Holy Shindo!

[Mike]

Shindo Labs Complete Custom System Petrus, WE300B, custom field coil speakers, turntable | Full range | Catskill, New York 12414 | AudiogoN - The High-end Audio Community (http://app.audiogon.com/listings/full-range-shindo-labs-complete-custom-system-petrus-we300b-custom-field-coil-speakers-turntable-2014-12-11-speakers-12414-catskill-ny)

[mep]

Looks like a real bargain so you better jump on it quick.

[dlb2]

Amazing system. Can't believe he's trying to sell it on A'gon and not through a dealer or even Jonathan himself.

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[mep]

Amazing system. Can't believe he's trying to sell it on A'gon and not through a dealer or even Jonathan himself.

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Is it amazing because it's Shindo or is it amazing because it really sounds amazing? Has anyone heard this system?

[KeithR]

Defines turn-key system :)

Curious to what he's replacing with. Or maybe he was levered to oil prices~!

[joeinid]

Mike,

Can you loan me a few thousand until my second mortgage comes through? I want to bid on that system :) He's pretty local.

[dlb2]

Joe, I'm available to drive the U-haul if you need a hand.

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[joeinid]

Thanks Doug. I'll need the help. I hope I can scare up enough for the gas money. ;)



Joe, I'm available to drive the U-haul if you need a hand.

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[joeinid]

Thanks Doug. I'll need the help. I hope Ican scare up enough for the gas money. ;)



Joe, I'm available to drive the U-haul if you need a hand.

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[dlb2]

If you have an extra bed, I'll pay for gas. It might cost you one of those IC's though.

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[Mike]

Is it amazing because it's Shindo or is it amazing because it really sounds amazing? Has anyone heard this system?

Good question. It's amazing to me because of the total price. Not that it is or is not worth it - but you don't see entire system sales at this level often. Shindo gear really holds its value that's for one thing.


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[Paul]

I would love to buy the whole system.....:(

[dlb2]

I would love to buy the whole system.....:(
It would be your dream system Paul.

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[tunes]

Oh yeah ! That must be one killer system.
Would love the shindo garrard 301. Drool.

[sonnyv727]

I'll ad this system on my holiday wish list Mike...:rolleyes:

[Katoomer]

the speakers are the real prize. Rest of the gear is off the shelf. Doubt you'll ever see another pair of
speakers like those. Amazing

[joeinid]

Anything for you Doug!

Thanks.


If you have an extra bed, I'll pay for gas. It might cost you one of those IC's though.

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[kev313]

the speakers are the real prize. Rest of the gear is off the shelf. Doubt you'll ever see another pair of
speakers like those. Amazing

Where the heck did those speakers come from? Wow.


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[kev313]

Looks like a real bargain so you better jump on it quick.

Maybe. It's either crazy money OR less than what is now the cost of the flagship speakers from many high end companies for Shindo's best products. Eye of the beholder,I guess.


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[mep]

Shindo gear is made with NOS vintage parts if I read AD correctly. How would that stack up with a Marantz Model 7 pre and a pair of Model 9 amps?

[kev313]

Shindo gear is made with NOS vintage parts if I read AD correctly. How would that stack up with a Marantz Model 7 pre and a pair of Model 9 amps?

Would stack up ok, but I'd keep the heavy stuff on the bottom,


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[soundqcar]

I once listened at length to his Vosne Romanee pre-amp. It was spectacular. I unfortunately require remote capabilities, so she'll never be mine. :(

[mep]

Would stack up ok, but I'd keep the heavy stuff on the bottom,


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Sounds like something I would have said. :)

[kev313]

Ok ok ... My honest answer would be that you would probably see some similarity in the vintage type parts and Shindo definitely has classic build quality - exceptional point to point wiring. The parts are a mix of old and new, however, and selected for sound in a particular circuit. There is, I believe, no similarity between Shindo and Marantz circuits. Shindo was not unfamiliar with classic US hifi. As such, the sound is not easily compared.

Contrary to popular belief, usually heard from those with not much experience with the gear, Shindo is not "colored," "warm," or "romantic" in my experience. It has no relationship whatsoever to classic Mc sound and my Shindo preamps (Aurieges, Monbrison, and VR) sounded nothing like my Marantz 7. I have no experience with the 9s.


