasonable can disagree without dissing the other guy. We have that on display in abundance in the daily news, no need to bring it here.
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June 17, 2020, 08:17 AM #21
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As you said Bob, reasonable people can disagree and still be respectful. There have been many discussions on AS where people had differing opinions but rarely have I seen the discussion turn to insults. It is not what we have come to expect here on AS.
Simply because we see bullying and insults on full display in the daily news does not mean that it is ok in the civilized world. It is not ok and is definitely not something I would ever stoop to. Educated intelligent people simply do not do that no matter what we see on display from bullies at all levels.McIntosh C49, MC152, MR85, R778 | T+A DAC 8 DSD | KEF LS50 Meta w/S2, KC62 (x2) | Rega RP8, Ania Pro, NEO PSU | Technics SL-1500C | Audio Technica VM750ML | Hexmat Eclipse, Yellow Bird, Molekula, Molekula Mini | Pro-Ject VC-E | Falcon NW PC Server (Roon Core & HQPlayer) | Microsoft Surface Pro 6 (Roon Controller) | Abyss Diana Phi | Schiit Jotunheim 2 | Astell&Kern SE200 | Oppo BDP105
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June 17, 2020, 08:26 AM #22
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I see your point and agree somewhat. I do think that there are times that companies price themselves out of the market however. As I stated I have owned ARC gear and have considered one or several of their pieces even recently; but, while I felt they were offering good gear I also felt they were charging more than what I was comfortable with for what I would be getting for the money spent. Increasing their prices will only make this gap wider and in my view will actually loose them possible sales.
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June 17, 2020, 08:31 AM #23
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While no one likes paying more, there is a potential benefit in that your gear may be worth more on the previously played market.
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June 17, 2020, 08:35 AM #24
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True, however on the previously played market the norm and expectations that people have in pricing is to approach 50% of retail in their offers. So the more you pay the more you loose .... although purchase now and with the higher price maybe gain back more later ....
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June 17, 2020, 08:37 AM #25
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It was a general statement. Not directed at any particular forum member. It applies on Hoffman/Audiogon or anywhere else IMO. Sorry you took it personally for whatever reason. I just agreed with the prior posters position...in spades. Don't think he was directing his comment at you or anybody else here for that matter. Just an observation
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June 17, 2020, 08:57 AM #26
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June 17, 2020, 09:09 AM #27
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Well, if we are all in the spirit of love and virtue signalling, I guess there is no need to check yourself before you go on a thread where Mike is letting customers know there will be a price increase on a certain brand and complaining about that brand. Especially when you aren't even being truthful about the stories you are telling.
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June 17, 2020, 10:53 AM #28
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I do not believe anyone has said anything negative about ARC the product in this thread. I actually have utmost respect for the brand and actually like their gear. The only point I have been making in this thread is that I personally believe they are pricing themselves to a point that some people considering their products may no longer do so.
As to your last statement... saying you feel a brand is pricing themselves out of the range for potential customers is being untruthful.... really... ok, if that is how you see it so be it; whatever...
Where in any of my posts in this thread is there a single untruthful statement? No where that is where.... I'm out of here, it is my fault, I should have learned from past threads, you like to create controversy where it does not exist.
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"So their entry product is going to be what, $8k, $10k... I cannot imagine them selling any more product and many of their customer base has less to spend than before. So they are catering to the 1%... really... I'm sorry, but in my view this is the major issue holding back our hobby. Companies making their products far too expensive for a vast majority of possible new customers.
Just my opinion, but if you ask me this is the exact wrong time for doing a price increase."
"I do agree with you in kudos to Mike for letting those who may be on the fence know that this is coming.
I also stick by my view that far too many companies are over pricing their products to a point that they are hurting this hobby. Yes I know there are a ton of products and there are pieces that cover all price levels, but I try to put myself into what someone that might be interested in listening to good music might experience. They pick up a magazine, maybe they have heard of ARC or others... and then they see their products starting at about $10k each... and know that a system would be completely out of range of their wildest dreams... they grab a pair of decent air buds and go back to their iPhone... maybe dramatic, but I certainly see this happening daily... and another lose of another person that would move our hobby forward... we are not getting the younger crowd like we did back in my day....
