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    Timbernation Rules

    Got my second gorgeous rack from Chris Futrick of Timbernation in Tiger Maple and Walnut and it is stunning. As soon as I get posting privileges I will post some pics. Very very heavy so I do not recommend dropping shelves on toe. I broke two of them but the rack is still worth it.
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    His cutting boards are really nice too!
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    Re: Timbernation Rules

    I'll fix your posting when I get home.

    And YES - Timbernation rules. I have ALL Timbernation racks and amp stands. Chris is a no BS kind of guy who builds rock solid racks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Thedubemaster View Post
    Got my second gorgeous rack from Chris Futrick of Timbernation in Tiger Maple and Walnut and it is stunning. As soon as I get posting privileges I will post some pics. Very very heavy so I do not recommend dropping shelves on toe. I broke two of them but the rack is still worth it.
    Ouch! Talk about getting started off on the wrong foot!
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    Re: Timbernation Rules

    Is there any particular isolation used other than the wood itself?
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    Rob, I'm guessing these pics are self explanatory. I so wanted to import this product into Australia but he wouldn't reply to my many emails.
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    Absolutely beautiful!
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    Re: Timbernation Rules

    Yes I used Cerapucs under the feet of the rack as well I will be using Stillpoint Ultras under certain phonostages and a Symposium Svelte Plus under turntable. Talk about overkill. The Cerapucs are very well made same ceramic ball and cup type of isolation device. I installed threaded adapters into the walnut legs to take the threaded screws for the Cerapucs.
    now to move all the arms and the Turntable over. the RX-5000 will go on the existing rack with four arms.
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    Re: Timbernation Rules

    Still can't post pics. Sorry soon.
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    Re: Timbernation Rules

    Chris indeed is one cool dude. I drew up this:





    And he sent me this:







    It totals 450 total pounds of Walnut. Huge 3" thick solid platforms and burl inlays. I think its purdy.
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    As I look at my post I see my crappy pix don't do Chris's fine craftsmanship justice. Sorry Chris.

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    Re: Timbernation Rules

    Wow, those are beautiful! I lusted over the figured tiger maple stand for quite a while but just couldn't pull the trigger. Now you have me thinking again. My flexy stand is looking pretty sick right now and not in a good way.
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    Paul-The beauty of that wood in your stands is a knockout. Of course I would have gone with a different design for the stands, but I sure can't argue about how beautiful they look.
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    Re: Timbernation Rules

    If anyone has a pair of McIntosh 275's, I have a pair of Timbernation amp stands (4 inch thick), I had custom made for them. They are black.


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    That turned out beautifully, Paul, congrats!

    Now to get those cables...


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    Re: Timbernation Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    Paul-The beauty of that wood in your stands is a knockout.
    I think so too. You should see them with the Walnut D3's.......(pix in 2015 I promise).

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    Of course I would have gone with a different design for the stands, but I sure can't argue about how beautiful they look.
    Yes I am kicking myself for not getting your input.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlexibleAudio View Post
    I think so too. You should see them with the Walnut D3's.......(pix in 2015 I promise).



    Yes I am kicking myself for not getting your input.
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    Re: Timbernation Rules

    Just ordered the tiger maple /walnut leg stand.Thanks for the recommendation.

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    That's a beautiful stand, congratulations! I am so jealous.
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    Re: Timbernation Rules

    Thanks.I am having vapor joule's made from a walnut crotchwood.It should be fabulous.

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    Should be awesome. Shoot some pix when Chris is done and tell him I said hello!

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    you got it.it will be 4-6 weeks.the vapors are a 4 month build.!

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    Purdy incredible! That is gorgeous. Way to go.
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    Re: Timbernation Rules

    Awhile back I had Chris build me some stands for my eucalyptus harbet shl5s. Turned out gorgeous. And they were cheap too!!!

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    I bought a rack from Chris. He was great to deal with, and the walnut rack is beautiful.
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    Ha, guys with really nice racks!

    Paul, I just went to the website and in the middle of the main page is a pic of what he built for you. Very nice, all of them.
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    Re: Timbernation Rules

    I do how much? Thanks . regards
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    Re: Timbernation Rules

    I would love a solid wood rack like these mentioned here.

    However, I believe they would not fare well in our climate. I've been monitoring the humidity in my primary systems' room and without lighting or amplifiers powered up the humidity is stable this winter so far at 25-26%. When the lighting and/or amps are on for more than two hours, the humidity drops to to 21% and remains until things are powered off.

    In the summer we can have stints of 60-70% humidity for weeks at a time then drop to 30% or lower for weeks at a time.