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[mep]

I have absolutely zero experience with Shindo gear. However, I don't know how you can build gear using vintage parts and not have some vintage sound creep in there.

[Mike]

Mark - here is my best advice: don't ever audition Shindo gear. It will ruin you. It has a haunting, goosebump inducing, magical, beautiful sound that I have never heard from any other tube based system. Even the lower priced Shindo gear has such a haunting magical quality. I prefer it to the best of the best tube gear I've heard - including Audio Note and anything else I can drum up in my brain from past listening.

Not to start a whole war/fight, but my issue with Shindo is two fold: SOME owners are downright nasty if someone even hints that Shindo might not be to their liking (for whatever reason, even though they've probably never heard it). Note to Shindo owners: your sh!t is the best I've heard, it's probably the best you've heard, you know it, I know it, 99.99999999999999% of everyone who has ACTUALLY HEARD Shindo knows it - so stop worrying....laugh at the fools who have never heard it, but yet have offer opinions on Shindo.

Second, I think Shindo gear is so good it has a wider application than JH is prepared to admit. Don't believe it? Email Shindo Japan like I did and ask them about pairing Tannoy (or something similar) with Shindo and you will likely get a two thumbs up response like I did.

Yes, yes, yes, I get the whole synergy thing....but synergy extends beyond brands being carried by a certain distributor is carrying. Why? Because no one could possibly know all the good, better, best combinations. Why? Because combinations are near limitless.

Back to the topic at hand....that turnkey Shindo system would be a dream for any Shindo owner/prospective owner.

[Paul]

Mark - here is my best advice: don't ever audition Shindo gear. It will ruin you. It has a haunting, goosebump inducing, magical, beautiful sound that I have never heard from any other tube based system. Even the lower priced Shindo gear has such a haunting magical quality. I prefer it to the best of the best tube gear I've heard - including Audio Note and anything else I can drum up in my brain from past listening.

Not to start a whole war/fight, but my issue with Shindo is two fold: SOME owners are downright nasty if someone even hints that Shindo is not to their liking (for whatever reason). Note to Shindo owners: your sh!t is the best I've heard, it's probably the best you've heard, you know it, I know it, 99.99999999999999% of everyone who has ACTUALLY HEARD Shindo knows it - so stop worrying....laugh at the fools who have never heard it, but yet have offer opinions on Shindo.

Second, I think Shindo gear is so good it has a wider application than JH is prepared to admit. Don't believe it? Email Shindo Japan like I did and ask them about pairing Tannoy (or something similar) with Shindo and you will likely get a two thumbs up response like I did.

Yes, yes, yes, I get the whole synergy thing....but synergy extends beyond brands being carried by a certain distributor is carrying. Why? Because no one could possibly know all the good, better, best combinations. Why? Because combinations are near limitless.

Back to the topic at hand....that turnkey Shindo system would be a dream for any Shindo owner/prospective owner.

That's me ! :roflmao:

Well said Mike ~!

[joeinid]

When Mike's right, he's right. Note to self, don't listen to Shindo.


That's me ! :roflmao:

Well said Mike ~!

[arthurs]

here is my best advice: don't ever audition Shindo gear. It will ruin you.

I'm screwed....

[NOLG4EVR]

This is a beautiful system and possibly the ultimate Shindo set-up. With the exception of the speakers I am familiar with the retail prices on the components and am not sure how he came to his price. Unless the speakers are VERY expensive 285k retail seems high. Regardless of price this is definitely a Shindo lovers dream.

[KeithR]

Ok ok ... My honest answer would be that you would probably see some similarity in the vintage type parts and Shindo definitely has classic build quality - exceptional point to point wiring. The parts are a mix of old and new, however, and selected for sound in a particular circuit. There is, I believe, no similarity between Shindo and Marantz circuits. Shindo was not unfamiliar with classic US hifi. As such, the sound is not easily compared.

