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wizard
February 5, 2015, 07:54 AM
MX-R Twenty upgrade.

9600

Mike
February 5, 2015, 09:44 AM
Is the one on the left the 20 version and the one on the right the original??

wizard
February 5, 2015, 11:31 AM
Is the one on the left the 20 version and the one on the right the original??

Yes 20 version on the left.

Paul
February 5, 2015, 12:52 PM
Yes 20 version on the left.

Did you ever post your system pic ? Love to see it :)

System - FMA 268 + 223 + 1811 and WDT prototypes of The Processor 256 v3 - preamp/phonostage/adc/dac/digital recorder with 16TB memory, WDT The Mono Amps v2 - 200 watt class A 8 ohms Transconductance design, Custom Full-range bass/midrange + a tweeter and WHT speakers, Technics SP-10 Mk3 in a 100kg+ custom plinth with Thales Simplicity 2 and Axiom tonearms.

Garth
February 5, 2015, 04:40 PM
They may look the same once they are back in the case but the 20s sure sound better. At lest mine do. Thanks for the pic .

Mike
February 5, 2015, 04:50 PM
Garth - I bet those 20's sound amazing. Can you describe their sound?

the professor
February 5, 2015, 05:07 PM
Also

Do they get as warm as the older MX-Rs?

Garth
February 5, 2015, 05:15 PM
Much as others have said much quieter more space around players bigger and deeper sound stage. When you consider the KXR and MXR were very good to start with at the time I bought the MXR and KXR there was nothing in this area anyway that sounded as good for the money. The upgrade is not cheap but a big step up in sound. How do the new MXR20 and KXR20 stand against a pre and amp in that price range I do not know as I was not buying new. Ayre in general is good value for sound and quality IMO. But their is no way I can try them all I just heard them with my speakers and it worked for me. I think Ayre is fair on pricing as they seem to have a plan as to cost plus mark up. Not the we got a good review put the price up 10 grand . I have had no break downs I also upgraded my little used DX5. Replaced the Ayre phono with a Burmester 100 it did not seem like Ayre was all that into a R class phono build. The Ayre phono is good to very good but not great. The Burmester is great to wow.

Garth
February 5, 2015, 05:32 PM
Also

Do they get as warm as the older MX-Rs?

Ayre could tell you for sure The KXR20 seems a little cooler the The MXR 20 about the same but I did not put a thermometer on any of them. I leave mine on 24/7 as the guys at Ayre said to. I have 3 to 4 inches above the amp to the next self any more space than that and the cats would sleep on them they love heat. I have never had a over heating problem any shut downs were electrical storms. In a bad thunder storm I have had the pre turn off and the amps go to stand by. This is very good gear all in all. For this kind of money it should be and Ayre seems to get that IMO.

MDP
February 5, 2015, 06:11 PM
Congrats on some world class gear.

the professor
February 5, 2015, 06:25 PM
Thanks

Kingsrule
February 11, 2015, 09:42 AM
Looks like there are 4 fuses on the 20 boards.
Has anyone replaced them with an audiophile fuse?

joeinid
February 11, 2015, 02:07 PM
Looks like there are 4 fuses on the 20 boards.
Has anyone replaced them with an audiophile fuse?

Welcome to the forum kingsrule, thank you for joining.

Kingsrule
February 11, 2015, 04:33 PM
Thank You Joe!

joeinid
February 11, 2015, 04:39 PM
I am sorry for the previous account issues, that was my fault. I'm pretty sure. Glad you spoke up.


Thank You Joe!

Kingsrule
February 11, 2015, 05:34 PM
:coolyeah:

Garth
February 24, 2015, 08:11 PM
Ayre has said their will be a price increase March 15th of 5-30% Time to get that order in before midnight March 14th

joeinid
February 24, 2015, 08:18 PM
Prices Going Up March 15
First price increase in over six years
At Ayre we always offer our customers the best possible value that we can afford to give. Many of you can attest to how low our prices are compared to the performance our products deliver. Unfortunately, when push comes to shove, and part prices increase, for the eighth time, we have to respond.
But we can't just change prices without a grace period for you, our loyal base of excited music freaks.
So, in accordance with behaving in the same way we would like to be treated if we were our own customers, we would like to let you know that you have until March 14, 2015 to order product before prices go up.
Effective March 15th, a few of our legacy products will increase in price by between 5-30%. For specific product price changes, please contact your local Ayre dealer.
We're certain that even after this necessary price increase, you'll still find our gear to be well worth the money.
Thanks from all of us at Ayre, have a wonderful Spring!