    Can anyone here prove my thought process wrong that these types of racks that are made entirely of solid wood (not laminated & not veneers over MDF) and secured with single-screw points or glued-only WOULD NOT have shrinkage or warp issues in this radical of a dry climate?
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    Re: Timbernation Rules

    Chris may be able to help with that question .i would be interested in his response?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fxe02 View Post
    Chris may be able to help with that question .i would be interested in his response?
    Good point. I will write him to ask and will let you know what he says.
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    good question Mike. since all my racks are diy that ive had. ive tested this. the solid wood does tend to change with the seasons around here. the shelves of solid wood do seem to warp a little bit with the change in humidity. the racks frames which are 3x3's and 1x2's do not warp. the layered shelves do not warp either. its kinda like hardwood flooring(real hardwood) you need to bring it home and let it sit in its enviroment for a bit to get used to the climate. if you bring hardwood floor in your house and just lay it down immediately, you will be faced with lots of expanding and shrinkage. also these shelves are mostly made of maple for its non resonant qualities, and is a softer wood. thats why regular furniture(mostly) is made of oak, because its rock solid and wont expand or contract as much as other softer woods.
    but overall its not bad . if your not looking for it(like i do) you probably wont notice it.
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    Re: Timbernation Rules

    I know Chris only uses fully dried woods and guarantees them not to crack. As far as warping goes in extreme environments, I would reach out to him and ask. He is a really great guy. Certainly I have not noticed any issues at all to date. Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petro85 View Post
    good question Mike. since all my racks are diy that ive had. ive tested this. the solid wood does tend to change with the seasons around here. the shelves of solid wood do seem to warp a little bit with the change in humidity. the racks frames which are 3x3's and 1x2's do not warp. the layered shelves do not warp either. its kinda like hardwood flooring(real hardwood) you need to bring it home and let it sit in its enviroment for a bit to get used to the climate. if you bring hardwood floor in your house and just lay it down immediately, you will be faced with lots of expanding and shrinkage. also these shelves are mostly made of maple for its non resonant qualities, and is a softer wood. thats why regular furniture(mostly) is made of oak, because its rock solid and wont expand or contract as much as other softer woods.
    but overall its not bad . if your not looking for it(like i do) you probably wont notice it.
    All good points Steve, thanks for your input. I especially agree about letting wood acclimate when it arrives. We've done exactly as you say with wood flooring in the past.

    I spoke to Chris and he said he's shipped racks all over the world including many to Arizona which can have even wilder humidity swings than Colorado does. He said he's only had a few racks out of a thousand or more that have ever had issues due to environment. Chris stands behind his product and guarantees their quality / stability so that's a great thing!

    The Timbernation racks' looks and pricing are very attractive but I'm still a touch concerned about the solid-piece-of-wood aspect compared to the inherent stability that a laminated butcher block design would offer. All I know is that any solid timber that I've used in projects here (including true 3x12 Douglas Fir for deck stairs) will twist, shrink and check even with layers of protective coatings whether indoors or outside. About the only way I've ever been able to minimize twisting is to use multiple screw down points or "hangers" for framing. With solid woods in this environment its next to impossible to prevent checking and shrinking of timber no matter how many screws you use though.

    I need to think about this some more....
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlexibleAudio View Post
    I know Chris only uses fully dried woods and guarantees them not to crack. As far as warping goes in extreme environments, I would reach out to him and ask. He is a really great guy. Certainly I have not noticed any issues at all to date. Good luck.
    Correct Paul, Chris does use properly dried wood in his construction.

    But, I don't think "dried wood in Pennsylvania" is the same as "dried wood in Colorado" due to the ambient humidity differences normally seen in each location.

    As mentioned above, solid wood has never done well in my home thus far.

    Since Chris guarantees his product maybe I should just roll the dice and see how one of his racks would fare.
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    Re: Timbernation Rules

    It gets pretty dry up here in Canada in the winter as well. Some people use a humidifier in the winter. I have the opposite problem as I have a few large aquariums that ups the humidity. I have to run a dehumidifier in the winter to get it under 50%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeCh View Post
    All good points Steve, thanks for your input. I especially agree about letting wood acclimate when it arrives. We've done exactly as you say with wood flooring in the past.

    I spoke to Chris and he said he's shipped racks all over the world including many to Arizona which can have even wilder humidity swings than Colorado does. He said he's only had a few racks out of a thousand or more that have ever had issues due to environment. Chris stands behind his product and guarantees their quality / stability so that's a great thing!

    The Timbernation racks' looks and pricing are very attractive but I'm still a touch concerned about the solid-piece-of-wood aspect compared to the inherent stability that a laminated butcher block design would offer. All I know is that any solid timber that I've used in projects here (including true 3x12 Douglas Fir for deck stairs) will twist, shrink and check even with layers of protective coatings whether indoors or outside. About the only way I've ever been able to minimize twisting is to use multiple screw down points or "hangers" for framing. With solid woods in this environment its next to impossible to prevent checking and shrinking of timber no matter how many screws you use though.

