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M2wason
February 16, 2014, 11:10 PM
Not sure if this has been covered yet but I have a question. If silver is the best conductor for let say speaker cable, beside the cost, what else is the disadvantage or problem with using pure silver (99.9%) silver cable?

Mike

Mike
February 16, 2014, 11:43 PM
I've had silver cables and found them bright sounding. I've heard some say that over time the silver will calm down and actually really sound quite smooth. I just never heard that in my system. I had Wireworld Silver Eclipse speaker cables, IC's and PC's. Was happy to sell them all.

I much prefer OCC copper.


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M2wason
February 17, 2014, 12:33 AM
Thanks for sharing your experience Mike.

Paul
February 17, 2014, 12:40 AM
As long as if you mixed up some copper in your I/C the pure silver speaker cables can be sounds beautiful. I'm using all pure silver I/C ( Kimber KS 1136's ) and mixed ( Silver/Copper - Kimber KS3035 speaker cables ) on my system and I love how they produce the sounds. However when I auditioned the KS3038( all pure silver ) as Mike mentioned sounds was little bright to my taste. ( if your system sounds little dark you might want to try these )

Just be careful it can be very expensive.

Petro85
February 17, 2014, 12:47 AM
i had a similar experience. i didnt own them but several years ago i demoed a pair of silver speaker cables. im trying to remember what brand they were but i cannot. at the time i did like 6 pairs in a row to test. only 1 pair was silver an they were very bright and irritating, but also caused so much interference from wires that were just close to them. i couldnt find places to hide all my wires fast enough, of course my electric back then was just plugging straight into a wall. but i always stuck with copper after that. but i do like the sound of silver interconnects alot.

A/V Solutions
February 17, 2014, 03:03 AM
I really dis-like silver for speaker cables......I find the system becomes hard and splashy, very unnatural like. I can use silver anywhere else in the chain and not experience the negatives I get when using silver for speaker cables. Just my findings and YYMV in regards to.....

sharkmouth
February 17, 2014, 03:49 AM
I've had silver cables and found them bright sounding. I've heard some say that over time the silver will calm down and actually really sound quite smooth. I just never heard that in my system. I had Wireworld Silver Eclipse speaker cables, IC's and PC's. Was happy to sell them all.

I much prefer OCC copper.


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Mike, they are copper, silver coated!
My experience is if you can find a seriously good pure silver cable, they are good, very good, but, they need to be balanced like Paul & Jeff are referring to with the right tone of gear around them. Having neutral & somewhat revealing gear will really have you cringing in an all silver loom, mainly because it is super revealing & you will here all the flaws on the recording too. In one of my past systems, S/Faber Strads & 2301's the W/World Platinum loom was absolutely awesome, same with the MSB gear mixing it up with Martin Logan Summit X speakers, but the common denominator is there is warmth in there to cool it down.

Mike
February 17, 2014, 07:50 AM
Mike, they are copper, silver coated!
My experience is if you can find a seriously good pure silver cable, they are good, very good, but, they need to be balanced like Paul & Jeff are referring to with the right tone of gear around them. Having neutral & somewhat revealing gear will really have you cringing in an all silver loom, mainly because it is super revealing & you will here all the flaws on the recording too. In one of my past systems, S/Faber Strads & 2301's the W/World Platinum loom was absolutely awesome, same with the MSB gear mixing it up with Martin Logan Summit X speakers, but the common denominator is there is warmth in there to cool it down.

I know. Still rubbish though. I've heard all silver in a friends system and he switched to copper. I preferred it. Check out the top cables and very few, if any, use silver.

Jazzhead
February 17, 2014, 09:29 AM
I know. Still rubbish though. I've heard all silver in a friends system and he switched to copper. I preferred it. Check out the top cables and very few, if any, use silver.

That's a broad generalisation , Siltech top line is Silver Mono Crystals , Stage3 Concepts are a silver/palladium mix , Argento Flow Master Ref are Silver , Echole Obsession silver/gold/palladium mix , Odin is silver plated copper >
I am using a complete Stage3 loom , with none of the associated tipped up sound attributed to silver , but with smoothness , depth of field and a natural organic tone .

Mike
February 17, 2014, 09:39 AM
That's a broad generalisation , Siltech top line is Silver Mono Crystals , Stage3 Concepts are a silver/palladium mix , Argento Flow Master Ref are Silver , Echole Obsession silver/gold/palladium mix , Odin is silver plated copper >
I am using a complete Stage3 loom , with none of the associated tipped up sound attributed to silver , but with smoothness , depth of field and a natural organic tone .