Back in the day the high end products were expensive... but not to a point that someone just getting into this hobby would think they would never ever be able... pricing is getting stupidly high and the brands that you see and hear about the most are the ones driving the prices to stupid levels... ARC is now falling into that realm more than they already were."
"I have actually owned ARC gear and would consider their products again. It is cool if you believe it is healthy for our hobby in the long run, I disagree; I will leave it at that."
"All I can say is wow... simply wow. No matter how rich you think you are I would never make such a stupid statement about other forum members. I know not everyone can afford gear that cost more than a nice house, but most people would consider a $40,000 system more than a "bottom feeder" system. That had to be the rudest post I have ever read on this, or maybe any other forum."
"As you said Bob, reasonable people can disagree and still be respectful. There have been many discussions on AS where people had differing opinions but rarely have I seen the discussion turn to insults. It is not what we have come to expect here on AS.
Simply because we see bullying and insults on full display in the daily news does not mean that it is ok in the civilized world. It is not ok and is definitely not something I would ever stoop to. Educated intelligent people simply do not do that no matter what we see on display from bullies at all levels."
"I see your point and agree somewhat. I do think that there are times that companies price themselves out of the market however. As I stated I have owned ARC gear and have considered one or several of their pieces even recently; but, while I felt they were offering good gear I also felt they were charging more than what I was comfortable with for what I would be getting for the money spent. Increasing their prices will only make this gap wider and in my view will actually loose them possible sales."
"True, however on the previously played market the norm and expectations that people have in pricing is to approach 50% of retail in their offers. So the more you pay the more you loose .... although purchase now and with the higher price maybe gain back more later ...."McIntosh C49, MC152, MR85, R778 | T+A DAC 8 DSD | KEF LS50 Meta w/S2, KC62 (x2) | Rega RP8, Ania Pro, NEO PSU | Technics SL-1500C | Audio Technica VM750ML | Hexmat Eclipse, Yellow Bird, Molekula, Molekula Mini | Pro-Ject VC-E | Falcon NW PC Server (Roon Core & HQPlayer) | Microsoft Surface Pro 6 (Roon Controller) | Abyss Diana Phi | Schiit Jotunheim 2 | Astell&Kern SE200 | Oppo BDP105
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June 17, 2020, 11:37 AM #29
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June 17, 2020, 11:54 AM #31
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You certainly said negative things about ARC the company: "So their entry product is going to be what, $8k, $10k... I cannot imagine them selling any more product and many of their customer base has less to spend than before. So they are catering to the 1%... really... I'm sorry, but in my view this is the major issue holding back our hobby. Companies making their products far too expensive for a vast majority of possible new customers."
I never said that so you just made it up out of thin air.
Let's start here: "I try to put myself into what someone that might be interested in listening to good music might experience. They pick up a magazine, maybe they have heard of ARC or others... and then they see their products starting at about $10k each... and know that a system would be completely out of range of their wildest dreams... they grab a pair of decent air buds and go back to their iPhone... maybe dramatic, but I certainly see this happening daily."
You made up a hypothetical story and say you see it happening everyday. Right.Micro Seiki SX-8000 air bearing table, SME 312s arm, SME 3012R arn, Dynavector XV-1s cartridge, Lyra Etna SL cartridge, ARC Ref 3 phono stage, Otari MX-55 2 track R2R, Ampex 350 tape repros, Roon Nucleus Plus music server, HiFi Rose 150B DAC, ARC Ref 6, ARC Ref 75 with KT-150s, Parasound JC5 amp , JBL 4345 speakers, Viero Equilibro Level 3 speaker cables, and Definitive Technology Ref subs.
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June 17, 2020, 12:17 PM #32
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Saying I believe they will sell less products is not bad mouthing a company it is expressing an opinion. As I have stated I actually like ARC products but I truly do believe they are pricing themselves out of the range of many customers.
I was dealing with a hypothetical... but I actually do see this type of thing happening. At the county I work with we always have Interns and young engineers coming through our organization. What I described I have seen happen frequently... however it was in fact a hypothetical; maybe dramatic, but I certainly see this happening daily... calling that being untruthful is really quite the stretch my friend.