    I need to think about this some more....

    Wow, was this wood properly dried first (i.e., aged or kiln dried)? The moisture content of fresh cut is a whole different issue from humidity and one you will not need to worry about with Chris.

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    Wow, was this wood properly dried first (i.e., aged or kiln dried)? The moisture content of fresh cut is a whole different issue from humidity and one you will not need to worry about with Chris.
    Hi Paul,

    I would venture to guess that the Douglas Fir we used on our deck stairs (I'm pretty sure it was Doug Fir) was kiln dried and not all that well either. For an entire year after installation, we had seams of sap that were produced thru the stain on a few of the treads. Not knowing what Chris' source for wood is, I can't say what process he uses for drying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeCh View Post
    Hi Paul,

    I would venture to guess that the Douglas Fir we used on our deck stairs (I'm pretty sure it was Doug Fir) was kiln dried and not all that well either. For an entire year after installation, we had seams of sap that were produced thru the stain on a few of the treads. Not knowing what Chris' source for wood is, I can't say what process he uses for drying.
    The coniferous woods will do that. Hardwood shouldn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeCh View Post
    I would love a solid wood rack like these mentioned here.

    However, I believe they would not fare well in our climate. I've been monitoring the humidity in my primary systems' room and without lighting or amplifiers powered up the humidity is stable this winter so far at 25-26%. When the lighting and/or amps are on for more than two hours, the humidity drops to to 21% and remains until things are powered off.

    In the summer we can have stints of 60-70% humidity for weeks at a time then drop to 30% or lower for weeks at a time.

    Can anyone here prove my thought process wrong that these types of racks that are made entirely of solid wood (not laminated & not veneers over MDF) and secured with single-screw points or glued-only WOULD NOT have shrinkage or warp issues in this radical of a dry climate?
    I wouldn't worry about that, any woodworker with limited credential knows how to build furniture in such a way that wood shrinkage will not make it split. Secondly one of the purpose of wood finishes is to slow down changes in humidity levels in wood. Thirdly when they kiln dry wood they bring the moisture down to 6-7% within the wood fiber , one of the result is that wood will never be able to absorb humidity like it used to prior to drying.

    I live Montreal where relative humidity levels in a house goes from 80-90% in summer to 30% in the dead of winter. Been building hardwood furniture for over 20 years and never had one split.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedSectorA View Post
    I wouldn't worry about that, any woodworker with limited credential knows how to build furniture in such a way that wood shrinkage will not make it split. Secondly one of the purpose of wood finishes is to slow down changes in humidity levels in wood. Thirdly when they kiln dry wood they bring the moisture down to 6-7% within the wood fiber , one of the result is that wood will never be able to absorb humidity like it used to prior to drying.

    I live Montreal where relative humidity levels in a house goes from 80-90% in summer to 30% in the dead of winter. Been building hardwood furniture for over 20 years and never had one split.
    Thanks Dan!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeCh View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by FlexibleAudio View Post
    Wow, was this wood properly dried first (i.e., aged or kiln dried)? The moisture content of fresh cut is a whole different issue from humidity and one you will not need to worry about with Chris.
    Hi Paul,

    I would venture to guess that the Douglas Fir we used on our deck stairs (I'm pretty sure it was Doug Fir) was kiln dried and not all that well either. For an entire year after installation, we had seams of sap that were produced thru the stain on a few of the treads. Not knowing what Chris' source for wood is, I can't say what process he uses for drying.
    Wood for decks is normally not kiln dried, if you're lucky it was air dried for a while but that's it. It will twist and split as it dries due to stress points in the wood fibers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpinist View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by RedSectorA View Post
    I wouldn't worry about that, any woodworker with limited credential knows how to build furniture in such a way that wood shrinkage will not make it split. Secondly one of the purpose of wood finishes is to slow down changes in humidity levels in wood. Thirdly when they kiln dry wood they bring the moisture down to 6-7% within the wood fiber , one of the result is that wood will never be able to absorb humidity like it used to prior to drying.

    I live Montreal where relative humidity levels in a house goes from 80-90% in summer to 30% in the dead of winter. Been building hardwood furniture for over 20 years and never had one split.
    Thanks Dan!

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    My pleasure Ken! For those of you interested in Timber Nation's furniture I wouldn't worry about wood splitting as he has sound woodworking technique from what I saw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedSectorA View Post
    Wood for decks is normally not kiln dried, if you're lucky it was air dried for a while but that's it. It will twist and split as it dries due to stress points in the wood fibers.
    The timber we used wasn't specifically for outdoor or deck use but you may be right about the drying process. There is lots of this kind of timber used around here on the interiors of very large ski vacation homes from what my neighbor told me. He's the finish carpenter who helped me build our stairs. Who knows.