I'll keep an open mind, but I have just heard any of the positive attributes you describe. That being said, a friend of mine just picked up the new WW Platinum 7 speaker cables. He's been raving about them.


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RedSectorA
February 17, 2014, 10:56 AM
Using Siltech Royal Signature Series IC's and SC to no ill effects, they do have gold in them though but not sure which %. To me they are smooth as butter :). They do require to be left alone I noticed, every time I take one out the component becomes lifeless for about and hour after I reconnect.

As some have mentioned before I would not pair them with components that are overly analytical, then again YMMV.

Steve
February 17, 2014, 12:36 PM
Hi Mike... I have the WW Platinum Eclipse G7 LS & XLRs on a McIntosh 2ch tube rig. They are great, highly resolving. I got a deal & went with these but do prefer Siltech Royal Signature G7, Queen or higher. Overall, I am happy & they are continuing to improve as I clock on the hours.

M2wason
February 17, 2014, 01:17 PM
Gents. Thanks you so much for all your inputs about the silver cables but, do you guys mind looking at this company/site that seems to have great review about their 99.9% silver cables. I was also told that they cryo their silver and I think their termination too. Here's the links. Cables Service 4 (http://crystalclearaudio.com/serv04.htm) and their review: Cables Feedback Page (http://crystalclearaudio.com/feedback.htm) thank you so much.

joeinid
February 17, 2014, 01:42 PM
Welcome to the forum Steve!

M2wason
February 17, 2014, 02:04 PM
Thanks Steve, as a two channel Mac user except I have tube pre and ss amps, the WW Platinum Eclipse G7LS is something to consider. What are you using for speaker cables?

sharkmouth
February 17, 2014, 04:56 PM
Gents. Thanks you so much for all your inputs about the silver cables but, do you guys mind looking at this company/site that seems to have great review about their 99.9% silver cables. I was also told that they cryo their silver and I think their termination too. Here's the links. Cables Service 4 (http://crystalclearaudio.com/serv04.htm) and their review: Cables Feedback Page (http://crystalclearaudio.com/feedback.htm) thank you so much.


They look very nice, top quality build etc. Perhaps a try before you buy, I would be interested to hear these if I was in the market.

Steve
February 17, 2014, 11:01 PM
Thanks Steve, as a two channel Mac user except I have tube pre and ss amps, the WW Platinum Eclipse G7LS is something to consider. What are you using for speaker cables? Yes, apologies for the acronym. LS meaning, loudspeaker cables.

The WW Platinum Eclipse G7 are very well constructed. They are stiff, yet not prone to vibration from the loudspeaker terminals. I have wrapped them in Techflex F6 Quiet for additional vibrational control. Something I like to experiment with on loudspeaker cables in general. They are sitting on CableIsolators too. The cable has good RF noise rejection ability. I have had a meter up against them. I am particular about noise rejection ability & have been drawn & quartered about that discussion in the past "over there".

The WW G7 now incorporate the UniTerm termination system. Some other manufacturers are following suit. It's a good system, on the Platinum Eclipse, they are solid silver spades or bananas. A little on the soft side & I have yet to see if they oxidize. They probably will. Personally, at this price point, I would prefer more termination options like Siltech do.

If cost was no object, I would prefer something up in the Siltech Royal Signature G7 range. As the OP poster said above, smooth as butter. It's a golden sound at a golden price. The construction is second to none with the Kapton, heavy shielding & Furutech Flux termination option. That was the plan originally, but I was offered a substantial dealer discount for a WireWorld bundle. The price point was essentially wholesale at the time. No strings as I understood the deal to be. So if you are considering WireWorld, shop around & push the price!

WireWorld Platinum Eclipse are a great match for McIntosh equipment, especially tube. Silver does its best between the pre-amp & amps from my experience. Because I have experienced Siltech, the XLRs will someday replace the WireWorld Platinums at this stage. That said though, the WW Platinum Eclipse G7 are well up there performance wise & for now I can happily live with them as they continue to improve.

When it comes to any silver loudspeaker cable, you may want to demo against your Vandersteens & MC601s first. I'm not sure how resolute those alloy dome tweeters are. My loudspeakers use a silk dome tweeter & it is a perfect match after graduating from a silver plated copper wire. As for the XLRs between your pre & amps, I'm quite confident that you will benefit nicely with silver interconnects.

Given my current equipment inventory, the move to solid silver core is one of the best transitions I have made.