Just let it drop... at this point going back and forth on semantics is just plain silly.McIntosh C49, MC152, MR85, R778 | T+A DAC 8 DSD | KEF LS50 Meta w/S2, KC62 (x2) | Rega RP8, Ania Pro, NEO PSU | Technics SL-1500C | Audio Technica VM750ML | Hexmat Eclipse, Yellow Bird, Molekula, Molekula Mini | Pro-Ject VC-E | Falcon NW PC Server (Roon Core & HQPlayer) | Microsoft Surface Pro 6 (Roon Controller) | Abyss Diana Phi | Schiit Jotunheim 2 | Astell&Kern SE200 | Oppo BDP105
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June 17, 2020, 12:34 PM #33
Re: Audio Research Price Increase Coming July 1
ARC has always been expensive, but not to the level they have been coming to the past few years. I guess we will see how it all pans out in the years to come. We have seen it before, we will see it again. My main point was that the current environment is probably the worst time to implement a price increase in my view. That is all, pure and simple.
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June 17, 2020, 02:06 PM #34
Re: Audio Research Price Increase Coming July 1
Agree ARC has always been expensive gear , The tradition continues IMO i really don't see the issue here current price increase only makes it Par for the course nothing outrageous ..
Doubt this will affect sales , current environment not with standing ...
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June 17, 2020, 08:20 PM #35
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Small (5-10%) yearly price increases are common in hi-end audio. There are also companies, highly regarded on this forum, that had risen the prices (pre-covid) of some of their models by close to ... 40%. That is ... a bit much in my view, but companies are here to make money and they can set their prices freely.
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June 18, 2020, 12:42 PM #36
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June 19, 2020, 02:39 PM #37
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When good intentioned threads go awry. :-)
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June 19, 2020, 02:46 PM #38
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June 19, 2020, 02:49 PM #39
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Agreed. This thread started out well and quickly turned into a train wreck.
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June 19, 2020, 04:43 PM #40
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Re: Audio Research Price Increase Coming July 1
I was looking for the “off the rails” emoji several posts back. I might have been guilty of nudging it myself!
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June 19, 2020, 05:08 PM #41
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Sorry that I gave an opposing view point. If I knew some would get their panties all in a wad then I never would have. I should have known though because some people love to create issues where none exist. Giving an opposing view point, and giving it respectfully is not taking a thread off the rails. Insulting other forum members as one did or making shit up as another member is prone to do did quickly bring the thread down the rabbit hole.
If a member has to be hesitant to bring up an opposing view point, even if it is done respectfully because some members instantly go into defense mode of their favorite products, or others have a propensity of creating issues where they do not exist, then the forum will be diminished.
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June 19, 2020, 05:26 PM #42
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Plenty Irony there Randy , well played .....!
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June 19, 2020, 05:26 PM #43
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What's the issue, a one post informational thread became a lively discussion, that's healthy, right
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June 19, 2020, 05:40 PM #44
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As the OP, didn’t bother me in the least. I just wanted to make sure those on the fence for getting a new ARC piece were aware of the new price increase coming July 1.
Frankly, as a dealer, I don’t get bothered one way or the other about price increases. The only exception was the T+A price increase that came April 2018. That was a whopper of an increase across the board, and killed their market momentum I felt. I met with the owner of T+A at Munich and told him. If they could go back to pre-April 2018 prices, they would be regain that momentum IMO.
Focal’s recent price increases were real whoppers too. Sopra 2 now $20k. Wow.
But again, competition is the great equalizer.
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June 19, 2020, 05:41 PM #45
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You are a real piece of work Randy. Mike was letting his customers know there is a price increase coming on ARC gear and if you were on the fence about buying some ARC gear now would be a good time to buy it. You highjacked the thread to complain about ARC and their pricing and made up a hypothetical story which you admitted to and then said you see your hypothetical story come true everyday. The ONLY person on this thread who lied is you.
Another lie you told on this thread is you said you were going to bow out, but instead you came back and doubled down on your nonsense.Micro Seiki SX-8000 air bearing table, SME 312s arm, SME 3012R arn, Dynavector XV-1s cartridge, Lyra Etna SL cartridge, ARC Ref 3 phono stage, Otari MX-55 2 track R2R, Ampex 350 tape repros, Roon Nucleus Plus music server, HiFi Rose 150B DAC, ARC Ref 6, ARC Ref 75 with KT-150s, Parasound JC5 amp , JBL 4345 speakers, Viero Equilibro Level 3 speaker cables, and Definitive Technology Ref subs.
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June 19, 2020, 05:45 PM #46
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