Contrary to popular belief, usually heard from those with not much experience with the gear, Shindo is not "colored," "warm," or "romantic" in my experience. It has no relationship whatsoever to classic Mc sound and my Shindo preamps (Aurieges, Monbrison, and VR) sounded nothing like my Marantz 7. I have no experience with the 9s.


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Shindo isn't warm? a bit vintage, warm sound is how I would describe Shindo sound to a newbie.

[kev313]

Shindo isn't warm? old school/vintage, warm sound is how I would describe Shindo sound to a newbie.

Yes, sorry, I would totally disagree. Then again, these words are imprecise and mean different things to different people. My system and Shindo experience are fairly public for any to evaluate the context of my comments. Within that, I do not find Shindo to be vintage at all. At least in the sense that it means fuzzy, non-dynamic, veiled, not resolute, etc. Those...er... Co morbidities frequently accompany "warm," "vintage," and "romantic."


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[KeithR]

warm isn't a bad thing, Kev313. music itself is warm.

[omodo]

This is a beautiful system and possibly the ultimate Shindo set-up. With the exception of the speakers I am familiar with the retail prices on the components and am not sure how he came to his price. Unless the speakers are VERY expensive 285k retail seems high. Regardless of price this is definitely a Shindo lovers dream.

Indeed, unless he paid 150+ for the speakers, seems unlikely..

I believe this system has been on the market for a while, just not quite so publicly. An acquaintance told me about it at least 6 months ago, and the figure was substantially lower than being asked now. I guess the owner has traded it and the dealer is trying to flip it?..

[Mike]

Indeed, unless he paid 150+ for the speakers, seems unlikely..

I believe this system has been on the market for a while, just not quite so publicly. An acquaintance told me about it at least 6 months ago, and the figure was substantially lower than being asked now. I guess the owner has traded it and the dealer is trying to flip it?..

Yeah, I heard he went to Q7's and Soulution.


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[kev313]

Yeah, I heard he went to Q7's and Soulution.


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Nope. He's working on a more.....complicated arrangement.


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[Mike]

Nope. He's working on a more.....complicated arrangement.


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Wow...do tell....


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[kev313]

Indeed, unless he paid 150+ for the speakers, seems unlikely..

I believe this system has been on the market for a while, just not quite so publicly. An acquaintance told me about it at least 6 months ago, and the figure was substantially lower than being asked now. I guess the owner has traded it and the dealer is trying to flip it?..

The seller on Audiogon is not the owner and he is not a dealer. It is, I suspect, Jeffrey Jackson...as you can see, the Audiogon seller name is Experience Music.


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[Mike]

I want those 300b amps! Those are sweet.


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[kev313]

I want those 300b amps! Those are sweet.


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Me too!


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[socfan12]

The ad mentions 'the Shindo dealer in NY'. Anyone know if that is In Living Stereo?

[Myles B. Astor]

The ad mentions 'the Shindo dealer in NY'. Anyone know if that is In Living Stereo?

That would be my guess.

[Hues]

Me too!

Make that three of us!

[Bruce]

I requested to view some Pictures--Nix/nada--guess they smell the curious--even so the pictures are sparse and none of the TT

Bruce

[kev313]

Indeed, unless he paid 150+ for the speakers, seems unlikely..

I believe this system has been on the market for a while, just not quite so publicly. An acquaintance told me about it at least 6 months ago, and the figure was substantially lower than being asked now. I guess the owner has traded it and the dealer is trying to flip it?..

Latours are what? 70,000 or 80,000. Custom designed one off Shindo speakers with three field coils each were probably well past the Latour range.


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[Katoomer]

Are you guys missing the whole point of these speakers? Custom designed and built by a Master that is dead. Most likely the only pair ever built like that. If I played in that league I would buy them in a heartbeat.

[arthurs]

I once listened at length to his Vosne Romanee pre-amp. It was spectacular. I unfortunately require remote capabilities, so she'll never be mine. :(

I'm haunted by the time I spent listening to the VR.....she will be mine....yes, she will be mine.....:evil:

[omodo]

The seller on Audiogon is not the owner and he is not a dealer. It is, I suspect, Jeffrey Jackson...as you can see, the Audiogon seller name is Experience Music.