Garth
February 24, 2015, 08:44 PM
With the 30% wage increase we are all getting this year. It will all work out fine no worries.

joeinid
February 24, 2015, 08:59 PM
With the 30% wage increase we are all getting this year. It will all work out fine no worries.

:roflmao:

I'm not considering Ayre anymore :(

MtnHam
February 24, 2015, 09:37 PM
Prices Going Up March 15
At Ayre we always offer our customers the best possible value that we can afford to give. Many of you can attest to how low our prices are compared to the performance our products deliver. Unfortunately, when push comes to shove, and part prices increase, for the eighth time, we have to respond.
But we can't just change prices without a grace period for you, our loyal base of excited music freaks.
So, in accordance with behaving in the same way we would like to be treated if we were our own customers, we would like to let you know that you have until March 14, 2015 to order product before prices go up.
Effective March 15th, a few of our legacy products will increase in price by between 5-30%. For specific product price changes, please contact your local Ayre dealer.
We're certain that even after this necessary price increase, you'll still find our gear to be well worth the money.
Thanks from all of us at Ayre, have a wonderful Spring!

Who made this statement?
"I'm not considering Ayre anymore":(

This suggests it is not you.

joeinid
February 24, 2015, 09:43 PM
Who made this statement?
"I'm not considering Ayre anymore":(

This suggests it is not you.

That was my statement. By the time I'd be ready to buy, pricing will be astronomical.

Mike
February 24, 2015, 10:16 PM
Did their costs increase 30% after already going up a lot for the 20 upgrade or is this a matter of not feeling they are spoken in the breath as the big boys unless they charge the most?

I don't get it.

Ayre was such a great value. Now...???


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Garth
February 24, 2015, 11:09 PM
Did their costs increase 30% after already going up a lot for the 20 upgrade or is this a matter of not feeling they are spoken in the breath as the big boys unless they charge the most?

I don't get it.

Ayre was such a great value. Now...???


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The email from ayre said from 5% to 30% it does not say which are 5 and which are 30 and not until March 15th.
As I am in Canada with the falling Canadian dollar to the USA dollar it will be worse maybe another 20 to 30 % the dollar has nothing to do with ayre just the way it is. The 5-30% really depends on what goes up 30% if it is the lower priced stuff not as bad. A MXR20 or KXR20 could be lot best to ask Ayre.

the professor
February 25, 2015, 01:17 PM
Until the new price list comes out - who knows?

Reading between the lines - the newer products that have been priced in the last year or less will have the small increases if at all, and the products that haven't changed prices in the last 6 years will have the larger increases.

Ayre in their history has never taken their customer for granted. In fact, just the fact that they are giving people almost months heads up, is pretty dang good business.

Kingsrule
February 25, 2015, 01:50 PM
Yep
Feels like the R products will go up least and the 5 series will go up the most...still a value

KeithR
February 25, 2015, 06:21 PM
my guess that the new 20 series stuff is 5% and the older stuff is more towards 30%. should be interesting.

KeithR
February 25, 2015, 06:24 PM
fwiw, aluminum and most commodities are at 5-year lows.

Garth
February 28, 2015, 03:25 PM
Last I heard the Rs are not going up. The other lines are going up. They gave plenty of warning so get those Gold Cards out. March 15th will be here soon.

jax4736
March 1, 2015, 11:08 PM
I just ordered the KXR Twenty and MXR Twenty. The KXR Twenty came in last Friday. It replaced a non-20 KX-5. What a big jump in sound. For me, it was a new purchase and not an upgrade, but the new units and upgrades are the same.

Eagerly anticipating the arrival of the MXR Twenties.

Mike
March 1, 2015, 11:12 PM
Congrats Jax! Can you describe the improvements in sound?


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jax4736
March 1, 2015, 11:17 PM
Still in burn in period, but so far:

Vocals smoother
Instruments sound more like the real thing
harp and Woodwinds sound really in the listenmg I've done so far.
choral works: I can better make out the imdividual singers

just a big Wow, I've wanted the KXR for years and I had the ability to bite the bullet.

I'm mainly listening to 176/24 download from my QB-9DSD DAC.

Unusually, I'm using Shunyata. I don't find many using Shunyata with Ayre but I love the sound. I picked up two Sigma Analog power cords for my KXR and QB9. I ordered two high current Sigmas with the MXR's. The Shunyata brings jet black backgrounds, and detail. Music comes out of a black vacuum.