As for the Magnum Opus, I have heard good things. Try & demo if you can! They use Furutech Flux terminations. I use these plug terminations everywhere else. They are awesome but do take time to burn-in given the rhodium plating.

M2wason
February 19, 2014, 05:03 AM
Steve, thanks for your input on these. You sure have lots of experience in this field. Anyway I spoke to the owner of the Crystal CLear Audio Cables and he said that not all silver are the same as some called it pure silver where actually mixed with something else. Also it depends who is the source where it came from as he mention some of the non pure silver that claims to be pure were from China. He wouldn't say where his source is/are but one thing he told me is that I can take his cable and have it analyze for purity and if it's not 99.9999% silver, he will refund my money 100%.

The process that he does is that he Cryo treated the silver cable and as for the termination, he uses the cardas terminals. He has heard of the Wire World cables and in fact, lots of his customer AB his cable to the WW silver who said that the WW is the best but, after AB test, they didn't want to give back his cable back anymore kind of funny but true. Anyway, like you said I will demo his Magnum Opus decide for myself. Again thank you Steve. I will report back and give my feedback.

Mike

Steve
February 19, 2014, 05:43 AM
Mike...Look forward to your findings. Would be great to discover what other cable solutions excel with McIntosh gear.

Audioseduction
February 19, 2014, 10:06 AM
I tried a pair of pure silver interconnects several years back and did not care for the sound as it was way too bright for my tast. I prefer copper as it sounds much more natural and musical to me.

Steve
February 19, 2014, 11:02 AM
I tried a pair of pure silver interconnects several years back and did not care for the sound as it was way too bright for my tast. I prefer copper as it sounds much more natural and musical to me.

George...Agree it is not for every system. There are many factors where silver could emphasise brightness & fatigue. At the other end of the tonal scale, I've heard systems with copper cable that sound too dark, lacking that crystalline upper frequency sparkle. Again an improper cable match.

I ask myself what is missing when trying something new with familiar material. After a reasonable settling period 24-48hrs, if it is obviously apparent that part of the frequency range is lacking, then I exclude it. I don't believe in the concept or excuse that a product can sound poor to begin with before it reaches its potential after a lengthy burn-in period. It has to be better to begin with.

Bill13
April 8, 2014, 07:22 PM
I've had silver cables and found them bright sounding. I've heard some say that over time the silver will calm down and actually really sound quite smooth. I just never heard that in my system. I had Wireworld Silver Eclipse speaker cables, IC's and PC's. Was happy to sell them all.

I much prefer OCC copper.


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Mike a year ago we talked about this on the phone in regards to mc275 and the Elipsas. Do you still like copper?

Mike
April 8, 2014, 07:28 PM
Mike a year ago we talked about this on the phone in regards to mc275 and the Elipsas. Do you still like copper?

Yes. I would go Ansuz, Transparent or Nordost (for your setup). Shunyata would be a nice strictly neutral choice. Nordost and Ansuz would give you a little more sparkle and bass control.


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Bill13
April 8, 2014, 07:34 PM
I would like cables that would make my mc275 sound like mc601 when I play rock. I would not want to change the sound of the vocals

Mike
April 8, 2014, 07:39 PM
Ha! Where's BlueMcIntosh? I would TRY Nordost or Ansuz. But if you want your 275's to sound like 601's....uhhhhmmm....sell the 275's and buy 601's. The vocals on my 2500/601 combo is superb. 3D.


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Bill13
April 8, 2014, 07:44 PM
Ha! Where's BlueMcIntosh? I would TRY Nordost or Ansuz. But if you want your 275's to sound like 601's....uhhhhmmm....sell the 275's and buy 601's. The vocals on my 2500/601 combo is superb. 3D.


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Oooooo! I don't know Mike. I was told to do that before but I think the 275 are special in many ways. Perhaps I will buy 601 but keep the 275s also.

Mike
April 8, 2014, 08:12 PM
Where's Paul (BlueMcIntosh)? He will know.


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M2wason
April 9, 2014, 12:12 PM
Update: I did pulled the trigger and bought the Crysta Clear Audio (Magnum Opus) speaker cable that are made of 99.9999% 6N's. These cable are nothing like or close to being "bright" as most people experience. Crystal Clear Audio is right, it's the quality of the silver conductor that makes the difference. Some company claims a 100% silver conductor where it's actually just a silver plated over copper. Anyway, my sound just got cleaner as in clearer, the bass got much better, and soundstage seems like wider and deeper and these are right off the box, they said it will get better and better while it's breaking-in. Here's their web site: Cables Service 4 (http://crystalclearaudio.com/serv04.htm)