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I realise it's not the owner. I did see the name and thought it might have been Jeffrey Jackson but didn't bother looking into it further (low feedback, etc). Dealer/Manufacturer, just semantics really.

[omodo]

Latours are what? 70,000 or 80,000. Custom designed one off Shindo speakers with three field coils each were probably well past the Latour range.


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Perhaps, but really just another pair of drivers (+ associated modifications, power supply), the horns (JBL 537-500) are more easily obtainable than those used in the Latour, cabinets appear more complicated. Of course we're all just speculating, maybe Jonathan can share more information.


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[NOLG4EVR]

I'm haunted by the time I spent listening to the VR.....she will be mine....yes, she will be mine.....:evil:


You will not be sorry purchasing a VR. I listen to mine nearly every night and am still amazed at the detail and musicality it brings to the presentation. Go for it.

[Jerome W]

Mark - here is my best advice: don't ever audition Shindo gear. It will ruin you. It has a haunting, goosebump inducing, magical, beautiful sound that I have never heard from any other tube based system. Even the lower priced Shindo gear has such a haunting magical quality. I prefer it to the best of the best tube gear I've heard - including Audio Note and anything else I can drum up in my brain from past listening.

Not to start a whole war/fight, but my issue with Shindo is two fold: SOME owners are downright nasty if someone even hints that Shindo might not be to their liking (for whatever reason, even though they've probably never heard it). Note to Shindo owners: your sh!t is the best I've heard, it's probably the best you've heard, you know it, I know it, 99.99999999999999% of everyone who has ACTUALLY HEARD Shindo knows it - so stop worrying....laugh at the fools who have never heard it, but yet have offer opinions on Shindo.

Second, I think Shindo gear is so good it has a wider application than JH is prepared to admit. Don't believe it? Email Shindo Japan like I did and ask them about pairing Tannoy (or something similar) with Shindo and you will likely get a two thumbs up response like I did.

Yes, yes, yes, I get the whole synergy thing....but synergy extends beyond brands being carried by a certain distributor is carrying. Why? Because no one could possibly know all the good, better, best combinations. Why? Because combinations are near limitless.

Back to the topic at hand....that turnkey Shindo system would be a dream for any Shindo owner/prospective owner.

Mike....

I am impressed how your Shindo love grew up.
Without knowing you well, I think again about some PM's we had about a pair of speakers that you once had and sold.


You must be clearly a Music lover.
Shindo, like some other brands, are made for music lovers. Not for sound lovers.
They allow us to connect better with the artistic performance.
I am less and less impressed by systems who make little music and "impressive" sounds.
Systems who put you deep in the performance are pretty rare and become easily identified when we educate ears.






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[mep]

Mike....

I am impressed how your Shindo love grew up.
Without knowing you well, I think again about some PM's we had about a pair of speakers that you once had and sold.


You must be clearly a Music lover.
Shindo, like some other brands, are made for music lovers. Not for sound lovers.
They allow us to connect better with the artistic performance.
I am less and less impressed by systems who make little music and "impressive" sounds.
Systems who put you deep in the performance are pretty rare and become easily identified when we educate ears.






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I don't want to derail this Shindo thread, but I have found a pair of speaker cables that does exactly that in my system. They simply connect you deeper inside of the performance. It's like someone came into your room and removed unnecessary components from your system that were creating barriers between you and the music. Back to Shindo.

[arthurs]

I don't want to derail this Shindo thread, but I have found a pair of speaker cables that does exactly that in my system. They simply connect you deeper inside of the performance. It's like someone came into your room and removed unnecessary components from your system that were creating barriers between you and the music. Back to Shindo.

Well? What are they?

[mep]

Well? What are they?

Viero Equilibrio Level 3 speaker cables. Hopefully my review will be published shortly. I happen to know another reviewer who currently has these cables that I reviewed in his system for a follow-up review. ;) I miss those cables dearly.

[Mike]

Viero Equilibrio Level 3 speaker cables. Hopefully my review will be published shortly. I happen to know another reviewer who currently has these cables that I reviewed in his system for a follow-up review. ;) I miss those cables dearly.