    Those 3x12's aren't the only solid wood items around here that have checked and shrunk though. I just used their bulk/size as an example of what can happen.

    p.s. as I mentioned, since Chris stands behind his product I may just do it and see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedSectorA View Post
    I wouldn't worry about that, any woodworker with limited credential knows how to build furniture in such a way that wood shrinkage will not make it split. Secondly one of the purpose of wood finishes is to slow down changes in humidity levels in wood. Thirdly when they kiln dry wood they bring the moisture down to 6-7% within the wood fiber , one of the result is that wood will never be able to absorb humidity like it used to prior to drying.

    I live Montreal where relative humidity levels in a house goes from 80-90% in summer to 30% in the dead of winter. Been building hardwood furniture for over 20 years and never had one split.
    Thanks for the info Dan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sandman View Post
    The coniferous woods will do that. Hardwood shouldn't.
    Yep

    Quote Originally Posted by RedSectorA View Post
    I wouldn't worry about that, any woodworker with limited credential knows how to build furniture in such a way that wood shrinkage will not make it split. Secondly one of the purpose of wood finishes is to slow down changes in humidity levels in wood. Thirdly when they kiln dry wood they bring the moisture down to 6-7% within the wood fiber , one of the result is that wood will never be able to absorb humidity like it used to prior to drying.

    I live Montreal where relative humidity levels in a house goes from 80-90% in summer to 30% in the dead of winter. Been building hardwood furniture for over 20 years and never had one split.
    Yep

    Quote Originally Posted by RedSectorA View Post
    Wood for decks is normally not kiln dried, if you're lucky it was air dried for a while but that's it. It will twist and split as it dries due to stress points in the wood fibers.

    And yep

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    Real wood always changes with the humidity in it's environment but only very little if the wood has been dried right. Air dried will move -twist or crack if not dried the proper amount of time. All my wood is dehumidified to 7% and then water is reintroduced to take to back up to 23% and then redryed to 7%. That relieves it of all stores in the wood and it will not crack or warp. A lot of driers do not reintroduce water into the wood after it has dried to 7% because it takes 1 to 2 weeks to redry and time is money so they skip the most important part of drying the wood. I stand100% behind my racks and if anyone ever has problems I take care of them. I do not leave my customers out to dry PUN

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    Thanks for the info Dan.
    Mike you are 100% correct
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    Awhile back I had Chris build me some stands for my eucalyptus harbet shl5s. Turned out gorgeous. And they were cheap too!!!

    can you send me a pic of the set up of the stands with the speakers on them. Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeCh View Post
    I would love a solid wood rack like these mentioned here.

    However, I believe they would not fare well in our climate. I've been monitoring the humidity in my primary systems' room and without lighting or amplifiers powered up the humidity is stable this winter so far at 25-26%. When the lighting and/or amps are on for more than two hours, the humidity drops to to 21% and remains until things are powered off.

    In the summer we can have stints of 60-70% humidity for weeks at a time then drop to 30% or lower for weeks at a time.

    Can anyone here prove my thought process wrong that these types of racks that are made entirely of solid wood (not laminated & not veneers over MDF) and secured with single-screw points or glued-only WOULD NOT have shrinkage or warp issues in this radical of a dry climate?
    Real wood always changes with the humidity in it's environment but only very little if the wood has been dried right. Air dried will move -twist or crack if not dried the proper amount of time. All my wood is dehumidified to 7% and then water is reintroduced to take to back up to 23% and then redryed to 7%. That relieves it of all stress in the wood and it will not crack or warp. A lot of driers do not reintroduce water into the wood after it has dried to 7% because it takes 1 to 2 weeks to redry and time is money so they skip the most important part of drying the wood. I stand100% behind my racks and if anyone ever has problems I take care of them. I do not leave my customers out to dry PUN

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    Quote Originally Posted by solidwood View Post
    Real wood always changes with the humidity in it's environment but only very little if the wood has been dried right. Air dried will move -twist or crack if not dried the proper amount of time. All my wood is dehumidified to 7% and then water is reintroduced to take to back up to 23% and then redryed to 7%. That relieves it of all stores in the wood and it will not crack or warp. A lot of driers do not reintroduce water into the wood after it has dried to 7% because it takes 1 to 2 weeks to redry and time is money so they skip the most important part of drying the wood. I stand100% behind my racks and if anyone ever has problems I take care of them. I do not leave my customers out to dry PUN
    Thanks for chiming in with your process Chris. Sounds like a winning combination! I'll be in contact.
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