Garth
March 1, 2015, 11:26 PM
It is a good preamp I am sure you will be happy with it

jax4736
March 1, 2015, 11:28 PM
Wondering what the MXR20's have in store. I should have them in a week or two. Coming from a non-20 VX-5. Before that I had the V-5xe. My speakers are Wilson Alexias, which are a tough load.

kzhtoo
March 2, 2015, 01:29 AM
Still in burn in period, but so far:

Vocals smoother
Instruments sound more like the real thing
harp and Woodwinds sound really in the listenmg I've done so far.
choral works: I can better make out the imdividual singers

just a big Wow, I've wanted the KXR for years and I had the ability to bite the bullet.

I'm mainly listening to 176/24 download from my QB-9DSD DAC.

Unusually, I'm using Shunyata. I don't find many using Shunyata with Ayre but I love the sound. I picked up two Sigma Analog power cords for my KXR and QB9. I ordered two high current Sigmas with the MXR's. The Shunyata brings jet black backgrounds, and detail. Music comes out of a black vacuum.

I could be wrong but wouldn't Sigma digital power cord be better suited for QB9?

jax4736
March 2, 2015, 01:31 AM
I've heard folks prefer the Analog. But I may try the digital for comparison.

enatai252
March 7, 2015, 09:50 PM
I shipped out three MXR amps on February 13th and Ayre turned around the upgrades and got back to me last night. Very pleased with their timing. I also am moving the current VX5 which powers the surrounds to a vx5 twenty The old vx5 is moving to the bedroom system

i set up everything today and look forward to listening tomorrow....would love to start tonight but my wife has made other plans for me. The MXR power Alexia's for LR through a KXR 20 I upgraded last summer. The third MXR powers a mezzo. I have had the original MXR for 3 years and look forward to what the upgrade will bring. I was very impressed with the preamp upgrade and hope for more of the same. Will start a new thread sharing my thought later this week

jax4736
March 7, 2015, 11:57 PM
I shipped out three MXR amps on February 13th and Ayre turned around the upgrades and got back to me last night. Very pleased with their timing. I also am moving the current VX5 which powers the surrounds to a vx5 twenty The old vx5 is moving to the bedroom system

i set up everything today and look forward to listening tomorrow....would love to start tonight but my wife has made other plans for me. The MXR power Alexia's for LR through a KXR 20 I upgraded last summer. The third MXR powers a mezzo. I have had the original MXR for 3 years and look forward to what the upgrade will bring. I was very impressed with the preamp upgrade and hope for more of the same. Will start a new thread sharing my thought later this week

Looking forward to your thoughts! My KXR20 is improving even more, aftef a week of break in. With luck, my MXR20's will be here next weekend. I hope the Ayre price increase isn't resulting in a surge of last minute orders at the factory.

KXR improvements: the soundstage is getting wider and deeper. Bass is more articulate. Right now, my Alexias are still being driven by a non-20 VX-5.

jax4736
March 15, 2015, 01:38 AM
Looking forward to your thoughts! My KXR20 is improving even more, aftef a week of break in. With luck, my MXR20's will be here next weekend. I hope the Ayre price increase isn't resulting in a surge of last minute orders at the factory.

KXR improvements: the soundstage is getting wider and deeper. Bass is more articulate. Right now, my Alexias are still being driven by a non-20 VX-5.

Oh, my

the MX-R Twenties arrived last Monday. Had them burning all weekend. They are probably still burning in. My new power cables for them aren't in yet - I ordered two Shunyata Sigma HC PC's for them. Using some Shunyata Venom 3's I had laying around.

The MX-R's are impressing me, deeply. Yes, the bass is deeper. It also has better pitch and tonality, it's not just more "low" sounds. I hear more of a soundstage than I did with my VX-5. Huge wow.

I will post more impressions when the power cables arrive, and I have some burn in time.

joeinid
March 15, 2015, 02:09 AM
Great news! Thanks for the update. I can't wait for more .... I am afraid to hear the new Twenty combo.

Garth
March 15, 2015, 03:24 AM
Oh, my

the MX-R Twenties arrived last Monday. Had them burning all weekend. They are probably still burning in. My new power cables for them aren't in yet - I ordered two Shunyata Sigma HC PC's for them. Using some Shunyata Venom 3's I had laying around.

The MX-R's are impressing me, deeply. Yes, the bass is deeper. It also has better pitch and tonality, it's not just more "low" sounds. I hear more of a soundstage than I did with my VX-5. Huge wow.

I will post more impressions when the power cables arrive, and I have some burn in time.

I have read a few posts wondering if the upgrades are worth doing and no posts saying it was not worth doing. While the cost to up grade is not pocket change it is a big change the KXR and MXR just look the same as the 20s the sound is much better.
I wonder how they compare to say a soulution it would be interesting.