Mark, you obviously missed the memo: Cables Don't Matter. :P

[mep]

Mark, you obviously missed the memo: Cables Don't Matter. :P

Mike-You are quite right. I missed that memo and the rest of the flat-earther memos

[kev313]

If you guys are interested in gorgeous, field coil based, Shindo friendly type speakers, I would urge you to contact Jonathan and look at the New A23 based speakers using LM drivers. http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/13/20534c637b0bdc32db59e81c63cb65d0.jpg


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[Mike]

Beautiful! Have you had a chance to hear them?


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[Jerome W]

If you guys are interested in gorgeous, field coil based, Shindo friendly type speakers, I would urge you to contact Jonathan and look at the New A23 based speakers using LM drivers. http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/13/20534c637b0bdc32db59e81c63cb65d0.jpg


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I love their look !


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[kev313]

Beautiful! Have you had a chance to hear them?


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Yes, but not in person. They are quite new. 2 way. Field coils. That LM tweeter is supposed to be out of this world good.


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[mep]

Yes, but not in person. They are quite new. 2 way. Field coils. That LM tweeter is supposed to be out of this world good.


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Huh? How did you pull that off?

[kev313]

Huh? How did you pull that off?

It's pretty advanced technology. Video. With sound.


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[mep]

It's pretty advanced technology. Video. With sound.


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Well then, I guess I have pretty much heard every speaker in the world, just not in person.

[kev313]

Well then, I guess I have pretty much heard every speaker in the world, just not in person.

Easy fella. I'm not making any representations on the sound based on listening. Just pointing out the existence of an interesting speaker. Jeez ... Virtual hanging out with you on a forum is like hugging a triangle.


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[Cucumber_jones]

If you can't afford the speakers kev posted there are always these auditoriums. http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/13/7fca029b06f030403c50a992c114766b.jpg


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[Mike]

If you guys are interested in gorgeous, field coil based, Shindo friendly type speakers, I would urge you to contact Jonathan and look at the New A23 based speakers using LM drivers. http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/13/20534c637b0bdc32db59e81c63cb65d0.jpg


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I would LOVE to hear these.


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[briguy]

Perhaps, but really just another pair of drivers (+ associated modifications, power supply), the horns (JBL 537-500) are more easily obtainable than those used in the Latour, cabinets appear more complicated. Of course we're all just speculating, maybe Jonathan can share more information.


http://i57.tinypic.com/712y6r.jpg


I've seen the invoice for this system. These speakers were $144K new. I think the whole system was $260K new. I bet the system could be had for $160K. Biggest advantage is probably not having to wait for everything to come in.

[briguy]

These are hot! Any idea what they are gonna cost?

[kev313]

These are hot! Any idea what they are gonna cost?

What?


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[Schmitt]

This system has been sold. It was one of the better Shindo Systems.

[rower]

I looked at it before it was advertised. He would only sell it as a system and I didn't have the room for those speakers.

He - and I know who it is - sold it because he didn't think it sounded great. Jeffrey is building him a full custom horn system. Already actually. Jeffrey is building some amazing horns and dedicated amps/preamps to go with them. I heard one of his monsters and it is impressive.

[kev313]

Out in the commune?


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[rower]

Looked at it virtually and spoke to him and Jeffrey (who first introduced me to it). Yeah, I didn't go to the barn where it was located. Saw the pic's though.

[Walter]

Now, you shouldnt do this anymore.

[rower]

I've seen the invoice for this system. These speakers were $144K new. I think the whole system was $260K new. I bet the system could be had for $160K. Biggest advantage is probably not having to wait for everything to come in.

Old memories, as i thought about this system many times but the speaker size was daunting and years later I am still waiting for the building permit to build where it would have gone. It was redundant with what i had too in many places. But those speakers looked so good... though I will have to put up with my Latours instead! Ha! Jeffrey Jackson was building him custom horns,

[Walter]

"I've seen the invoice for this system. These speakers were $144K new. I think the whole system was $260K new. I bet the system could be had for $160K. Biggest advantage is probably not having to wait for everything to come in."

Net worth maybe $14K. Rest is for profit only.